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If This Moved Lance To #14

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NBC Sports' Peter King said he wouldn't be surprised if Alabama's Mac Jones was drafted before North Dakota State's Trey Lance. King cited a source from a QB-needy NFL team who said Lance's lack of recent play -- he's played one game in the past 414 days -- makes him an iffy selection as a top-10 pick. North Dakota State canceled its 2020 season amid the COVID-19 pandemic. “He’s a guy we all needed to see more of, for a lot of reasons,” the source told King. Lance in 2019 rushed for 1,100 yards and 14 touchdowns while completing 66.9 percent of his passes for 2,786 yards and 28 touchdowns. His dual-threat potential would seem to fit perfectly for NFL teams looking to emulate the success of teams quarterbacked by hyper-athletic passers, but Lance's dearth of experience could scare off a number of teams in this spring's draft.  RELATED: 
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I still wouldn't scream bloody murder if we took him.

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I saw this. My first thought is that it's smoke. I think it was Daniel Jeremiah who said that NFL teams are still very high on Lance. Higher than most people think. My TV and my cat would both survive a Lance pick at 14. 

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King is a noted dumbass when it comes to the Draft. Seriously, look at his history over the years with 'inside information' about the NFL Draft. Its hilariously bad. I think he makes shit up. 

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Yeah, I take whatever King says with a grain of salt. I know DJ is extremely high on Lance. If the Vikings took him I wouldn't be upset.

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No way Rick picks a first round QB. His focus will be adding a player that can contribute immediately. Then, he'll state as he always does, that they stayed true to their board & selected their highest ranked player.

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with the combine being cancelled and the draft months away I wonder if it wasnt a mistake for Lance to declare so early.  his Bison just started a spring season this past weekend which would have allowed him to put some fresh tape together prior to the draft.  

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@"JimmyinSD" said: with the combine being cancelled and the draft months away I wonder if it wasnt a mistake for Lance to declare so early.  his Bison just started a spring season this past weekend which would have allowed him to put some fresh tape together prior to the draft.  

If he's going go go in the top half of the first round he's probably just fine.  It seems the QBs who have the most success go to teams who already have a team around them and getting picked in the middle to bottom of the 1st is probably a blessing in disguise. 

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Do I think the Vikings would consider a QB at #14? Yes. But that is kind of like asking if they would take Sharrif Floyd if he dropped into the early 20's. At some point you pivot. 

Personal opinion is that if the Vikings take a QB in round 1 it'll be Fields and they'd pass on Lance and or Mac Jones. People are too harshly criticizing Fields ability to read progressions when the OSU offense doesn't expect him to. He needs at least a year to sit but if he ends up in the right spot he should still end up being the 2nd best QB in the draft class. 

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@"Geoff Nichols" said: Do I think the Vikings would consider a QB at #14? Yes. But that is kind of like asking if they would take Sharrif Floyd if he dropped into the early 20's. At some point you pivot. 

Personal opinion is that if the Vikings take a QB in round 1 it'll be Fields and they'd pass on Lance and or Mac Jones. People are too harshly criticizing Fields ability to read progressions when the OSU offense doesn't expect him to. He needs at least a year to sit but if he ends up in the right spot he should still end up being the 2nd best QB in the draft class. 


Wha is it about Fields that made you form that opinion? Does he have a lot of fans inside the building?

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Fields scares the crap out of me. If the dogs were sound asleep before that pick, they wouldn't be afterwards.

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@"PurpleCrush" said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said: Do I think the Vikings would consider a QB at #14? Yes. But that is kind of like asking if they would take Sharrif Floyd if he dropped into the early 20's. At some point you pivot. 

Personal opinion is that if the Vikings take a QB in round 1 it'll be Fields and they'd pass on Lance and or Mac Jones. People are too harshly criticizing Fields ability to read progressions when the OSU offense doesn't expect him to. He needs at least a year to sit but if he ends up in the right spot he should still end up being the 2nd best QB in the draft class. 


Wha is it about Fields that made you form that opinion? Does he have a lot of fans inside the building?


Its my personal evaluation of Fields. If you project him outside of the OSU offense he looks much better. People are bagging on him for playing a role in an offense which isn't indicative of what he is actually capable of. 

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@"BarrNone55" said: Fields scares the crap out of me. If the dogs were sound asleep before that pick, they wouldn't be afterwards.
I get it, I'm out in left field on the evaluation. But people are too focused on Fields in the OSU offense. His issue is that the OSU offense gives a single read and schemes your target open. So when that doesn't work out, yeah you're going to look bad. When you have a strong gameplan he puts everything together. Look at his BCS Semi-Final tape vs. Clemson. If you put him in an offense with progressions it'll take time but I see zero reason he can't play at a high level in the NFL. 
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@"Geoff Nichols" said: Do I think the Vikings would consider a QB at #14? Yes. But that is kind of like asking if they would take Sharrif Floyd if he dropped into the early 20's. At some point you pivot. 

Personal opinion is that if the Vikings take a QB in round 1 it'll be Fields and they'd pass on Lance and or Mac Jones. People are too harshly criticizing Fields ability to read progressions when the OSU offense doesn't expect him to. He needs at least a year to sit but if he ends up in the right spot he should still end up being the 2nd best QB in the draft class. 


If the OSU offense does not require Fields to read progressions, then how do we know he has the ability to work through his progressions, which he will undoubtedly need to do in the NFL?  I thought that was a must have skill for NFL QBs?   
After seeing Haskins flop coming out of essentially a similar system, Fields seems like a very high risk pick to me. 

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@"Magnus10" said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said: Do I think the Vikings would consider a QB at #14? Yes. But that is kind of like asking if they would take Sharrif Floyd if he dropped into the early 20's. At some point you pivot. 

Personal opinion is that if the Vikings take a QB in round 1 it'll be Fields and they'd pass on Lance and or Mac Jones. People are too harshly criticizing Fields ability to read progressions when the OSU offense doesn't expect him to. He needs at least a year to sit but if he ends up in the right spot he should still end up being the 2nd best QB in the draft class. 


If the OSU offense does not require Fields to read progressions, then how do we know he has the ability to work through his progressions, which he will undoubtedly need to do in the NFL?  I thought that was a must have skill for NFL QBs?   
After seeing Haskins flop coming out of essentially a similar system, Fields seems like a very high risk pick to me. 


That's a fair question. As a freshman at Georgia he played well in a more pro-style system. So he hasn't had to develop those skills but he had them at that point. 

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"Magnus10" said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said: Do I think the Vikings would consider a QB at #14? Yes. But that is kind of like asking if they would take Sharrif Floyd if he dropped into the early 20's. At some point you pivot. 

Personal opinion is that if the Vikings take a QB in round 1 it'll be Fields and they'd pass on Lance and or Mac Jones. People are too harshly criticizing Fields ability to read progressions when the OSU offense doesn't expect him to. He needs at least a year to sit but if he ends up in the right spot he should still end up being the 2nd best QB in the draft class. 


If the OSU offense does not require Fields to read progressions, then how do we know he has the ability to work through his progressions, which he will undoubtedly need to do in the NFL?  I thought that was a must have skill for NFL QBs?   
After seeing Haskins flop coming out of essentially a similar system, Fields seems like a very high risk pick to me. 


That's a fair question. As a freshman at Georgia he played well in a more pro-style system. So he hasn't had to develop those skills but he had them at that point. 


That's a great point. But, man, when he comes off that first read, he's horrific. That stat is more damning than Mac Jones on off schedule throws, which isn't necessarily horrific but almost totally untested.

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It will be interesting. My gut says one of these top QBs is going to slide

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@"BarrNone55" said: Fields scares the crap out of me. If the dogs were sound asleep before that pick, they wouldn't be afterwards.
I get it, I'm out in left field on the evaluation. But people are too focused on Fields in the OSU offense. His issue is that the OSU offense gives a single read and schemes your target open. So when that doesn't work out, yeah you're going to look bad. When you have a strong gameplan he puts everything together. Look at his BCS Semi-Final tape vs. Clemson. If you put him in an offense with progressions it'll take time but I see zero reason he can't play at a high level in the NFL. 
I agree that Fields will be good, and he might be my favorite QB in the draft.  That Clemson game the guy was seriously hurt, but kept on getting up and zinging the ball.  He couldn't run away, so he was forced to move around in the pocket and make the downfield throws.  He stood tall and went 22 of 28 for 385 with 6 TDs.  Yeah, he played big in a game everyone was talking up Lawrence.  It won't happen, but I'd love for him to be the guy to fall to us.
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@"StickyBun" said: It will be interesting. My gut says one of these top QBs is going to slide
Honestly, I think 5 QBs being gone by 14 is more likely. 
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@"BarrNone55" said:
@"StickyBun" said: It will be interesting. My gut says one of these top QBs is going to slide
Honestly, I think 5 QBs being gone by 14 is more likely. 
Could be. The NFL loves to error on the side of picking these QBs earlier than they probably should, that's for sure.
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@"StickyBun" said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@"StickyBun" said: It will be interesting. My gut says one of these top QBs is going to slide
Honestly, I think 5 QBs being gone by 14 is more likely. 
Could be. The NFL loves to error on the side of picking these QBs earlier than they probably should, that's for sure.



And, it's worked so well for them.

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@"StickyBun" said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@"StickyBun" said: It will be interesting. My gut says one of these top QBs is going to slide
Honestly, I think 5 QBs being gone by 14 is more likely. 
Could be. The NFL loves to error on the side of picking these QBs earlier than they probably should, that's for sure.



fans are quicker to forget that you are the GM that passed on Tom Brady 6 times before they let go of the fact that you were the guy that took Christian Ponder 12th overall though....

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