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#1 · Apr 29, 2:03 PM
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I will be shocked if the Vikes don't extend Cook and he will make a lot of money.  Don't necessarily agree with that move but truly believe it'll happen.

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@"1VikesFan" said: I will be shocked if the Vikes don't extend Cook and he will make a lot of money.  Don't necessarily agree with that move but truly believe it'll happen.


That's my gut feeling too.  They'll overpay him, way more than I would.  It just seems like what they do.  I'd pay him 3 years for $24M.  That seems tolerable to me.  I'd also consider something like 3 years for $18M with performance based incentives that push it higher if he's top X in the league in several categories.

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The 3 years/$24M number sounds great. I was throwing that number around earlier this offseason, but the world is different than it was before CMC re-signed.

The 3/$24M number is waaaay off the table now, unfortunately. Like, no chance.

If I'm following the contract details correctly, CMC's new deal is an average of $16M/yr. That includes with $38M guaranteed if he's there for 2+ seasons. The earliest practical out for Carolina is after year 3. So even if they bail at that time, he'd have earned ~$13M/yr.

So yes, I'd love Dalvin at $8M/yr. I'd also love a 2020 Mustang GT for $10 grand. Neither is happening.
EDIT- 3 yrs/$36M is probably a lot closer to the mark

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RS likes to resign guys he drafts, I have no clue what the Vikings will offer.

Mattison and Cook were a Top 5 RB duo last season, They'll be even better in 2020

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Pretty good article on why the Vikings can afford Dalvin Cook....

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/coller-vikings-can-afford-to-take-the-running-back-risk-on-dalvin-cook

By the time March 2021 rolls around, the Vikings’ cap situation will look vastly different....
The Vikings will go from one of the tightest cap situations to one of the best. Not only can they afford to fit a market-rate cap hit for Dalvin Cook under the cap, they are very likely to have the flexibility to make a big signing in free agency....
How will it change so quickly? Cornerbacks. In 2019 the Vikings spent $27 million in cap space on cornerbacks, fourth most in the NFL. In 2021 they are projected to spend $7.2 million. The draft picks of Jeff Gladney and Cameron Dantzler combined with 2018 first-round pick Mike Hughes entering the final year of his rookie deal equate to the Vikings spending almost nothing on a position that’s generally very expensive.

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@"MaroonBells" said: Pretty good article on why the Vikings can afford Dalvin Cook....

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/coller-vikings-can-afford-to-take-the-running-back-risk-on-dalvin-cook

By the time March 2021 rolls around, the Vikings’ cap situation will look vastly different....
The Vikings will go from one of the tightest cap situations to one of the best. Not only can they afford to fit a market-rate cap hit for Dalvin Cook under the cap, they are very likely to have the flexibility to make a big signing in free agency....
How will it change so quickly? Cornerbacks. In 2019 the Vikings spent $27 million in cap space on cornerbacks, fourth most in the NFL. In 2021 they are projected to spend $7.2 million. The draft picks of Jeff Gladney and Cameron Dantzler combined with 2018 first-round pick Mike Hughes entering the final year of his rookie deal equate to the Vikings spending almost nothing on a position that’s generally very expensive.



this has been said every year for as long as I can remember... and then next year comes and we are cap strapped once again.

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#28 · May 21, 11:06 AM
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IMO, its a given they are going to resign Cook. Done. The cap gets wide open in 2021 for the team. They did the hard decisions on that this year. Dalvin is as dynamic as any RB in the league, he's a must-have.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Pretty good article on why the Vikings can afford Dalvin Cook....

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/coller-vikings-can-afford-to-take-the-running-back-risk-on-dalvin-cook

By the time March 2021 rolls around, the Vikings’ cap situation will look vastly different....
The Vikings will go from one of the tightest cap situations to one of the best. Not only can they afford to fit a market-rate cap hit for Dalvin Cook under the cap, they are very likely to have the flexibility to make a big signing in free agency....
How will it change so quickly? Cornerbacks. In 2019 the Vikings spent $27 million in cap space on cornerbacks, fourth most in the NFL. In 2021 they are projected to spend $7.2 million. The draft picks of Jeff Gladney and Cameron Dantzler combined with 2018 first-round pick Mike Hughes entering the final year of his rookie deal equate to the Vikings spending almost nothing on a position that’s generally very expensive.



this has been said every year for as long as I can remember... and then next year comes and we are cap strapped once again.


Not sure what you define as "cap strapped" but teams are meant to use as much of the cap as possible. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Pretty good article on why the Vikings can afford Dalvin Cook....

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/coller-vikings-can-afford-to-take-the-running-back-risk-on-dalvin-cook

By the time March 2021 rolls around, the Vikings’ cap situation will look vastly different....
The Vikings will go from one of the tightest cap situations to one of the best. Not only can they afford to fit a market-rate cap hit for Dalvin Cook under the cap, they are very likely to have the flexibility to make a big signing in free agency....
How will it change so quickly? Cornerbacks. In 2019 the Vikings spent $27 million in cap space on cornerbacks, fourth most in the NFL. In 2021 they are projected to spend $7.2 million. The draft picks of Jeff Gladney and Cameron Dantzler combined with 2018 first-round pick Mike Hughes entering the final year of his rookie deal equate to the Vikings spending almost nothing on a position that’s generally very expensive.



this has been said every year for as long as I can remember... and then next year comes and we are cap strapped once again.


Not sure what you define as "cap strapped" but teams are meant to use as much of the cap as possible. 


but typically its good to have enough at the start of FA to not have to cut contributing players to make the other necessary moves to stay competitive.   or in the case of this year,  we had to release players just to get under the cap by the start of the new year. ie: strapped

and they can roll over some cap to help with future costs,  they dont have to use 101%

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Pretty good article on why the Vikings can afford Dalvin Cook....

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/coller-vikings-can-afford-to-take-the-running-back-risk-on-dalvin-cook

By the time March 2021 rolls around, the Vikings’ cap situation will look vastly different....
The Vikings will go from one of the tightest cap situations to one of the best. Not only can they afford to fit a market-rate cap hit for Dalvin Cook under the cap, they are very likely to have the flexibility to make a big signing in free agency....
How will it change so quickly? Cornerbacks. In 2019 the Vikings spent $27 million in cap space on cornerbacks, fourth most in the NFL. In 2021 they are projected to spend $7.2 million. The draft picks of Jeff Gladney and Cameron Dantzler combined with 2018 first-round pick Mike Hughes entering the final year of his rookie deal equate to the Vikings spending almost nothing on a position that’s generally very expensive.



this has been said every year for as long as I can remember... and then next year comes and we are cap strapped once again.


Not sure what you define as "cap strapped" but teams are meant to use as much of the cap as possible. 


but typically its good to have enough at the start of FA to not have to cut contributing players to make the other necessary moves to stay competitive.   or in the case of this year,  we had to release players just to get under the cap by the start of the new year. ie: strapped



...and we do that a lot, ya think? 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Pretty good article on why the Vikings can afford Dalvin Cook....

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/coller-vikings-can-afford-to-take-the-running-back-risk-on-dalvin-cook

By the time March 2021 rolls around, the Vikings’ cap situation will look vastly different....
The Vikings will go from one of the tightest cap situations to one of the best. Not only can they afford to fit a market-rate cap hit for Dalvin Cook under the cap, they are very likely to have the flexibility to make a big signing in free agency....
How will it change so quickly? Cornerbacks. In 2019 the Vikings spent $27 million in cap space on cornerbacks, fourth most in the NFL. In 2021 they are projected to spend $7.2 million. The draft picks of Jeff Gladney and Cameron Dantzler combined with 2018 first-round pick Mike Hughes entering the final year of his rookie deal equate to the Vikings spending almost nothing on a position that’s generally very expensive.



this has been said every year for as long as I can remember... and then next year comes and we are cap strapped once again.


Not sure what you define as "cap strapped" but teams are meant to use as much of the cap as possible. 


but typically its good to have enough at the start of FA to not have to cut contributing players to make the other necessary moves to stay competitive.   or in the case of this year,  we had to release players just to get under the cap by the start of the new year. ie: strapped



...and we do that a lot, ya think? 


Does the frequency matter if it just happened and could easily happen again?  RBs are not the position to get into cap issues over IMO. Even as good as Cook is he is not so much greater than Mattison that I would risk not being able to resign a stud at another position that is harder to fill or does not already have a capable back up at....especially in a system known for making decent backs look outstanding.

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I think Cook is a lot better than Mattison. He deserves to get paid a lot more than Mattison. Cook probably also deserves to be one of the top paid RBs in the league.
But history is not kind to teams who do this. We all know it and the Vikings know it. But it's still happening, apparently. So like I said before we'll just have to cross our fingers and hope Dalvin can stay healthy.

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@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Pretty good article on why the Vikings can afford Dalvin Cook....

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/coller-vikings-can-afford-to-take-the-running-back-risk-on-dalvin-cook

By the time March 2021 rolls around, the Vikings’ cap situation will look vastly different....
The Vikings will go from one of the tightest cap situations to one of the best. Not only can they afford to fit a market-rate cap hit for Dalvin Cook under the cap, they are very likely to have the flexibility to make a big signing in free agency....
How will it change so quickly? Cornerbacks. In 2019 the Vikings spent $27 million in cap space on cornerbacks, fourth most in the NFL. In 2021 they are projected to spend $7.2 million. The draft picks of Jeff Gladney and Cameron Dantzler combined with 2018 first-round pick Mike Hughes entering the final year of his rookie deal equate to the Vikings spending almost nothing on a position that’s generally very expensive.



this has been said every year for as long as I can remember... and then next year comes and we are cap strapped once again.


Not sure what you define as "cap strapped" but teams are meant to use as much of the cap as possible. 


but typically its good to have enough at the start of FA to not have to cut contributing players to make the other necessary moves to stay competitive.   or in the case of this year,  we had to release players just to get under the cap by the start of the new year. ie: strapped



...and we do that a lot, ya think? 


Does the frequency matter if it just happened and could easily happen again? 


Never mind, I thought you said "this has been said every year for as long as I can remember... and then next year comes and we are cap strapped once again" but I must have dreamt that. 

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I guess I don’t get the point of the article.  It’s kind of implying that just because some
company gave you a shiny new credit card with a big limit that you should go
straight to the mall and max it out.

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@"medaille" said: I guess I don’t get the point of the article.  It’s kind of implying that just because some company gave you a shiny new credit card with a big limit that you should go straight to the mall and max it out.


It's the American way, baby!

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@"medaille" said: I guess I don’t get the point of the article.  It’s kind of implying that just because some company gave you a shiny new credit card with a big limit that you should go straight to the mall and max it out.


Man, great analogy. Because maxing out your dad's credit card buying lived-in Khakis at the Gap is the same as paying market value to a star employee you hired to help your business achieve its goals. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"medaille" said: I guess I don’t get the point of the article.  It’s kind of implying that just because some company gave you a shiny new credit card with a big limit that you should go straight to the mall and max it out.


Man, great analogy. Because maxing out your dad's credit card buying lived-in Khakis at the Gap is the same as paying market value to a star employee you hired to help your business achieve its goals. 


I laughed. 

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@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"JimmyinSD" said:
@"MaroonBells" said: Pretty good article on why the Vikings can afford Dalvin Cook....

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-sports/coller-vikings-can-afford-to-take-the-running-back-risk-on-dalvin-cook

By the time March 2021 rolls around, the Vikings’ cap situation will look vastly different....
The Vikings will go from one of the tightest cap situations to one of the best. Not only can they afford to fit a market-rate cap hit for Dalvin Cook under the cap, they are very likely to have the flexibility to make a big signing in free agency....
How will it change so quickly? Cornerbacks. In 2019 the Vikings spent $27 million in cap space on cornerbacks, fourth most in the NFL. In 2021 they are projected to spend $7.2 million. The draft picks of Jeff Gladney and Cameron Dantzler combined with 2018 first-round pick Mike Hughes entering the final year of his rookie deal equate to the Vikings spending almost nothing on a position that’s generally very expensive.



this has been said every year for as long as I can remember... and then next year comes and we are cap strapped once again.


Not sure what you define as "cap strapped" but teams are meant to use as much of the cap as possible. 


but typically its good to have enough at the start of FA to not have to cut contributing players to make the other necessary moves to stay competitive.   or in the case of this year,  we had to release players just to get under the cap by the start of the new year. ie: strapped



...and we do that a lot, ya think? 


Does the frequency matter if it just happened and could easily happen again? 


Never mind, I thought you said "this has been said every year for as long as I can remember... and then next year comes and we are cap strapped once again" but I must have dreamt that. 


Yes, every year we hear about how much better off the team will be under the cap and the next year comes and we never seem to have that money to go shopping FA,  and about every year we end up having to let some good players walk.

And imo blowing our was on a RB is a piss poor use of any perceived future surplus.

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I'm thinking that they will sign him. I hope he stays healthy. He is fun to watch when he is on the field.

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