Stafford traded to Rams for Goff, picks...

@"Jor-El" said:

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Its the niners on line one with the same offer for Cousins ( except replacing goff with garapolol)   any takers ....besides me?

I doubt any team would give up one 1st round pick for Cousins.

I didn't expect anybody to come close to the haul the Rams gave up for Stafford.  I think Stafford is a top 15 QB in the league, but he's going to be 33 years old next month. I was figuring maybe a second or third round pick would be the market for him.  This is the start of a very crazy QB offseason so I hope the Vikings are at least open to entertaining offers.  Cousins has had as much or more success in the league then Stafford has with a couple years less starting experience.

But it is NOT a "haul". Read my earlier post - these are future 1st-rounders from a team expected to be picking 25 or later. It's the equivalent of a couple 2nd-rounders this year.

And the Lions got Goff...is he the Lions' winning QB for the next decade - or a contract dump a al Brock Osweiler? THAT is going to determine whether the Lions did well in this trade.

@"supafreak84" said:

@"MarkSP18" said:

@"JimmyinSD" said: Its the niners on line one with the same offer for Cousins ( except replacing goff with garapolol)   any takers ....besides me?

I doubt any team would give up one 1st round pick for Cousins.

I didn't expect anybody to come close to the haul the Rams gave up for Stafford.  I think Stafford is a top 15 QB in the league, but he's going to be 33 years old next month. I was figuring maybe a second or third round pick would be the market for him.  This is the start of a very crazy QB offseason so I hope the Vikings are at least open to entertaining offers.  Cousins has had as much or more success in the league then Stafford has with a couple years less starting experience.

Whether it works or not, the Rams took their shot. They have most of the pieces in place and are shooting for a win now philosophy. The Lions are rebuilding and need change, time will tell whether or not it is the right option. 

I like this quote:

Goff, meanwhile, is heading to Detroit to play for first-year head coach Dan Campbell. FOX Sports 1 personality Colin Cowherd doesn’t appear to be very excited about that.
“If you’re looking for winners and losers in tonight’s trade. Consider this —Jared Goff goes from Sean McVay to Fred Flinstone. Won’t end well,” the longtime sports radio host tweeted.
Going from Los Angeles to Detroit is certainly a downgrade when we’re talking about the weather. And McVay is obviously a more proven head coach than Campbell.

I think Stafford is an enormous winner in this deal. Not only is he going to a far better team, he could be a star in a huge media market. Nice reward after more than a decade in Detroit. 

LA is a sh it hole unless you got big $$...But I'd take it over Detroit everyday of the week till Sunday. 

@"Carl Knowles" said: Chris Spielman is starting off strong as GM for the Lions. If they roll with Goff at QB and trade back from pick 7... they could have a boat load of future high round draft picks.

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Carl Knowles" said: Chris Spielman is starting off strong as GM for the Lions. If they roll with Goff at QB and trade back from pick 7... they could have a boat load of future high round draft picks.

Brad Holmes, who came over from the Rams, is the Lions GM. Which kind of begs the question, now that Paton is in Denver, and they were in on the Stafford sweepstakes...do they make a move for Cousins?

@"PurpleCrush" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Carl Knowles" said: Chris Spielman is starting off strong as GM for the Lions. If they roll with Goff at QB and trade back from pick 7... they could have a boat load of future high round draft picks.

Brad Holmes, who came over from the Rams, is the Lions GM. Which kind of begs the question, now that Paton is in Denver, and they were in on the Stafford sweepstakes...do they make a move for Cousins?

If they do, what would be considered an acceptable deal?

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Carl Knowles" said: Chris Spielman is starting off strong as GM for the Lions. If they roll with Goff at QB and trade back from pick 7... they could have a boat load of future high round draft picks.

Brad Holmes, who came over from the Rams, is the Lions GM. Which kind of begs the question, now that Paton is in Denver, and they were in on the Stafford sweepstakes...do they make a move for Cousins?

Panthers offered the #8 and a 6th.
Washington offered the #19 and a 3rd

If Goff returns to form, this trade heavily favors Detroit. But if not, you just saddled the franchise with a horrible contract. Add to that the 6 year contract they just forked over to The Dude, all I can say is Lions gonna lion. Moribund franchise. 

@"BarrNone55" said: Panthers offered the #8 and a 6th. Washington offered the #19 and a 3rd

If Goff returns to form, this trade heavily favors Detroit. But if not, you just saddled the franchise with a horrible contract. Add to that the 6 year contract they just forked over to The Dude, all I can say is Lions gonna lion. Moribund franchise. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: Panthers offered the #8 and a 6th. Washington offered the #19 and a 3rd

If Goff returns to form, this trade heavily favors Detroit. But if not, you just saddled the franchise with a horrible contract. Add to that the 6 year contract they just forked over to The Dude, all I can say is Lions gonna lion. Moribund franchise. 

Yes, and knowing the Lions, they'll draft nothing but tight ends with all those 1st rounders. 

@"Rigby" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: Panthers offered the #8 and a 6th. Washington offered the #19 and a 3rd

If Goff returns to form, this trade heavily favors Detroit. But if not, you just saddled the franchise with a horrible contract. Add to that the 6 year contract they just forked over to The Dude, all I can say is Lions gonna lion. Moribund franchise. 

Yes, and knowing the Lions, they'll draft nothing but tight ends with all those 1st rounders. 

Or corners...........oh sorry, thinking of someone else.

Sounds like Teddy was part of the Panthers offer. 

@"BarrNone55" said: Sounds like Teddy was part of the Panthers offer. 

Teddy played OK the first half of the season but then fell apart. Matt Rhule, coaching the Senior Bowl, got a real long look at Mac Jones. That might be their best option. Let Teddy start. See how he does with the return of CMac. If he does well, you have nice trade capital. If not, you have your QBOTF on the bench. 

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Rigby" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: Panthers offered the #8 and a 6th. Washington offered the #19 and a 3rd

If Goff returns to form, this trade heavily favors Detroit. But if not, you just saddled the franchise with a horrible contract. Add to that the 6 year contract they just forked over to The Dude, all I can say is Lions gonna lion. Moribund franchise. 

Yes, and knowing the Lions, they'll draft nothing but tight ends with all those 1st rounders. 

Or corners...........oh sorry, thinking of someone else.

Corners should be 1st round picks. TEs never. 

At first I was a little shocked what the Rams gave up but when you break it down it makes more sense. 

- As for the draft picks, future 1st are devalued since you need to wait to reap value.  So I kind of find that to be a loss for the Lions unless the Rams end up coughing up a top-10 pick. Using the draft value chart lets say the Rams pick in the mid-20s so the two firsts are worth a combined 1,500 draft points. Devalue it some for future value and its worth less than the 8th overall pick from Carolina. The 3rd rounder balances that a big but the Rams also picked up a compensatory 3rd this and next off-season for the Lions hiring Holmes. In the end you got the equivalent of Carolina's 8th pick with upside if the Rams falter. 

-  Dumping Goff was out of necessity for the Rams so they could make Stafford's money work. They probably will bonus restructure Stafford to get his 2021 cap hit down to around $16M. That is a BARGAIN for Stafford, which is why trading for him made so much sense for other teams. Goff's dead money hurts but the reality is even if they move Stafford's money around they will have him at under $30M in 2022 with room to knock that down rather easily. So for a team that pays its stars, this allows the Rams to move into the top 10 in NFL cap space this season with some practical moves. I personally don't think they necessarily paid the Lions to take Goff. Maybe you could talk yourself into it but Goff's deal minus the dead money on the Rams books isn't that bad. Goff isn't as bad as people think and the reality is the Lions will draft a QB to compete with him. You can trade Goff next off-season fairly easily. $0M dead money on the Lions books unless they eat some of his roster bonus to get a higher return. 

In the end this isn't the runaway win for the Lions most made it out to be on Saturday night. They got a competitive deal tying their best offer and got Stafford to his preferred destination. If not for that I think the Lions likely would have had to taken the Panthers offer of #8, Bridgewater, and a late round pick. Washington was also considering offering their 2021 1st along with a 2022 1st. Could have been a pick swap in 2022 but I think both those offers were probably slightly better. 

@"Rigby" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"Rigby" said:

@"MaroonBells" said:

@"BarrNone55" said: Panthers offered the #8 and a 6th. Washington offered the #19 and a 3rd

If Goff returns to form, this trade heavily favors Detroit. But if not, you just saddled the franchise with a horrible contract. Add to that the 6 year contract they just forked over to The Dude, all I can say is Lions gonna lion. Moribund franchise. 

Yes, and knowing the Lions, they'll draft nothing but tight ends with all those 1st rounders. 

Or corners...........oh sorry, thinking of someone else.

Corners should be 1st round picks. TEs never. 

On occasion sure, four in eight years - nah. For my money Kyle Pitts is one of the top five or six players in this draft - so I wouldn't say never to a TE either.

@"Carl Knowles" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:

@"Carl Knowles" said: Chris Spielman is starting off strong as GM for the Lions. If they roll with Goff at QB and trade back from pick 7... they could have a boat load of future high round draft picks.

Brad Holmes, who came over from the Rams, is the Lions GM. Which kind of begs the question, now that Paton is in Denver, and they were in on the Stafford sweepstakes...do they make a move for Cousins?

You're right... Holmes is the GM, but Spielman was hired first as a Special Assistant to the Owner and CEO. Holmes came up through the scouting department with the Rams and loved Goff. I see Holmes and Spielman as a tag team combo very similar to Paton and John Elway in Denver.

To answer your question, I have heard Paton might have been the "lead dog" in bringing Cousins to Minnesota.

I'm a Cousins' fan, but yes, I would take pick #9 and Drew Lock from Denver if Paton is indeed a big Cousins' believer.

Pick #15 from New England and pick #21 from the Colts... I would listen.

Some people say Cousins has no market value,.. but right now I wouldn't trade him for anything less than a first round pick and another QB.