Zeus Jr Wants Out of Baltimore

make it happen... and then... show Reiff the pictures of him in a compromising situation that we have so that he signs an extension for moderate money and agrees to kick inside to LG.... lets go!  Can anybody say contender?

Brown-Reiff-Bradburry-Cleveland-ONeil

Draft DT in the back end of the 1st, add a vet DT in FA (Short, Atkins, Suh), a DE in the 3rd

Rebuild the trenches, the young DBs evolve, the offense becomes more productive

Contender once again

@"JimmyinSD" said: make it happen... and then... show Reiff the pictures of him in a compromising situation that we have so that he signs an extension for moderate money and agrees to kick inside to LG.... lets go!  Can anybody say contender?

Kidding.  I like Reiff actually.  I think we keep him for another year, develop Cleveland for another year.

@"greediron" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: make it happen... and then... show Reiff the pictures of him in a compromising situation that we have so that he signs an extension for moderate money and agrees to kick inside to LG.... lets go!  Can anybody say contender?

these?

Kidding.  I like Reiff actually.  I think we keep him for another year, develop Cleveland for another year.

@"greediron" said:

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Of note, the Vikings are very involved on this. 

Oh? Do tell. 

I don't know what they've offered or if they've formally made an offer. But lets say the Vikings could offer #14 and send the Ravens back their 3rd #91 for #27 and Brown. That is a late 1st/early 2nd valuation and I think it honestly makes sense from the MN side. 

You trade back in the 1st which puts you in a better position to target a DT or DE. You add a premiere LT that is about to turn 25. It allows you to move on from Reiff now and save a net $8.5M or so once you add in Browns cap hit to the 2021 cap. 

Sure, you'll need to extend Brown on a long-term deal but that won't really impact the cap in 2021 and you can keep the 2022 number lower than a Reiff restructure as well. Then in 2023 you'd see the brunt of the extension. 

Not saying it'll happen but I can see why they'd be exploring it (as are many teams) I just know the Vikings are more serious than some. Brown/O'Neill would be a great OT combo for the next decade or so. 

Only issue that I see with this is having to extend both O'Neill & Brown in consecutive years. That's a lot of cap dedicated to your OT's. 

Yes and with both O'Neill and Cleveland being possible LTs, I don't know that adding a highly paid possible diva at LT is what this team needs.

@"Knucklehead" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Of note, the Vikings are very involved on this. 

Oh? Do tell. 

I don't know what they've offered or if they've formally made an offer. But lets say the Vikings could offer #14 and send the Ravens back their 3rd #91 for #27 and Brown. That is a late 1st/early 2nd valuation and I think it honestly makes sense from the MN side. 

You trade back in the 1st which puts you in a better position to target a DT or DE. You add a premiere LT that is about to turn 25. It allows you to move on from Reiff now and save a net $8.5M or so once you add in Browns cap hit to the 2021 cap. 

Sure, you'll need to extend Brown on a long-term deal but that won't really impact the cap in 2021 and you can keep the 2022 number lower than a Reiff restructure as well. Then in 2023 you'd see the brunt of the extension. 

Not saying it'll happen but I can see why they'd be exploring it (as are many teams) I just know the Vikings are more serious than some. Brown/O'Neill would be a great OT combo for the next decade or so. 

Only issue that I see with this is having to extend both O'Neill & Brown in consecutive years. That's a lot of cap dedicated to your OT's. 

@"BarrNone55" said: You know, just another case if Rick had listened to me in the first place.

Maybe try having the girl friend call Rick’s wife...!  B) 

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Of note, the Vikings are very involved on this. 

Oh? Do tell. 

I don't know what they've offered or if they've formally made an offer. But lets say the Vikings could offer #14 and send the Ravens back their 3rd #91 for #27 and Brown. That is a late 1st/early 2nd valuation and I think it honestly makes sense from the MN side. 

You trade back in the 1st which puts you in a better position to target a DT or DE. You add a premiere LT that is about to turn 25. It allows you to move on from Reiff now and save a net $8.5M or so once you add in Browns cap hit to the 2021 cap. 

Sure, you'll need to extend Brown on a long-term deal but that won't really impact the cap in 2021 and you can keep the 2022 number lower than a Reiff restructure as well. Then in 2023 you'd see the brunt of the extension. 

Not saying it'll happen but I can see why they'd be exploring it (as are many teams) I just know the Vikings are more serious than some. Brown/O'Neill would be a great OT combo for the next decade or so. 

Moves like a big bag of donuts out there by very effective 

He's a $20 cab ride to get around.

@"supafreak84" said: Orlando Brown Jr - Left Tackle Highlights - Top 20 Blocks of 2020 - YouTube

Moves like a big bag of donuts out there by very effective 

It's a good crop of offensive lineman though in this draft so teams could easily use that as leverage against the Ravens in any trade.  

1) Sign Atkins
2) make the Guru trade for Brown and the Ravens pick.  
3) Take best DE on the board end of 1st (Phillips?)

OL: Zeus-Reiff-Bradburry-Cleveland-O'Neil
DL: Hunter-Pierce-Atkins-1st Round rookie: Wonnum, Fedi, Lynch, Watts, Holmes

2021, no excuses

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Of note, the Vikings are very involved on this. 

Oh? Do tell. 

I don't know what they've offered or if they've formally made an offer. But lets say the Vikings could offer #14 and send the Ravens back their 3rd #91 for #27 and Brown. That is a late 1st/early 2nd valuation and I think it honestly makes sense from the MN side. 

You trade back in the 1st which puts you in a better position to target a DT or DE. You add a premiere LT that is about to turn 25. It allows you to move on from Reiff now and save a net $8.5M or so once you add in Browns cap hit to the 2021 cap. 

Sure, you'll need to extend Brown on a long-term deal but that won't really impact the cap in 2021 and you can keep the 2022 number lower than a Reiff restructure as well. Then in 2023 you'd see the brunt of the extension. 

Not saying it'll happen but I can see why they'd be exploring it (as are many teams) I just know the Vikings are more serious than some. Brown/O'Neill would be a great OT combo for the next decade or so. 

@"Jor-El" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Of note, the Vikings are very involved on this. 

Oh? Do tell. 

I don't know what they've offered or if they've formally made an offer. But lets say the Vikings could offer #14 and send the Ravens back their 3rd #91 for #27 and Brown. That is a late 1st/early 2nd valuation and I think it honestly makes sense from the MN side. 

You trade back in the 1st which puts you in a better position to target a DT or DE. You add a premiere LT that is about to turn 25. It allows you to move on from Reiff now and save a net $8.5M or so once you add in Browns cap hit to the 2021 cap. 

Sure, you'll need to extend Brown on a long-term deal but that won't really impact the cap in 2021 and you can keep the 2022 number lower than a Reiff restructure as well. Then in 2023 you'd see the brunt of the extension. 

Not saying it'll happen but I can see why they'd be exploring it (as are many teams) I just know the Vikings are more serious than some. Brown/O'Neill would be a great OT combo for the next decade or so. 

Everyone here likes this deal (our 1st (#14) and Ravens' 3rd (#91) for Brown and their 1st #27) - me included.

So, what if it's more like our 1st (#14) straight up for Brown? I think the trade of Laremy Tunsil less than 2 years ago is probably a better guide for the trade of a 25-year-old LT. There were other players within the deal, but none were significant, and the Dolphins received 2 #1s and a 2nd for Tunsil. Is Brown worth that much less (a trade up in round 1 and a 3rd) than Tunsil?

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Of note, the Vikings are very involved on this. 

Oh? Do tell. 

I don't know what they've offered or if they've formally made an offer. But lets say the Vikings could offer #14 and send the Ravens back their 3rd #91 for #27 and Brown. That is a late 1st/early 2nd valuation and I think it honestly makes sense from the MN side. 

You trade back in the 1st which puts you in a better position to target a DT or DE. You add a premiere LT that is about to turn 25. It allows you to move on from Reiff now and save a net $8.5M or so once you add in Browns cap hit to the 2021 cap. 

Sure, you'll need to extend Brown on a long-term deal but that won't really impact the cap in 2021 and you can keep the 2022 number lower than a Reiff restructure as well. Then in 2023 you'd see the brunt of the extension. 

Not saying it'll happen but I can see why they'd be exploring it (as are many teams) I just know the Vikings are more serious than some. Brown/O'Neill would be a great OT combo for the next decade or so. 

Everyone here likes this deal (our 1st (#14) and Ravens' 3rd (#91) for Brown and their 1st #27) - me included.

So, what if it's more like our 1st (#14) straight up for Brown? I think the trade of Laremy Tunsil less than 2 years ago is probably a better guide for the trade of a 25-year-old LT. There were other players within the deal, but none were significant, and the Dolphins received 2 #1s and a 2nd for Tunsil. Is Brown worth that much less (a trade up in round 1 and a 3rd) than Tunsil?

It is a different because Tunsil was entering his 4th year and had his 5th year option picked up which locked him in for 10.8M in 2020.
They got him for 2.14M in 2019 and 10.85M in 2020.
They gave him a 3 year extension in April of 2020 but those were added on to his 5th year.

Orlando Brown will be entering his 4th season (like O'Neill) and the only option would be to tag him if negotiations did not go well.
It is more of a risk especially with the cap situation this year and probably next year too.

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"Jor-El" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said: Of note, the Vikings are very involved on this. 

Oh? Do tell. 

I don't know what they've offered or if they've formally made an offer. But lets say the Vikings could offer #14 and send the Ravens back their 3rd #91 for #27 and Brown. That is a late 1st/early 2nd valuation and I think it honestly makes sense from the MN side. 

You trade back in the 1st which puts you in a better position to target a DT or DE. You add a premiere LT that is about to turn 25. It allows you to move on from Reiff now and save a net $8.5M or so once you add in Browns cap hit to the 2021 cap. 

Sure, you'll need to extend Brown on a long-term deal but that won't really impact the cap in 2021 and you can keep the 2022 number lower than a Reiff restructure as well. Then in 2023 you'd see the brunt of the extension. 

Not saying it'll happen but I can see why they'd be exploring it (as are many teams) I just know the Vikings are more serious than some. Brown/O'Neill would be a great OT combo for the next decade or so. 

Everyone here likes this deal (our 1st (#14) and Ravens' 3rd (#91) for Brown and their 1st #27) - me included.

So, what if it's more like our 1st (#14) straight up for Brown? I think the trade of Laremy Tunsil less than 2 years ago is probably a better guide for the trade of a 25-year-old LT. There were other players within the deal, but none were significant, and the Dolphins received 2 #1s and a 2nd for Tunsil. Is Brown worth that much less (a trade up in round 1 and a 3rd) than Tunsil?

It is a different because Tunsil was entering his 4th year and had his 5th year option picked up which locked him in for 10.8M in 2020.
They got him for 2.14M in 2019 and 10.85M in 2020.
They gave him a 3 year extension in April of 2020 but those were added on to his 5th year.

Orlando Brown will be entering his 4th season (like O'Neill) and the only option would be to tag him if negotiations did not go well.
It is more of a risk especially with the cap situation this year and probably next year too.

Brown also is the one who is pushing for this trade. Tunsil was not trying to work his way out of Miami. Bill O'Brien is also not involved. 

I heard that Baltimore inquired about Thielen in October. Would you trade Thielen and a pick for Brown?

@"Vikergirl" said: I heard that Baltimore inquired about Thielen in October. Would you trade Thielen and a pick for Brown?

@"Vikergirl" said: I heard that Baltimore inquired about Thielen in October. Would you trade Thielen and a pick for Brown?

Thielen is on a team friendly deal and is still in his prime.