I think Kirk Cousins can do it......

@"StickyBun" said: The right team, right situation. I think that might be the 2021 Vikings. He's a very good QB. I see a mini-window this year and next, no Super Bowl its Kellen Mond time 2 years from now potentially.

Cousins is good enough. We need a run and some luck. I like the next two years. 

Considering how many pending free agents we have,  and how even moderate success on offense could have us looking for a new OC once again,  I say its this year or bust.

Oh great, the annual @StickyBun kiss of death, thanks bro…!
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@"Kentis" said: Oh great, the annual @StickyBun kiss of death, thanks bro…!  ;)  B)

lol, like death and taxes!  :p

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The right team, right situation. I think that might be the 2021 Vikings. He's a very good QB. I see a mini-window this year and next, no Super Bowl its Kellen Mond time 2 years from now potentially.

Cousins is good enough. We need a run and some luck. I like the next two years. 

Considering how many pending free agents we have,  and how even moderate success on offense could have us looking for a new OC once again,  I say its this year or bust.

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The right team, right situation. I think that might be the 2021 Vikings. He's a very good QB. I see a mini-window this year and next, no Super Bowl its Kellen Mond time 2 years from now potentially.

Cousins is good enough. We need a run and some luck. I like the next two years. 

Considering how many pending free agents we have,  and how even moderate success on offense could have us looking for a new OC once again,  I say its this year or bust.

Odd comment considering the Vikings have the 2nd youngest roster in the NFL.

That's one of the fascinating things about what the Vikings have done. Right under the nose of all the folks clamoring to tear it all down and rebuild, the Vikings have already done it. They've rebuilt this team. Defensive line rebuilt and young. Offensive line completely rebuilt and the youngest OL in the NFL. Starting RB is 25. Starting TE is 22. Best WR is 22. DB room and now even the QB room a good mix of veteran and youth. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The right team, right situation. I think that might be the 2021 Vikings. He's a very good QB. I see a mini-window this year and next, no Super Bowl its Kellen Mond time 2 years from now potentially.

Cousins is good enough. We need a run and some luck. I like the next two years. 

Considering how many pending free agents we have,  and how even moderate success on offense could have us looking for a new OC once again,  I say its this year or bust.

Odd comment considering the Vikings have the 2nd youngest roster in the NFL.

That's one of the fascinating things about what the Vikings have done. Right under the nose of all the folks clamoring to tear it all down and rebuild, the Vikings have already done it. They've rebuilt this team. Defensive line rebuilt and young. Offensive line completely rebuilt and the youngest OL in the NFL. Starting RB is 25. Starting TE is 22. Best WR is 22. DB room and now even the QB room a good mix of veteran and youth. 

Mond is an unknown,  Cousins is on a 2 year deal and if by chance we do have a good offensive year there is that already mentioned possibility of losing young Kubiak and having to start again with a new OC and possibly a new system,  which would likely set the O back thus cresting the possibility of kirks last year being a down year.   I dont see the Vikings making him a top tier contract guy again so that would be the start of the Mond Era so we are back to that being an unknown. 

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The right team, right situation. I think that might be the 2021 Vikings. He's a very good QB. I see a mini-window this year and next, no Super Bowl its Kellen Mond time 2 years from now potentially.

Cousins is good enough. We need a run and some luck. I like the next two years. 

Considering how many pending free agents we have,  and how even moderate success on offense could have us looking for a new OC once again,  I say its this year or bust.

Odd comment considering the Vikings have the 2nd youngest roster in the NFL.

That's one of the fascinating things about what the Vikings have done. Right under the nose of all the folks clamoring to tear it all down and rebuild, the Vikings have already done it. They've rebuilt this team. Defensive line rebuilt and young. Offensive line completely rebuilt and the youngest OL in the NFL. Starting RB is 25. Starting TE is 22. Best WR is 22. DB room and now even the QB room a good mix of veteran and youth. 

Mond is an unknown,  Cousins is on a 2 year deal and if by chance we do have a good offensive year there is that already mentioned possibility of losing young Kubiak and having to start again with a new OC and possibly a new system,  which would likely set the O back thus cresting the possibility of kirks last year being a down year.   I dont see the Vikings making him a top tier contract guy again so that would be the start of the Mond Era so we are back to that being an unknown. 

I have no doubt that Cousins can do his part, but there's a ton of other parts involved.

Arguably, this team could be the best Vikings team ever...IF the OL additions gel quickly, IF the defense plays up to its potential, IF the ST's improve markedly, and IF the coaches improve as much as the OL needs to.

With a lot of pending contracts after this year, as mentioned above, it'd be a helluva trick to match the bunch we have now.

So, this could be the team that breaks the curse, that outscores the 98 team, that out-hustles the 09 team.  This could be the team that makes the Cousins Hate Club put down their chewed crayons and close up shop, the team that quits shooting itself in both feet...which would be a good idea anyway, ammunition is really pricey right now.

I don't claim to know whether the team can be all of that, but on paper...it could be this team.

If our D resumes allowing < 20 points/game I like our chances a lot…!  B) 

@JimmyinSD "Mond is an unknown,  Cousins is on a 2 year deal and if by chance we do have a good offensive year there is that already mentioned possibility of losing young Kubiak and having to start again with a new OC and possibly a new system,  which would likely set the O back thus cresting the possibility of kirks last year being a down year.   I dont see the Vikings making him a top tier contract guy again so that would be the start of the Mond Era so we are back to that being an unknown. "

We could easily lose Kubiak. In fact, I suspect we will. But as many of us have mentioned, the players make the OC. Just hire the next guy up who will run the same offense. Janocko? McCardell? Polamalu?

I know many see Mond as the future. I see him more as hedging our bets. If Cousins has the kind of year I expect him to have, I think the Vikings will extend him again, creating even more time for Mond. And more cap space, extending our window. And the potential for a big trade down the road, for either Cousins or Mond.

Keep in mind that Cousins is only 32 and he's one of those QBs who's never hurt. Those guys tend to play a long long time. Favre played until 41, Brees 42, etc. Brady is 11 years older than Kirk Cousins, meaning we could feasibly see Cousins running out the tunnel in the year 2032. Skol. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

I know many see Mond as the future. I see him more as hedging our bets. If Cousins has the kind of year I expect him to have, I think the Vikings will extend him again, creating even more time for Mond. And more cap space, extending our window. And the potential for a big trade down the road, for either Cousins or Mond.

Keep in mind that Cousins is only 32 and he's one of those QBs who's never hurt. Those guys tend to play a long long time. Favre played until 41, Brees 42, etc. Brady is 11 years older than Kirk Cousins, meaning we could feasibly see Cousins running out the tunnel in the year 2032. Skol. 

Agreed. There's no way the Vikings aren't going extend Cousins if he has a great year. The team likes him a lot more than most fans and rightly so. I'm all about whomever the next QB is that starts for Minnesota being more toward the 'modern' prototype (Mond, Murray, Wilson, Jackson, Mahomes, Fields, etc.) but they'll have to unseat Cousins in a real way. That might be very hard to do. 

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

I know many see Mond as the future. I see him more as hedging our bets. If Cousins has the kind of year I expect him to have, I think the Vikings will extend him again, creating even more time for Mond. And more cap space, extending our window. And the potential for a big trade down the road, for either Cousins or Mond.

Keep in mind that Cousins is only 32 and he's one of those QBs who's never hurt. Those guys tend to play a long long time. Favre played until 41, Brees 42, etc. Brady is 11 years older than Kirk Cousins, meaning we could feasibly see Cousins running out the tunnel in the year 2032. Skol. 

Agreed. There's no way the Vikings aren't going extend Cousins if he has a great year. The team likes him a lot more than most fans and rightly so. I'm all about whomever the next QB is that starts for Minnesota being more toward the 'modern' prototype (Mond, Murray, Wilson, Jackson, Mahomes, Fields, etc.) but they'll have to unseat Cousins in a real way. That might be very hard to do. 

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

I know many see Mond as the future. I see him more as hedging our bets. If Cousins has the kind of year I expect him to have, I think the Vikings will extend him again, creating even more time for Mond. And more cap space, extending our window. And the potential for a big trade down the road, for either Cousins or Mond.

Keep in mind that Cousins is only 32 and he's one of those QBs who's never hurt. Those guys tend to play a long long time. Favre played until 41, Brees 42, etc. Brady is 11 years older than Kirk Cousins, meaning we could feasibly see Cousins running out the tunnel in the year 2032. Skol. 

Agreed. There's no way the Vikings aren't going extend Cousins if he has a great year. The team likes him a lot more than most fans and rightly so. I'm all about whomever the next QB is that starts for Minnesota being more toward the 'modern' prototype (Mond, Murray, Wilson, Jackson, Mahomes, Fields, etc.) but they'll have to unseat Cousins in a real way. That might be very hard to do. 

But, at some point the team has to look at the increasing percentage that KC takes up against the cap & say get me off of this Merry Go Round.

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

I know many see Mond as the future. I see him more as hedging our bets. If Cousins has the kind of year I expect him to have, I think the Vikings will extend him again, creating even more time for Mond. And more cap space, extending our window. And the potential for a big trade down the road, for either Cousins or Mond.

Keep in mind that Cousins is only 32 and he's one of those QBs who's never hurt. Those guys tend to play a long long time. Favre played until 41, Brees 42, etc. Brady is 11 years older than Kirk Cousins, meaning we could feasibly see Cousins running out the tunnel in the year 2032. Skol. 

Agreed. There's no way the Vikings aren't going extend Cousins if he has a great year. The team likes him a lot more than most fans and rightly so. I'm all about whomever the next QB is that starts for Minnesota being more toward the 'modern' prototype (Mond, Murray, Wilson, Jackson, Mahomes, Fields, etc.) but they'll have to unseat Cousins in a real way. That might be very hard to do. 

But, at some point the team has to look at the increasing percentage that KC takes up against the cap & say get me off of this Merry Go Round.

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

I know many see Mond as the future. I see him more as hedging our bets. If Cousins has the kind of year I expect him to have, I think the Vikings will extend him again, creating even more time for Mond. And more cap space, extending our window. And the potential for a big trade down the road, for either Cousins or Mond.

Keep in mind that Cousins is only 32 and he's one of those QBs who's never hurt. Those guys tend to play a long long time. Favre played until 41, Brees 42, etc. Brady is 11 years older than Kirk Cousins, meaning we could feasibly see Cousins running out the tunnel in the year 2032. Skol. 

Agreed. There's no way the Vikings aren't going extend Cousins if he has a great year. The team likes him a lot more than most fans and rightly so. I'm all about whomever the next QB is that starts for Minnesota being more toward the 'modern' prototype (Mond, Murray, Wilson, Jackson, Mahomes, Fields, etc.) but they'll have to unseat Cousins in a real way. That might be very hard to do. 

But, at some point the team has to look at the increasing percentage that KC takes up against the cap & say get me off of this Merry Go Round.

Cousins cap hit is #7 in the NFL for QBs in 2021. Here's what I'd say: can you blame him for anything last season? I can't. Is he a top 10 NFL QB? I'd say absolutely. Is he perfect? Nope. He's not going anywhere for 2 years for sure, I say that's certainly enough time to find more out about him AND see what they have in Mond. Hell, draft another QB in next year's draft too. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said:

@"StickyBun" said: The right team, right situation. I think that might be the 2021 Vikings. He's a very good QB. I see a mini-window this year and next, no Super Bowl its Kellen Mond time 2 years from now potentially.

Cousins is good enough. We need a run and some luck. I like the next two years. 

Considering how many pending free agents we have,  and how even moderate success on offense could have us looking for a new OC once again,  I say its this year or bust.

Odd comment considering the Vikings have the 2nd youngest roster in the NFL.

That's one of the fascinating things about what the Vikings have done. Right under the nose of all the folks clamoring to tear it all down and rebuild, the Vikings have already done it. They've rebuilt this team. Defensive line rebuilt and young. Offensive line completely rebuilt and the youngest OL in the NFL. Starting RB is 25. Starting TE is 22. Best WR is 22. DB room and now even the QB room a good mix of veteran and youth. 

@"Wetlander" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"StickyBun" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

I know many see Mond as the future. I see him more as hedging our bets. If Cousins has the kind of year I expect him to have, I think the Vikings will extend him again, creating even more time for Mond. And more cap space, extending our window. And the potential for a big trade down the road, for either Cousins or Mond.

Keep in mind that Cousins is only 32 and he's one of those QBs who's never hurt. Those guys tend to play a long long time. Favre played until 41, Brees 42, etc. Brady is 11 years older than Kirk Cousins, meaning we could feasibly see Cousins running out the tunnel in the year 2032. Skol. 

Agreed. There's no way the Vikings aren't going extend Cousins if he has a great year. The team likes him a lot more than most fans and rightly so. I'm all about whomever the next QB is that starts for Minnesota being more toward the 'modern' prototype (Mond, Murray, Wilson, Jackson, Mahomes, Fields, etc.) but they'll have to unseat Cousins in a real way. That might be very hard to do. 

But, at some point the team has to look at the increasing percentage that KC takes up against the cap & say get me off of this Merry Go Round.

Cousins cap hit is #7 in the NFL for QBs in 2021. Here's what I'd say: can you blame him for anything last season? I can't. Is he a top 10 NFL QB? I'd say absolutely. Is he perfect? Nope. He's not going anywhere for 2 years for sure, I say that's certainly enough time to find more out about him AND see what they have in Mond. Hell, draft another QB in next year's draft too. 

His year end stats looked good, but most came after we were 1-5.  If you look at how he played in the first 6 games, his 10+ turnovers sure played a role in that poor start.

We've had this discussion ad nauseum, Maroon.  :-)

I'll just say, we'll see what happens.  Sticky, don't mark me down in the "I believe" column if you're keeping track. :-P