NFCN ONLY TRADES / RUMORS

JimmyinSD wrote:

Its not often MB and I are on the same page on something, but this one we seem to be. This team is more than just a struggling QB, hell JJMs performance in a NY after only a weeks should show us that there is something wrong with this system beyond the play of the QB. KOC struggled himself last night, his in game decisions were suspect, his play calling was questionable, and the performance of the side of the ball that is his to direct seemed like they were grossly unprepared to play football last night.
The most energy I saw from JJ last night was that final drive with Brosmer in there. He may be dinged a little, but he doesnt seem to be getting the explosive separation out of the breaks that we have seem from him in the past. I am hoping he's not suffering from lack of give a shit, although it would certainly be understandable.

So what's the plan for the rest of the season then? (Asking you the same question I asked MB)

pattersaur wrote:

So would you let KO play out the string this year and if the offense continues to stink, can him? Not saying that's the wrong move I'm just wondering what you would do if you're saying don't trade for a QB.

That’s exactly what he is saying, although there a few more dance moves prior to the dirty deed.

How the actual ph!*^k do we go down the shitcan path with a guy that wins 65% of his games and has the locker room and a 6-2 record.

I mean hell if it had to happen, I guess you hire bflo but we are saying that this offense (McVey’s) is shit now?

greediron wrote:

It is all about the QB. When he can't hit open WRs, no plays are going to work. Drives end and there are few plays to call. No rhythm, nothing to build on.
Wentz had terrible mechanics and was wildly off target. He was in fact worse that Murray had been.

its more than just a QB if you cant find a QB that can run the O. offenses dont need to be rocket science to be effective. some of the best are very simple, just executed at a high level.

pattersaur wrote:

So what's the plan for the rest of the season then? (Asking you the same question I asked MB)

cant say for sure, but I am sure not going to break the bank/future to bring in a guy that likely only plays 8 regular season games and isnt a good enough QB to go anywhere in the playoffs. throwing away a good D sucks, wasting another year of JJ sucks, but going all in should be an offseason move, not a mid season move when it comes to QB, the toughest position to learn in a hurry. I wonder how much of what KC ran is still the same today, or would it take half a year ( instead of 1.5 years) to get up close to comfortable, but even then he is still the pocket statue and charlie check down.

greediron wrote:

It is all about the QB. When he can't hit open WRs, no plays are going to work. Drives end and there are few plays to call. No rhythm, nothing to build on.
Wentz had terrible mechanics and was wildly off target. He was in fact worse that Murray had been.

The question you should be asking is WHY JJ, Kyler and Carson can't hit open receivers. Are they just inaccurate QBs? I don't think the evidence supports that. Murray has the 6th highest completion percentage in NFL history. Wentz has a career completion percentage of 63; it was 32 last night. JJ moved to the Giants (and an unfamiliar offense) and his completion percentage jumped significantly. When a QB is off target it's not always because he's inherently inaccurate. Sometimes it's about what's going on in his head, or how he did (or did not) prepare....or was prepared by his coaches.

JIT has a theory that losing Udinski hurt our ability to prepare. I think there might be some truth to that. I didn't really know much about him, but he was apparently responsible for researching opponents and preparing QBs. Trevor Lawrence is now an MVP candidate.

This season reminds me of the 2016 season when Teddy blew out his knee & Rick traded for Sam Bradford. That trade was made because we had a veteran team that was ready to win now. Similar situation with the generational defense that we don't want to waste this season.

MaroonBells wrote:

The question you should be asking is WHY JJ, Kyler and Carson can't hit open receivers. Are they just inaccurate QBs? I don't think the evidence supports that. Murray has the 6th highest completion percentage in NFL history. Wentz has a career completion percentage of 63; it was 32 last night. JJ moved to the Giants (and an unfamiliar offense) and his completion percentage jumped significantly. When a QB is off target it's not always because he's inherently inaccurate. Sometimes it's about what's going on in his head, or how he did (or did not) prepare....or was prepared by his coaches.
JIT has a theory that losing Udinski hurt our ability to prepare. I think there might be some truth to that. I didn't really know much about him, but he was apparently responsible for researching opponents and preparing QBs. Trevor Lawrence is now an MVP candidate.

So QBs can't hit open WRers....because Udinski isn't here anymore? 🤣 That's ummm....interesting?

MaroonBells wrote:

The question you should be asking is WHY JJ, Kyler and Carson can't hit open receivers. Are they just inaccurate QBs? I don't think the evidence supports that. Murray has the 6th highest completion percentage in NFL history. Wentz has a career completion percentage of 63; it was 32 last night. JJ moved to the Giants (and an unfamiliar offense) and his completion percentage jumped significantly. When a QB is off target it's not always because he's inherently inaccurate. Sometimes it's about what's going on in his head, or how he did (or did not) prepare....or was prepared by his coaches.
JIT has a theory that losing Udinski hurt our ability to prepare. I think there might be some truth to that. I didn't really know much about him, but he was apparently responsible for researching opponents and preparing QBs. Trevor Lawrence is now an MVP candidate.

JJ, Kyler, and Carson all were over hyped and nervous when playing for KOC. All playing in fear instead of with that 'calm mind'.

JJ in NY is hitting the back of his drops and unloading the ball, aggressively moving the ball down the field. In Minnesota he was tenative, held the ball, and over threw most of the time. Did play better in the hurry up offense when he didn't have to think.

Kyler drops back and starts crushing grapes with his feet which usually means the play called isn't going to work.

Carson couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.

Is it a leaky offensive line or coaching?

At what point do you consider firing the QB coach?

StickierBuns wrote:

So QBs can't hit open WRers....because Udinski isn't here anymore? 🤣 That's ummm....interesting?

Do you honestly think preparation doesn't impact accuracy? Consistency? Efficiency? No, I'm guessing you don't actually think that.

MaroonBells wrote:

The question you should be asking is WHY JJ, Kyler and Carson can't hit open receivers. Are they just inaccurate QBs? I don't think the evidence supports that. Murray has the 6th highest completion percentage in NFL history. Wentz has a career completion percentage of 63; it was 32 last night. JJ moved to the Giants (and an unfamiliar offense) and his completion percentage jumped significantly. When a QB is off target it's not always because he's inherently inaccurate. Sometimes it's about what's going on in his head, or how he did (or did not) prepare....or was prepared by his coaches.
JIT has a theory that losing Udinski hurt our ability to prepare. I think there might be some truth to that. I didn't really know much about him, but he was apparently responsible for researching opponents and preparing QBs. Trevor Lawrence is now an MVP candidate.

Wentz has bounced around for a while now for some reason. His mechanics were terrible last night. He was never a great technician, but rather an athlete. So last night isn't a surprise that he is suddenly terrible. He was better in week 1, but his mechanics were bad and the ball sailed on him. And he was pressing too much IMO.

JJM is young, hasn't been accurate in the NFL. He would have flashes, especially when he wasn't thinking. So maybe he is a better fit in NY, but I don't see him being much more than a potential backup if he can ever stay healthy.

Murray may be an anomaly. He was accurate before. But as many of us may have mentioned, he didn't seem a good fit in this offense. And he hasn't been.

Udinski is gone. Whether he was some genius, I don't know. But here we are. The scheme is getting people open. Just make the easy throws and it would be enough. Wentz couldn't even throw a bubble screen last night.

MaroonBells wrote:

Do you honestly think preparation doesn't impact accuracy? Consistency? Efficiency? No, I'm guessing you don't actually think that.

Popcorn eating time when fans fan.....its awesome.

IMO waiting this long to address ANY trade is foolhardy. The price would be prohibitive - That's why the genuine NFL GM's did it the last two weeks.

With 2 1/2 hours before trade deadline, gotta figure IF it happens, we're gonna get it up the @$$

The Quick and the Dead

no clue who broke it but they are saying Kirk is the target

AGRforever wrote:

no clue who broke it but they are saying Kirk is the target

Kirk’s agent, who has a gold jacket in holding teams over a barrel…!

AGRforever wrote:

no clue who broke it but they are saying Kirk is the target

It's the only thing that makes any sense at all. The comp is what worries me.

MaroonBells wrote:

It's the only thing that makes any sense at all. The comp is what worries me.

With their first pick in the 2027 NFL draft, the Minnesota Vikings select...Bob Schmedlap, punter from Northeastern School of the Deaf and Blind. The Vikings didn't have picks in rounds 1 - 6 since they traded them for Kirk Cousins...

I think Udinski leaving definitely impacted young JJM, those 2 were close. The grizzled vet qb's? Maybe not so much.

I have no idea who has Philips 8mm film on? But they let Udinski hit the road instead of a promo to OC and kept Bums grandkid instead.

And yah, look at how Trevor is playing better. Not coincidentally imo.

Its now 12:59 CT...

They got what? 2 hours to do something?

Here's a guess; they bring in Mullens for depth.

So here is what we know -

There are reports Kirk is the primary target, but they are also negotiating for Shedeur Sanders. Most likely outcome is Kirk for 3rd-to 5th that could improve with conditions. We will see if they get additional pieces.