Stafford traded to Rams for Goff, picks...
Rams also giving up two future 1st round picks and a 3rd....damn
@"Carl Knowles" said: Zimmer has said it's the worst defense he has coached. If it's going to take him two or three years to rebuild it... Rick might as well take a first round pick for Cousins while the market is hot.Man, if only they could add players like Danielle Hunter, MIchael PIerce, Eric Kendricks and Anthony Barr to this rebuild....
This shocks me for the Rams to give up Goff and two 1st round picks for Stafford who is going to be 33 and to me is a similar player. I had heard their was some growing rift between Goff and McVay, but still....to give up on him like that is surprising considering he has shown upside and had the Rams in the Super Bowl two years ago. Even taking on the contract this is a good move for the Lions
@"supafreak84" said: This shocks me for the Rams to give up Goff and two 1st round picks for Stafford who is going to be 33 and to me is a similar player. I had heard their was some growing rift between Goff and McVay, but still....to give up on him like that is surprising considering he has shown upside and had the Rams in the Super Bowl two years ago. Even taking on the contract this is a good move for the LionsThe rams made the superbowl despite goff.
Winners and Losers of NFL's Blockbuster Matthew Stafford-Jared Goff Trade
Winner: QB Matthew Stafford1 of 5
The Lions moved swiftly, and Stafford gets a one-way ticket out after 12 seasons with a franchise that hasn't won a playoff game since 1992. Although he's made three postseason trips with the club, Detroit hasn't been able to put a complete team around him.
For the most part, Stafford had to put the offense on his shoulders. He's played with just one 1,000-yard rusher—Reggie Bush in 2013—and one defensive unit that ranked in the top 10 in scoring.
Stafford will join a club that clinched a playoff berth in three out of four seasons under McVay, who's also fielded a top-10 ground attack in three campaigns. In 2020, the Rams finished with the top scoring defense under former defensive coordinator Brandon Staley, who accepted the Los Angeles Chargers' head coaching job earlier this month.
Still, with two star defenders in cornerback Jalen Ramsey and defensive tackle Aaron Donald, Stafford probably won't have to score 30-plus points to win games. He'll have a complementary rushing attack and a decent defense.
In 2020, Goff threw for 20 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. In December, he broke his right thumb and sat out of the team's Week 17 game against the Arizona Cardinals. John Wolford started and led the Rams to victory.
Although Goff was cleared to play against the Seattle Seahawks in the Wild Card Round, McVay opted to start Wolford, who went down with a neck injury early in the game. Los Angeles won the contest, but some wondered why Goff didn't start if healthy enough to suit up for the game.
The Rams foreshadowed their decision to turn the page on Goff's tenure as the starting quarterback. Now, he goes to a franchise that's in rebuild mode. This offseason, the Lions hired general manager Brad Holmes and head coach Dan Campbell to take over for Bob Quinn and Matt Patricia, respectively.
Goff will attempt to reinvent himself under a first-year full-time head coach with a franchise that hasn't had playoff success in nearly three decades.
Holmes has familiarity with Goff, whom the Rams selected with the No. 1 overall pick in 2016. He'll also acquire premium draft picks to revamp the roster in the coming years.
The Lions dealt an aging quarterback with two years left on his deal for a good haul. Detroit will have two first-round picks in 2022 and 2023, and Holmes could use that draft capital to fill voids across the roster or package them to move up for a quarterback.
Going into the 2021 campaign, the Lions have a solid placeholder at quarterback in Goff. If he's not the guy, the future draft picks allow the front office to change course. After the 2022 campaign, Detroit can release Goff and save $23.9 million in cap space, per Over the Cap.
If the Lions hit on early draft picks, the franchise can take a positive turn in the coming years. More importantly, Detroit has flexibility because of the compensation it received for Stafford.
For starters, the 49ers were believed to have interest in Stafford, per Matt Maiocco of NBC Sports, and NFL analyst Chris Simms believed the veteran quarterback would've fared well in head coach Kyle Shanahan's system (h/t Maiocco).
"Him in Kyle Shanahan's offense, just to be totally real and honest about that, yeah, I think Kyle could rein him in a little bit to take away some of the mistakes," Simms said. "That could be a very dangerous offense."
In 2020, 49ers quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo battled an ankle injury and struggled through six games, throwing seven touchdown passes and five interceptions, so we shouldn't be surprised at the team's willingness to find an upgrade at the position.
The 49ers missed out on Stafford, and they'll see him within the division twice a year as the Rams' starting quarterback.
San Francisco may have a shot at a quarterback such as Deshaun Watson if the Houston Texans decide to trade him, but that may come at a much higher cost now that the market has been set, which leads us to our last winner.
Deshaun Watson requested a trade before the Houston Texans hired head coach David Culley, per ESPN's Adam Schefter. But new Texans general manager Nick Caserio isn't interested in moving Watson, per ESPN's Sarah Barshop.
Nevertheless, he could potentially land a massive deal for a dynamic 25-year-old quarterback on the rise. In 2020, the Texans quarterback logged a league-leading 4,823 passing yards with 33 touchdowns and seven interceptions on a 4-12 squad.
Watson helped lead the Texans to the playoffs in two of the last three seasons. He's also a three-time Pro Bowler. Stafford has only earned that accolade once in 12 campaigns.
The Texans will receive plenty of offers for Watson this offseason. With the Lions' package for Stafford, Houston can up the ante for their disgruntled signal-caller. Caserio could easily push for three first-rounders and a starter in exchange for his franchise player.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2929056-winners-and-losers-of-nfls-blockbuster-matthew-stafford-jared-goff-trade?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
@"JimmyinSD" said:@"supafreak84" said: This shocks me for the Rams to give up Goff and two 1st round picks for Stafford who is going to be 33 and to me is a similar player. I had heard their was some growing rift between Goff and McVay, but still....to give up on him like that is surprising considering he has shown upside and had the Rams in the Super Bowl two years ago. Even taking on the contract this is a good move for the Lions The rams made the superbowl despite goff.He threw for over 4600 yards and 32 TD's that season including an absolute torching of our Vikings. I'd say he played a large part in their Super Bowl run
@"Carl Knowles" said: My question is,... out of the teams making strong offers for Stafford (49ers, Panthers, Colts, Broncos, Washington) would any of them turn their focus to Cousins since he is a "comp type" player to Stafford?
I wonder if Rick is having a busy day on the phone
today? I wouldn't mind if the Vikes "Herscheled" the 49ers or
some other team for Cousins.
@"HappyViking" said:@"Carl Knowles" said: My question is,... out of the teams making strong offers for Stafford (49ers, Panthers, Colts, Broncos, Washington) would any of them turn their focus to Cousins since he is a "comp type" player to Stafford?I wonder if Rick is having a busy day on the phone
today? I wouldn't mind if the Vikes "Herscheled" the 49ers or
some other team for Cousins.If the 49ers gave us their 1st round pick (12th) and a swap for Garopollo.....bye Kirk
@"supafreak84" said:@"HappyViking" said:@"Carl Knowles" said: My question is,... out of the teams making strong offers for Stafford (49ers, Panthers, Colts, Broncos, Washington) would any of them turn their focus to Cousins since he is a "comp type" player to Stafford?I wonder if Rick is having a busy day on the phone
today? I wouldn't mind if the Vikes "Herscheled" the 49ers or
some other team for Cousins.If the 49ers gave us their 1st round pick (12th) and a swap for Garopollo.....bye Kirk
Yes, but what if the Panthers had an offer of the #8 pick plus Teddy Bridgewater on the table for Stafford,... and got outbid? That offer IMO would trump the 49ers #12 pick and Jimmy G.I believe those offers were on table and the Rams had to dig deeper.
@"JimmyinSD" said: Its the niners on line one with the same offer for Cousins ( except replacing goff with garapolol) any takers ....besides me?I doubt any team would give up one 1st round pick for Cousins.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"Carl Knowles" said: My question is,... out of the teams making strong offers for Stafford (49ers, Panthers, Colts, Broncos, Washington) would any of them turn their focus to Cousins since he is a "comp type" player to Stafford? Cousins might actually be a better QB. He's certainly been more durable.But perception is reality and the likely perception around the league is that Stafford is a toolsy QB whose team has prevented him from greatness. Cousins is the opposite. A QB brought in to take a talented roster over the top and has (so far) failed.
I think this is absolutely correct. Players' draft evaluation stays with them a long time - IMO it's why Sam Bradford had teams still believing he could be their savior after failing with two franchises and repeated injuries that were adding up to collapse.Stafford is still seen as a #1 overall pick who many GMs scouted a decade ago and drooled about his talent. He was stuck in one of the worst franchises in the league and still played fairly well. A lot of GMS and coaches think they can magnify his output with a good surrounding cast and coaching. Cousins, OTOH, was a 4th-rounder and my guess is most everyone thinks he overachieved and has peaked, especially since a team that was 13-3 without him has not improved.
Spielman's phone is not ringing with offers for Cousins...besides, nothing has indicated the Vikings have any desire to move him.
@"Carl Knowles" said: Zimmer has said it's the worst defense he has coached. If it's going to take him two or three years to rebuild it... Rick might as well take a first round pick for Cousins while the market is hot.
That defense was missing 3 key starters, that's almost a third of it, it can easily be fixed this season.
@"Carl Knowles" said:@"supafreak84" said:@"HappyViking" said:@"Carl Knowles" said: My question is,... out of the teams making strong offers for Stafford (49ers, Panthers, Colts, Broncos, Washington) would any of them turn their focus to Cousins since he is a "comp type" player to Stafford?I wonder if Rick is having a busy day on the phone
today? I wouldn't mind if the Vikes "Herscheled" the 49ers or
some other team for Cousins.If the 49ers gave us their 1st round pick (12th) and a swap for Garopollo.....bye Kirk
Yes, but what if the Panthers had an offer of the #8 pick plus Teddy Bridgewater on the table for Stafford,... and got outbid? That offer IMO would trump the 49ers #12 pick and Jimmy G.I believe those offers were on table and the Rams had to dig deeper.
Did the Rams outbid? I think people are overreacting to the headlines. They got 2 future first round picks - in 2022 and 2023. Isn't the standard trade logic that a pick next year is worth a pick 1 round lower this year? And, since the Rams were 10-6 this year (and won a playoff game) and have a young roster that now added Stafford, those 1st-round picks will probably be in the late 20s.So that 2022 #1 is worth a #2 this year, and the 2023 #1 is worth a #3 this year. That would mean the Rams actually sent Detroit the equivalent of 1 2nd-round and 2 3rd-round picks in this year's draft. They also have to carry Goff's big contract for a while. This is NOT necessarily a "rebuild the franchise" trade for Detroit.
IMO the Rams are a lot like the Vikings were when they acquired Cousins in 2018: betting their roster is in its window to win and adding a QB they hope can take them to another Super Bowl. (But...aren't they going to be without a 1st-round pick for 6 years straight??)
@"HappyViking" said:@"Carl Knowles" said: My question is,... out of the teams making strong offers for Stafford (49ers, Panthers, Colts, Broncos, Washington) would any of them turn their focus to Cousins since he is a "comp type" player to Stafford?I wonder if Rick is having a busy day on the phone
today? I wouldn't mind if the Vikes "Herscheled" the 49ers or
some other team for Cousins.
I don't think the Vikings have any interest in trading Cousins. First of all, unlike the Lions, they're not rebuilding. Second, they'd have to replace him. With who? Jimmy G? Maybe. But third, unlike the Lions, who sit at #7 and can easily land one of the top 3 QBs, rendering their new QB an expensive "bridge," Vikings don't have the same outlook.The only QB who might still be there at 14 is Mac Jones. And while I think he's underrated, call me a little uneasy about watching us waste the careers of Danielle, Dalvin, Jefferson, et al while we wait for the Jimmy-Mac combo to get us to the promised land. Is that even an upgrade? I don't think so.
I'd rather send an army of picks to Texas for Watson.
@"MaroonBells" said:@"HappyViking" said:@"Carl Knowles" said: My question is,... out of the teams making strong offers for Stafford (49ers, Panthers, Colts, Broncos, Washington) would any of them turn their focus to Cousins since he is a "comp type" player to Stafford?I wonder if Rick is having a busy day on the phone
today? I wouldn't mind if the Vikes "Herscheled" the 49ers or
some other team for Cousins.
I don't think the Vikings have any interest in trading Cousins. First of all, unlike the Lions, they're not rebuilding. Second, they'd have to replace him. With who? Jimmy G? Maybe. But third, unlike the Lions, who sit at #7 and can easily land one of the top 3 QBs, rendering their new QB an expensive "bridge," Vikings don't have the same outlook.The only QB who might still be there at 14 is Mac Jones. And while I think he's underrated, call me a little uneasy about watching us waste the careers of Danielle, Dalvin, Jefferson, et al while we wait for the Jimmy-Mac combo to get us to the promised land. Is that even an upgrade? I don't think so.
I'd rather send an army of picks to Texas for Watson.
This is exactly what I've been thinking about Mac Jones...I'm not convinced his upside is any higher than where we are today with KC.Now, if the Vikings want to get really bold? And get one of the top 3 qb's? That's a whole other discussion, and one I'd gladly participate in.
@"JimmyinSD" said: Its the niners on line one with the same offer for Cousins ( except replacing goff with garapolol) any takers ....besides me?I certainly wouldn't hang up, especially if it's a #1 this draft.
@"purplefaithful" said:@"MaroonBells" said:@"HappyViking" said:@"Carl Knowles" said: My question is,... out of the teams making strong offers for Stafford (49ers, Panthers, Colts, Broncos, Washington) would any of them turn their focus to Cousins since he is a "comp type" player to Stafford?I wonder if Rick is having a busy day on the phone
today? I wouldn't mind if the Vikes "Herscheled" the 49ers or
some other team for Cousins.
I don't think the Vikings have any interest in trading Cousins. First of all, unlike the Lions, they're not rebuilding. Second, they'd have to replace him. With who? Jimmy G? Maybe. But third, unlike the Lions, who sit at #7 and can easily land one of the top 3 QBs, rendering their new QB an expensive "bridge," Vikings don't have the same outlook.The only QB who might still be there at 14 is Mac Jones. And while I think he's underrated, call me a little uneasy about watching us waste the careers of Danielle, Dalvin, Jefferson, et al while we wait for the Jimmy-Mac combo to get us to the promised land. Is that even an upgrade? I don't think so.
I'd rather send an army of picks to Texas for Watson.
This is exactly what I've been thinking about Mac Jones...I'm not convinced his upside is any higher than where we are today with KC.Now, if the Vikings want to get really bold? And get one of the top 3 qb's? That's a whole other discussion, and one I'd gladly participate in.
Yes, but "boldness" is expensive and risky. Chicago traded 4 picks to move up one spot to take Trubisky. Bust. Rams traded two 1sts, two 2nds and two 3rds to move up to take Jared Goff. Bust. Washington traded THREE 1sts and a 2nd to move up for RGIII. Bust.I tend to think in percentages and likelihoods. Cousins isn't a perfect QB, but I just think we're more likely to win a Super Bowl next year with him and a couple additions at 3T and LG, than a rookie QB without those additions.
That's the thing about the draft. It's a no-peek hand. You hope for Mahomes, but odds say you're much more likely to draw a Wentz or Winston or Mariota or Bortles. And look at what you just paid to look at your hand!
My exception is Watson. If you're talking about a still-young, proven QB? I'd pay a lot for that. I know I'd have to, but there's no risk. You know what he is.
@"MarkSP18" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: Its the niners on line one with the same offer for Cousins ( except replacing goff with garapolol) any takers ....besides me? I doubt any team would give up one 1st round pick for Cousins.I didn't expect anybody to come close to the haul the Rams gave up for Stafford. I think Stafford is a top 15 QB in the league, but he's going to be 33 years old next month. I was figuring maybe a second or third round pick would be the market for him. This is the start of a very crazy QB offseason so I hope the Vikings are at least open to entertaining offers. Cousins has had as much or more success in the league then Stafford has with a couple years less starting experience.
The Rams really know how to take the enjoyment out of their fans' draft parties ... pic.twitter.com/1rDpdnHkL4
— FantasyPros (@FantasyPros) January 31, 2021
@"supafreak84" said:@"MarkSP18" said:@"JimmyinSD" said: Its the niners on line one with the same offer for Cousins ( except replacing goff with garapolol) any takers ....besides me? I doubt any team would give up one 1st round pick for Cousins.I didn't expect anybody to come close to the haul the Rams gave up for Stafford. I think Stafford is a top 15 QB in the league, but he's going to be 33 years old next month. I was figuring maybe a second or third round pick would be the market for him. This is the start of a very crazy QB offseason so I hope the Vikings are at least open to entertaining offers. Cousins has had as much or more success in the league then Stafford has with a couple years less starting experience.
But it is NOT a "haul". Read my earlier post - these are future 1st-rounders from a team expected to be picking 25 or later. It's the equivalent of a couple 2nd-rounders this year.And the Lions got Goff...is he the Lions' winning QB for the next decade - or a contract dump a al Brock Osweiler? THAT is going to determine whether the Lions did well in this trade.
Edit Post (mod action — author will see a notice)
Warn Poster
Suspend User (3 days)
The user will be suspended for 3 days and will receive an email with the reason and information about how to appeal.