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Honestly, I'm using a kindle, so I really can't tell. The one thing I did pick up was he doesn't use his trunk much. His biggest knock is arm strength. Just a little tweak to engage his trunk in his throws, and you marry that to all the intangibles and non-physical traits you'd ever want...and giggity...

My thoughts on Fromm after 5 game tapes:
+ good poise in the pocket 
+ appears to do a good job working through progressions
+ takes care of the ball/makes smart decisions
+ seems to have good knowledge of what he’s looking at in terms of the defense
+ probably the most pro ready of the QB’s I’ve watched so far

- average to below average arm talent for NFL . Will have to be efficient with timing
- can send out a wobbler towards the end of the 25-35 yard flatter throws
- accuracy went down the past year despite stacked team
- not mobile at all, appears very limited athletically
- although I like his quick compact throwing motion, his lower body doesn’t always match which in my opinion robs him of velocity. I don’t see this improving much as it should have by now
Comparison: Andy Dalton   3rd-4th round grade 

While I’m at it I’ll hit a few more.

Jordan Love:
+ big strong build will serve him well at the next level
+ great athleticism allows for plays running or scrambling to throw
+ appears confident and driven
+ excellent arm talent and can make all the NFL throws 
+ can stick the ball into NFL windows
+ dual threat capability

- spotty accuracy especially on deeper throws
- significant drop in overall performance between 2018 - 2019
- locks on and stares down target far too often
- especially on deeper throws has slower time consuming mechanics at times
- not consistent in 2019 resulted in a ton of picks, pick six machine
- questionable decision making
- appears very limited reading the field

A true boom/bust prospect that has a ways to go to be an NFL QB. Top 10 in the draft physical tools but needs to sit a couple of years. Should have stayed in school.
Comparison: Jake Locker or Josh Allen (more recent) 2nd - 4th round grade

Jacob Eason:

+ monster arm, will be one of the strongest in the league day 1
+ big strong build well suited for NFL 
+ coming from pro style system
+ good accuracy
+ takes care of the ball limiting interceptions
+ good play action 
+ would be a good match for a vertical style offense in NFL

- limited time with essentially one recent year of experience
- really struggled against blitz/pressure pulling eyes off downfield
- can get sloppy with mechanics, especially under any pressure
- seems a bit slow on reads at times and can stare down target
- in my opinion needed to stay for his last year, got a ways to go to start in NFL
- not a great runner
- will try to over muscle the ball while not setting feet resulting in poor throws 

Boom or bust prospect with great potential but really needs to sit a couple of years as he’s pretty raw yet. Again, should have stayed I School.
NFL comparisons: Joe Flacco or he gets it together    2nd-3rd round grade

Justin Herbert:

+ outstanding arm talent - flat footed 62 yard throw at pro day
+ very athletic, can hurt you on the move both throwing and running
+ cerebral, works progressions standing tall, reads defenses has a plan
+ excellent against pressure 11 tds to 0 picks against the blitz
+ quick throwing process, keeps very good balance and has quick feet like a much smaller guy. 
+ clear development curve, improving
+ can adjust his arm to whatever angle is needed to get the ball out on target.
+ Well suited for a vertical passing attack
+ excellent deep accuracy
+ can hit ridiculously small windows. Even the toughest NFL throws
+ outstanding play action - better than many pros

• Played primarily in the pistol, NFL concepts but will be an adjustment, Duck offense was a poor fit for his skillset, wr’s were not very good but bonus for getting used to NFL windows
• Shows some issues putting touch on the ball, too much juice
• Inconsistent ball placement. Throws open great, but gets behind on shorter passes
• Does a ball spin after getting the snap. Slows his ability to get the ball out on quick hitters which leads to rushed off target throws
• Needs to learn to throw without the laces if needed on quick hitters
• Will need to learn to put more loft on the ball at next level to keep defenders hands off the ball
• Although he’s awesome in the face of pressure, he hangs in too long at times when he should have bailed.
• His future could be very dependent on the situation he lands in.
• Shouldn’t start year one, best served learning

Overall, Herbert is one of the better prospects I’ve ever reviewed, hence the more in depth analysis. He has all the tools, but needs more seasoning. Reportedly didn’t have QB coaching during HS. Didn’t attend a football QB camp until well into college. Biggest question mark for me is how he handles adversity/mental makeup. 

NFL Comparison: Aaron Rodgers.        Top 10 talent 

• if he falls like Rodgers, I expect we’ll pass and take Erasmus James again. 

@"Havoc1649" said: My thoughts on Fromm after 5 game tapes: + good poise in the pocket  + appears to do a good job working through progressions + takes care of the ball/makes smart decisions + seems to have good knowledge of what he’s looking at in terms of the defense + probably the most pro ready of the QB’s I’ve watched so far

- average to below average arm talent for NFL . Will have to be efficient with timing
- can send out a wobbler towards the end of the 25-35 yard flatter throws
- accuracy went down the past year despite stacked team
- not mobile at all, appears very limited athletically
- although I like his quick compact throwing motion, his lower body doesn’t always match which in my opinion robs him of velocity. I don’t see this improving much as it should have by now
Comparison: Andy Dalton   3rd-4th round grade 

That's the thing I noticed too: lack of anything being generated from the trunk when he throws.

@"Havoc1649" said: While I’m at it I’ll hit a few more.

Jordan Love:
+ big strong build will serve him well at the next level
+ great athleticism allows for plays running or scrambling to throw
+ appears confident and driven
+ excellent arm talent and can make all the NFL throws 
+ can stick the ball into NFL windows
+ dual threat capability

- spotty accuracy especially on deeper throws
- significant drop in overall performance between 2018 - 2019
- locks on and stares down target far too often
- especially on deeper throws has slower time consuming mechanics at times
- not consistent in 2019 resulted in a ton of picks, pick six machine
- questionable decision making
- appears very limited reading the field

A true boom/bust prospect that has a ways to go to be an NFL QB. Top 10 in the draft physical tools but needs to sit a couple of years. Should have stayed in school.
Comparison: Jake Locker or Josh Allen (more recent) 2nd - 4th round grade

Awesome breakdowns!
Do you think a coach (probably not our coach) can turn Love into Lamar Jackson-lite?
Sit him for a year, or most of one, and tailor a productive offense around him in year 2? Or is Lamar's running ability too elite to even comp anyone to?

Didn't Georgia have like 1 experienced WR (that was hurt a lot) and a bunch of Freshman Receivers for Fromm to throw to this last season? I take issue with the comment about him being on a 'stacked' team. Maybe on O-Line and RB. And Kicker. Certainly not at WR.

@"pattersaur" said:

@"Havoc1649" said: While I’m at it I’ll hit a few more.

Jordan Love:
+ big strong build will serve him well at the next level
+ great athleticism allows for plays running or scrambling to throw
+ appears confident and driven
+ excellent arm talent and can make all the NFL throws 
+ can stick the ball into NFL windows
+ dual threat capability

- spotty accuracy especially on deeper throws
- significant drop in overall performance between 2018 - 2019
- locks on and stares down target far too often
- especially on deeper throws has slower time consuming mechanics at times
- not consistent in 2019 resulted in a ton of picks, pick six machine
- questionable decision making
- appears very limited reading the field

A true boom/bust prospect that has a ways to go to be an NFL QB. Top 10 in the draft physical tools but needs to sit a couple of years. Should have stayed in school.
Comparison: Jake Locker or Josh Allen (more recent) 2nd - 4th round grade

Awesome breakdowns!
Do you think a coach (probably not our coach) can turn Love into Lamar Jackson-lite?
Sit him for a year, or most of one, and tailor a productive offense around him in year 2? Or is Lamar's running ability too elite to even comp anyone to?

@"FSUVike" said: Didn't Georgia have like 1 experienced WR (that was hurt a lot) and a bunch of Freshman Receivers for Fromm to throw to this last season? I take issue with the comment about him being on a 'stacked' team. Maybe on O-Line and RB. And Kicker. Certainly not at WR.

You’re probably thinking of Lawrence Cager. He had a good year, but certainly isn’t an elite talent. However, one guy jumps out all over the tape and he’s a freaking stud x 10.  George Pickens is an uber stud. He’s going to be a super star. With that said, I was referring to the overall team in comparison to the other QB’s teams. If you watch Love and Herbert you’ll know why I consider Pickens, Swift and the Dogs a far superior team. Herbert’s in particular are not very good. They have one fairly reliable guy but it’s mostly drops city.  When I watch D’Andre Swift (whose also a good receiver) and Pickens do their thing, it’s impossible for me to say anything other than they’re stacked. I’d have difficulty arguing otherwise. Swift is the best RB in this draft and a top 10 talent.

This regime just doesn't think ahead at the QB position so I have no worries about them taking one this year even if they should.

Are any of the mid-to-late round QBs worth a shot for Vikings?Within the first few hours of the new league year, the Minnesota Vikings signed Kirk Cousins to a contract extension, locking up their veteran quarterback through 2022.
While his fresh contract would insinuate that the Vikings are set at the position for years to come, there is plenty of precedent for teams looking down the road several years and taking quarterbacks with middle-to-late round selections in the NFL Draft.
A few examples: The Patriots picked Tom Brady when Drew Bledsoe was their franchise QB. Dallas picked Dak Prescott in the fourth round with Tony Romo in place. The Patriots grabbed Jimmy Garoppolo in the second round despite no signs of Brady’s decline. Cousins was picked in the fourth only one day after Washington took Robert Griffin III. Seattle picked Russell Wilson shortly after signing Matt Flynn to be their starter.
So there’s a case for the Vikings to do the same in this year’s draft. Of course there has to be prospects worthy of spending a draft asset in order to do so. Let’s have a look at the mid-to-late round QBs who are most intriguing as potential projects…
Jake Fromm, Georgia
Projected round: 2-4
Key stat: 78:18 touchdown-to-interception ratio in three years as a starter
Whether you’re looking at Fromm’s lack of athleticism or arm strength, it’s natural to put a limited ceiling on him but his college production in the SEC and development as an NFL-style game-managing quarterback could make him a worthwhile pick if he falls into the third or fourth round. According to PFF data, Fromm protected the ball brilliantly, ranking fifth best in the nation in 2019 in turnover-worthy plays and he managed the fourth best pressure rate and got rid of the ball quickly at just 2.5 seconds from snap to throw.
Fromm makes sense on some level for the Vikings because his experience and acumen suggests his floor is still likely a quality backup QB — and on a rookie contract, he would be a cheap one at that.
Anthony Gordon, Washington State
Projected round: 3-6
Key stat: 79.8% adjusted completion percentage, fifth in the nation
Few quarterbacks in college football history have ever produced a passing season as prolific as Gordon’s 2019. He threw for the sixth most single-season passing yards in NCAA history (Case Keenum owns the No. 5 and No. 4 seasons, Joe Burrow is third) and showed some impressive translatable skills in the process. For example, he took just 20 sacks on over 700 drop backs, ranked as one of the best in the nation on short throws with a 116.1 rating on passes traveling less than 10 yards. Gordon isn’t a top-notch athlete and he struggled when under pressure but PFF’s comparable for him is Kirk Cousins. Similar to Fromm, there’s a high chance at becoming a quality backup at worst.
Tyler Huntley, Utah
Projected round: 4-7
Key stat: 10.2 yards per pass attempt, only six turnover-worthy plays (per PFF) on 300 attempts
An NFL Combine snub, Huntley was only able to use his Pro Day to show his impressive athleticism. He reportedly ran a 4.56 40-yard dash and measured at 6-foot-1, 207-pounds. Those numbers combined with his 2019 statistics might be enough to draw late-round interest. Huntley had the highest adjusted completion percentage in the nation at 82.6% and excelled on intermediate passes, registering an NFL rating of 121.1 on throws between 11-20 yards, per PFF. His ability to avoid mistakes bodes well for his NFL profile.
Josh Love, San Jose State
Projected round: 4-7
Key stat: Fifth highest PFF grade on intermediate throws, 11th most deep passing yards
The Love who won’t get as much love on draft day from scouts as projected top pick Jordan Love, Josh flashed some intriguing skills for San Jose State last season, registering the 13th most big-time throws in college football and proving to have the accuracy to hit throws in the middle of the field on a consistent basis. Despite playing in an offense that had him throw over 10 yards more often than short passes, he was only sacked 13 times on 494 drop backs and got rid of the ball in 2.33 seconds per PFF data. Love isn’t tall or physically imposing but that could help him stay under the radar.
Cole McDonald, Hawaii
Projected round: 4-7
Key stat: Led college football with nine completions of more than 40 yards
McDonald might be the most fun late-round prospect. He has a monster arm and ran a 4.58 40-yard dash at the Combine. While his numbers suffered due to poor performance under pressure, nobody in the class took fewer sacks than McDonald. And if he doesn’t work out at quarterback, his athletic profile gives him a shot at another position.
https://www.skornorth.com/2020/04/are-any-of-the-mid-to-late-round-qbs-worth-a-shot-for-vikings/

I heart Cole McDonald. He's a year or two away, but he could be a stud. 

The view from behind the QB is vital for a QB. Here you can see Jake organizing his line and RB. Sounds crazy, but very few college OCs expect much from their QBs as it relates to adjusting protections. pic.twitter.com/tqihVoQuWf

— Sage Rosenfels (@SageRosenfels18) April 20, 2020

My favorite play by Fromm from the Notre Dame game this past season.

Would have been a @DilfersDimes if the receiver would have come down with it. @GeorgiaFootball pic.twitter.com/L6fgZOmwV2

— Sage Rosenfels (@SageRosenfels18) April 20, 2020

Jake Fromm with the ability to improvise ever so slightly by changing his arm angle on a check down.

These are the types of plays that don’t happen at the combine or workouts. You can’t simulate this in practice, but these throws occur all the time. @GeorgiaFootball #JakeFromm pic.twitter.com/vPYuze6f00

— Sage Rosenfels (@SageRosenfels18) April 20, 2020

@"BarrNone55" said: As FSU mentioned, players from 20-60 are pretty similar...I personally think it's closer to 25-60...regardless, in that range you get the top end of the IOL, the second tier of WRs, OTs, CBs and DTs...money.

Agree, if we can load up in that 20-55 range we will kill this draft.

I know it is only mocks but on most of the simulations I have done which is probably 50+  (thanks Covid) Love is nowhere near the first round.

On the other hand - Herbert falls quite often down into to 22 and about 5 teams offer a trade up to grab him at 22.  The first one is the Saints who we can move down from 22 to 24 and get 88 and more.  But 88 is outside that window and not enough. But Indy is also in play at 34.  We can get 34, 44, 75 to drop down those 12 spots.  Teams go overboard for QB's and we can do very well if any QB that a team "Love's". I would take the Indy scenario.  Even the 75 pick we can use with others to get up into the late 50's and pick up a remaining stud.

My dream scenario is Love falls to 25 and the Colts panic and we land #34 and #44...

This is @jordan3love in words and visual. Still believe someone jumps back into round 1 and drafts him #NFLDraft pic.twitter.com/e2fE57AtKf

— Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) April 21, 2020

The guy who ran out of the back of the end zone sees it too.