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@"VikeMike52" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: not to be that guy.... but who else is not expecting much from Cleveland at LG? its been the achilles heel of this unit since Hutch played there, no matter who they tried there its been a bust. personally I was hoping they would at least try Davis at LG and then switch them if he struggles to pick it up. Cleveland will be the best LG we've had since Hutch. That's not a hot take.A first round LT prospect who dropped to the 2nd round, and pretty good PFF grades from last season, Cleveland has a far better chance to succeed there than any of the series of clowns we've had there since Hutch.
Hard to say that: he was very inconsistent last year. I'm not ready at all to dump on him, but he got shoved around for a big kid. My luke warm take is I don't feel confident he'll improve greatly.
Everything I've heard is that he played very well for a rookies thrust into the starting line up while changing positions. I don't see how going back to his natural side won't help him.
The simplest and best explanation I've heard for the difficulty of changing sides: "If you're right handed, trying wiping with your left hand".Disclaimer: I don't recommend this nor while I be responsible if you try. Wiper be ware.
@"BarrNone55" said:@"VikeMike52" said:@"StickyBun" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: not to be that guy.... but who else is not expecting much from Cleveland at LG? its been the achilles heel of this unit since Hutch played there, no matter who they tried there its been a bust. personally I was hoping they would at least try Davis at LG and then switch them if he struggles to pick it up. Cleveland will be the best LG we've had since Hutch. That's not a hot take.A first round LT prospect who dropped to the 2nd round, and pretty good PFF grades from last season, Cleveland has a far better chance to succeed there than any of the series of clowns we've had there since Hutch.
Hard to say that: he was very inconsistent last year. I'm not ready at all to dump on him, but he got shoved around for a big kid. My luke warm take is I don't feel confident he'll improve greatly.
Everything I've heard is that he played very well for a rookies thrust into the starting line up while changing positions. I don't see how going back to his natural side won't help him.
The simplest and best explanation I've heard for the difficulty of changing sides: "If you're right handed, trying wiping with your left hand".Disclaimer: I don't recommend this nor while I be responsible if you try. Wiper be ware.
Ive never heard that one, but it puts it pretty accurately, so many think that because some players make that transition that everyone should be able to.... I can write my name with either hand, but one is certainly more legible than the other and we are talking about expecting them to perform at the highest level at a foreign position.
@"BarrNone55" said:Ezra Cleveland, who trained as the 2nd team left guard in camp and started 9 games at right guard out of necessity, should move back to left guard with Davis playing at right.I expect the OL to be (L to R) Darrisaw - Cleveland - Bradbury - Davis - O'Neill
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@"greediron" said:@"BarrNone55" said: https://twitter.com/i/status/1389792069284102146GTFOH
Didn't one of out guards try that recently? with much less success?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1395093101946056704
@"BarrNone55" said:@"greediron" said:@"BarrNone55" said: https://twitter.com/i/status/1389792069284102146GTFOH
Didn't one of out guards try that recently? with much less success?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1395093101946056704
I'm not sure if I want to laugh, cry, or weep because he's still on the team. Only way to go is up, I suppose.
@"pattersaur" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"greediron" said:@"BarrNone55" said: https://twitter.com/i/status/1389792069284102146GTFOH
Didn't one of out guards try that recently? with much less success?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1395093101946056704
I'm not sure if I want to laugh, cry, or weep because he's still on the team. Only way to go is up, I suppose.That’s Remmers, go ahead & laugh…! =)
@"Kentis" said:@"pattersaur" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"greediron" said:@"BarrNone55" said: https://twitter.com/i/status/1389792069284102146GTFOH
Didn't one of out guards try that recently? with much less success?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1395093101946056704
I'm not sure if I want to laugh, cry, or weep because he's still on the team. Only way to go is up, I suppose.That’s Remmers, go ahead & laugh…! =)
You're right! I thought it was Dozier! =)
@"pattersaur" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"greediron" said:@"BarrNone55" said: https://twitter.com/i/status/1389792069284102146GTFOH
Didn't one of out guards try that recently? with much less success?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1395093101946056704
I'm not sure if I want to laugh, cry, or weep because he's still on the team. Only way to go is up, I suppose.
To be fair, he admitted it and that he thought a screen was called. So it was just a mistake, not an actual attempt to take out his QBUnlike Dozier who tackled Cousins after he whiffed on his block.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"JimmyinSD" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: not to be that guy.... but who else is not expecting much from Cleveland at LG? its been the achilles heel of this unit since Hutch played there, no matter who they tried there its been a bust. personally I was hoping they would at least try Davis at LG and then switch them if he struggles to pick it up. Cleveland will be the best LG we've had since Hutch. That's not a hot take.A first round LT prospect who dropped to the 2nd round, and pretty good PFF grades from last season, Cleveland has a far better chance to succeed there than any of the series of clowns we've had there since Hutch.
actually wasnt his PFF grades not that great? like lower 1/4 of those in his group? i remember seeing his grades and thinking that I thought he was better than the was graded.
LIke most rookies, he was up and down. Did well run blocking and not so well pass blocking. His overall grade was 66.2. Actually that's a pretty good mark for a rookie, playing right guard for the first time in his life.I looked at the PFF grades of all the OLs we considered in free agency, from Joe Thuney and Forrest Lamp to Austin Blythe, Lane Taylor and Eric Fisher. Their first few years vary between OK and awful.
Cleveland's overall rookie grade at RG was better than all of them including Thuney. I think Ezra's got a bright future, especially on the left side. But we'll see.
Thanks for bringing some perspective to this, Maroon. I'm high on Cleveland this year, especially now that he'll be on his natural side and hopefully added some strength this off-season.Ezra was a good run blocker last year, I'm pretty sure Dalvin had monster numbers running inside and outside to the right last season. Running to the left was another story... I'll see if I can find the stats, but Cleveland and O'Neill really opened some holes for Dalvin last season.
The main issue I saw with Cleveland in pass pro was he was playing RG like a LT. Instead of keeping his shoulders square and anchoring, he would give up his outside shoulder and try to ride a guy out just like he would do at tackle. If cleans that up, he'll be fine.
As far as Davis, I'm always a fan of keeping guys on the same side as where they excelled in college when it comes to the OL. If we want immediate returns from these young guys, keep Davis at RG and put Cleveland back on the left and let's roll.
It's nice to finally have an OL that I can be excited about. There will be some challenges with such a young line, but the raw talent is there and I think their efforts to add some size will make it harder for teams to overpower them like they did last year. I really hope that Bradbury can make a big jump this season.
My question is: does Rico know how to coach up pass blocking…? :o I’ll give him an incomplete at this point, although I’ll have to dock his grade based on the acquisition & continued employment of Dozier… :s
@"Kentis" said: My question is: does Rico know how to coach up pass blocking…? :o ’ll give him an incomplete at this point, although I’ll have to dock his grade based on the acquisition & continued employment of Dozier… :sJefferson behind Bisi (aka Cris Carter lite per some) Cleveland behind Samia
Aint just Dennison.
@"BarrNone55" said:@"Kentis" said: My question is: does Rico know how to coach up pass blocking…? :o ’ll give him an incomplete at this point, although I’ll have to dock his grade based on the acquisition & continued employment of Dozier… :s Jefferson behind Bisi (aka Cris Carter lite per some) Cleveland behind SamiaAint just Dennison.
Agreed! :s
@"BarrNone55" said:@"Kentis" said: My question is: does Rico know how to coach up pass blocking…? :o ’ll give him an incomplete at this point, although I’ll have to dock his grade based on the acquisition & continued employment of Dozier… :s Jefferson behind Bisi (aka Cris Carter lite per some) Cleveland behind SamiaAint just Dennison.
Diggs riding pine for 3 weeks until 2 WR injuries forced Zimmer to play him.Pretty much anyone with a brain thinks Wyatt Davis should start week 1 over Dozier. Then there's Zimmer and rookies :#
@"RS Express" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"Kentis" said: My question is: does Rico know how to coach up pass blocking…? :o ’ll give him an incomplete at this point, although I’ll have to dock his grade based on the acquisition & continued employment of Dozier… :s Jefferson behind Bisi (aka Cris Carter lite per some) Cleveland behind SamiaAint just Dennison.
Diggs riding pine for 3 weeks until 2 WR injuries forced Zimmer to play him.Pretty much anyone with a brain thinks Wyatt Davis should start week 1 over Dozier. Then there's Zimmer and rookies :#
It's not Dozier he's competing with. It's more likely Cole. Still, I think the most likely situation is Cleveland at LG, with Cole backing up there and also at center. With Davis starting at RG. But if Davis struggles early, I could see Cole moving there. Samia could also be a factor in his 3rd season. If his light doesn't come on this year, it won't.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"RS Express" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"Kentis" said: My question is: does Rico know how to coach up pass blocking…? :o ’ll give him an incomplete at this point, although I’ll have to dock his grade based on the acquisition & continued employment of Dozier… :s Jefferson behind Bisi (aka Cris Carter lite per some) Cleveland behind SamiaAint just Dennison.
Diggs riding pine for 3 weeks until 2 WR injuries forced Zimmer to play him.Pretty much anyone with a brain thinks Wyatt Davis should start week 1 over Dozier. Then there's Zimmer and rookies :#
It's not Dozier he's competing with. It's more likely Cole. Still, I think the most likely situation is Cleveland at LG, with Cole backing up there and also at center. With Davis starting at RG. But if Davis struggles early, I could see Cole moving there. Samia could also be a factor in his 3rd season. If his light doesn't come on this year, it won't.
Samia better not be a factor. Same goes for Dozier. If the coaching staff thinks the OL shouldnt be Darrisaw, Cleveland, Bradybury, Davis, and O'Neill then they need to host a press conference for fans to come ask directly wtf they are thinking.
@"Hawkvike25" said:You're making a lot of assumptions that rookies are just going to come in and be great right away. Doesn't always happen.@"MaroonBells" said:@"RS Express" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"Kentis" said: My question is: does Rico know how to coach up pass blocking…? :o ’ll give him an incomplete at this point, although I’ll have to dock his grade based on the acquisition & continued employment of Dozier… :s Jefferson behind Bisi (aka Cris Carter lite per some) Cleveland behind SamiaAint just Dennison.
Diggs riding pine for 3 weeks until 2 WR injuries forced Zimmer to play him.Pretty much anyone with a brain thinks Wyatt Davis should start week 1 over Dozier. Then there's Zimmer and rookies :#
It's not Dozier he's competing with. It's more likely Cole. Still, I think the most likely situation is Cleveland at LG, with Cole backing up there and also at center. With Davis starting at RG. But if Davis struggles early, I could see Cole moving there. Samia could also be a factor in his 3rd season. If his light doesn't come on this year, it won't.
Samia better not be a factor. Same goes for Dozier. If the coaching staff thinks the OL shouldnt be Darrisaw, Cleveland, Bradybury, Davis, and O'Neill then they need to host a press conference for fans to come ask directly wtf they are thinking.I've said this about six times now but I'll say it again. When we were shopping for free agent OLs (Fisher, Blythe, Taylor, Lamp, etc, etc) I checked out their PFF grades and nearly all of them graded poorly their first couple years in the NFL. I remember Korey Stringer didn't really get it until about his 4th or 5th season. It just takes time sometimes.
I think Samia, a 4th rounder going into his 3rd season, has a puncher's chance of competing for a role (pun fully intended). Cole and Hinton will be his biggest competition for a roster spot. Dozier's done in Minnesota. He's a 7 year veteran and, unlike Cole, Hinton and Samia, he has zero upside.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:You're making a lot of assumptions that rookies are just going to come in and be great right away. Doesn't always happen.@"MaroonBells" said:@"RS Express" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"Kentis" said: My question is: does Rico know how to coach up pass blocking…? :o ’ll give him an incomplete at this point, although I’ll have to dock his grade based on the acquisition & continued employment of Dozier… :s Jefferson behind Bisi (aka Cris Carter lite per some) Cleveland behind SamiaAint just Dennison.
Diggs riding pine for 3 weeks until 2 WR injuries forced Zimmer to play him.Pretty much anyone with a brain thinks Wyatt Davis should start week 1 over Dozier. Then there's Zimmer and rookies :#
It's not Dozier he's competing with. It's more likely Cole. Still, I think the most likely situation is Cleveland at LG, with Cole backing up there and also at center. With Davis starting at RG. But if Davis struggles early, I could see Cole moving there. Samia could also be a factor in his 3rd season. If his light doesn't come on this year, it won't.
Samia better not be a factor. Same goes for Dozier. If the coaching staff thinks the OL shouldnt be Darrisaw, Cleveland, Bradybury, Davis, and O'Neill then they need to host a press conference for fans to come ask directly wtf they are thinking.I've said this about six times now but I'll say it again. When we were shopping for free agent OLs (Fisher, Blythe, Taylor, Lamp, etc, etc) I checked out their PFF grades and nearly all of them graded poorly their first couple years in the NFL. I remember Korey Stringer didn't really get it until about his 4th or 5th season. It just takes time sometimes.
I think Samia, a 4th rounder going into his 3rd season, has a puncher's chance of competing for a role (pun fully intended). Cole and Hinton will be his biggest competition for a roster spot. Dozier's done in Minnesota. He's a 7 year veteran and, unlike Cole, Hinton and Samia, he has zero upside.
I think it is the same with Diggs, Jefferson, Cleveland. Especially last year, did anyone here really think Jefferson was going to explode like he did, with no offseason? Is it that unrealistic to think a rookie with no on field experience should be behind a vet to start the year?Diggs has shown many reasons that could have lead to him not being in the starting line up. He has talent, but the attitude is always a issue.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:You're making a lot of assumptions that rookies are just going to come in and be great right away. Doesn't always happen.@"MaroonBells" said:@"RS Express" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"Kentis" said: My question is: does Rico know how to coach up pass blocking…? :o ’ll give him an incomplete at this point, although I’ll have to dock his grade based on the acquisition & continued employment of Dozier… :s Jefferson behind Bisi (aka Cris Carter lite per some) Cleveland behind SamiaAint just Dennison.
Diggs riding pine for 3 weeks until 2 WR injuries forced Zimmer to play him.Pretty much anyone with a brain thinks Wyatt Davis should start week 1 over Dozier. Then there's Zimmer and rookies :#
It's not Dozier he's competing with. It's more likely Cole. Still, I think the most likely situation is Cleveland at LG, with Cole backing up there and also at center. With Davis starting at RG. But if Davis struggles early, I could see Cole moving there. Samia could also be a factor in his 3rd season. If his light doesn't come on this year, it won't.
Samia better not be a factor. Same goes for Dozier. If the coaching staff thinks the OL shouldnt be Darrisaw, Cleveland, Bradybury, Davis, and O'Neill then they need to host a press conference for fans to come ask directly wtf they are thinking.I've said this about six times now but I'll say it again. When we were shopping for free agent OLs (Fisher, Blythe, Taylor, Lamp, etc, etc) I checked out their PFF grades and nearly all of them graded poorly their first couple years in the NFL. I remember Korey Stringer didn't really get it until about his 4th or 5th season. It just takes time sometimes.
I think Samia, a 4th rounder going into his 3rd season, has a puncher's chance of competing for a role (pun fully intended). Cole and Hinton will be his biggest competition for a roster spot. Dozier's done in Minnesota. He's a 7 year veteran and, unlike Cole, Hinton and Samia, he has zero upside.
I am making zero assumptions that the rookies are going to come in and be great. I'm making an assumption that they come in and dont totally suck so much ass that our QB can actually complete a 5 step dropback without having two DL in his face.
@"Hawkvike25" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"Hawkvike25" said:You're making a lot of assumptions that rookies are just going to come in and be great right away. Doesn't always happen.@"MaroonBells" said:@"RS Express" said:@"BarrNone55" said:@"Kentis" said: My question is: does Rico know how to coach up pass blocking…? :o ’ll give him an incomplete at this point, although I’ll have to dock his grade based on the acquisition & continued employment of Dozier… :s Jefferson behind Bisi (aka Cris Carter lite per some) Cleveland behind SamiaAint just Dennison.
Diggs riding pine for 3 weeks until 2 WR injuries forced Zimmer to play him.Pretty much anyone with a brain thinks Wyatt Davis should start week 1 over Dozier. Then there's Zimmer and rookies :#
It's not Dozier he's competing with. It's more likely Cole. Still, I think the most likely situation is Cleveland at LG, with Cole backing up there and also at center. With Davis starting at RG. But if Davis struggles early, I could see Cole moving there. Samia could also be a factor in his 3rd season. If his light doesn't come on this year, it won't.
Samia better not be a factor. Same goes for Dozier. If the coaching staff thinks the OL shouldnt be Darrisaw, Cleveland, Bradybury, Davis, and O'Neill then they need to host a press conference for fans to come ask directly wtf they are thinking.I've said this about six times now but I'll say it again. When we were shopping for free agent OLs (Fisher, Blythe, Taylor, Lamp, etc, etc) I checked out their PFF grades and nearly all of them graded poorly their first couple years in the NFL. I remember Korey Stringer didn't really get it until about his 4th or 5th season. It just takes time sometimes.
I think Samia, a 4th rounder going into his 3rd season, has a puncher's chance of competing for a role (pun fully intended). Cole and Hinton will be his biggest competition for a roster spot. Dozier's done in Minnesota. He's a 7 year veteran and, unlike Cole, Hinton and Samia, he has zero upside.
I am making zero assumptions that the rookies are going to come in and be great. I'm making an assumption that they come in and dont totally suck so much ass that our QB can actually complete a 5 step dropback without having two DL in his face.
And that day, my friend, is a day we will all rejoice. I tend to think we'll be better off starting the aforementioned line simply because while Darrisaw and Davis might actually struggle more early on than would, say, Hill and Cole, this will be a better line in week 18 having put them through their paces. Wait, that's a bye week. Week 19.
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