Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
I dont think KC handles pressure very well and the pressure of lameblow stadium against the packers and finding himself down by 21 in what appeared to be a route before the offense even got a sweat going was likely a shit ton of pressure on him... I honestly think the guy is in his own head to much, I doubt that anything anybody else can say is going to make him feel any worse about his performance than what he is already telling himself.
A different start to that game and I suspect we see a completely different KC.
I agree.
Shouldn't we expect more then a player that can win when everything goes good though? For the money I think we should.
well theres overcoming a slow start and there is being down 21 almost immediately. he has shown that he can battle with the good teams, last year at the rams comes to mind as well as some others. apparently down 21 was more than he was mentally prepared for?
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Kirk so far this 2nd year here has only proven he can win when he throws 10 times or less. He's not digressing is he?
It's got to get better...doesn't it?
It will get a lot better. In fact, I'm guessing that his owner in my fantasy league is going to drop him tonight and I'll get a pretty good QB2 for $0 FAAB. :-)
There is one argument to make that he just won't be good this year and that's the new offense. Cousins mentioned several times in camp that it was a challenge learning a new system. If that is still a problem and continues to be, then his problems could continue.
But it's not likely. Remember, there were games last year where this guy just couldn't miss. 400 yard games, 4 TD games, games where his accuracy was dead on. I expect there will be a few games like that this year, too.
I'm not sure that is the one (meaning only) argument that Cousins will have a very bad year: my real concern is that his attitude/confidence has been ruined. A year ago, in the tie against GB, he was great, and more importantly, he was confident and gutsy, making some amazing throws and good decisions. All those 400 yard or 4 TD games were early (and when he may have been still learning JDF's new offense). But with the turnovers and the overall team issues, by the second half of 2018 he looked like a different player and that's still how he looked last Sunday. Against Atlanta, he didn't have to do much. As for his comments about the new offense, does that really reflect his difficulty learning it - or that he doesn't like that his team has planned, and made it clear in public, that they are shifting to an offense that will minimize the need for him to throw much?
Maybe he's just a streaky, great game / terrible game type of passer, and that will lead to at least as many good Sundays as bad ones, and that a third of our games will be like Atlanta where we don't even need him. That could get this team to a winning record but it might be pretty hollow and almost certainly lead to a quick playoff exit.
No, I can't prove this, but my opinion is that Zimmer is only good with quarterbacks as long as they are playing low-risk mistake-free football, but with any challenges or even excitement, he gets critical and makes their problems worse, not better. Keenum seemed to just have a hell-with-it attitude that kept him from really caring that Zimmer was criticizing him even after wins, and he had Pat Shurmur keeping Zimmer away. Cousins has had 2 young OCs that probably don't lock Zimmer out of the QB room when he's pissed off...maybe Kubiak does, but I get the impression he's more involved with blocking schemes and game planning than in rebuilding QB confidence. We'll see..
Is it possible that a remarkably accurate QB who has been in the NFL for 8 seasons and has thrown for over 4,000 yards for 4 straight seasons, with a 66% completion percentage, a 2-to-1 TD-to-INT ratio and a career passer rating that hovers around 100...suddenly has forgotten how to play QB? And what we got on Sunday is "WHO HE IS" now? Yeah, I suppose it is. It's just not very likely. In fact, I think it's pretty ridiculous.
Like I said in a previous post, Cousins has his flaws, but accuracy ain't one of them. On Sunday against the Packers his problems showed up to the party, but they brought an ugly friend we hadn't seen before--a lack of accuracy. Those things combined to give us what was probably his worst day as a pro.
There are things you can develop in a QB and things that are inherent. Accuracy is one of the inherent things. You either have it or you don't. There are external elements that will affect it temporarily (like pressure or a sore arm, for example), but for the most part, until age-related decline happens, if it's good it stays good, and if it's bad it stays bad. And in Cousins, it's always been pretty good. That is why I'm not overly concerned about what happened on Sunday. Forget the fumbles and the ill-advised pass (I'm afraid that's just who he is). The biggest problem was the accuracy. That miss to Diggs, the other to Rudy in the endzone. That sort of stuff won't continue.
I put that on Diggs. Watch it again if you can, Diggs slowed down very briefly before he saw the ball was coming his way. That is why he was so upset and lay on the field IMO. He knew he gave up on it and cost him a huge catch.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Kirk so far this 2nd year here has only proven he can win when he throws 10 times or less. He's not digressing is he?
It's got to get better...doesn't it?
It will get a lot better. In fact, I'm guessing that his owner in my fantasy league is going to drop him tonight and I'll get a pretty good QB2 for $0 FAAB. :-)
There is one argument to make that he just won't be good this year and that's the new offense. Cousins mentioned several times in camp that it was a challenge learning a new system. If that is still a problem and continues to be, then his problems could continue.
But it's not likely. Remember, there were games last year where this guy just couldn't miss. 400 yard games, 4 TD games, games where his accuracy was dead on. I expect there will be a few games like that this year, too.
I'm not sure that is the one (meaning only) argument that Cousins will have a very bad year: my real concern is that his attitude/confidence has been ruined. A year ago, in the tie against GB, he was great, and more importantly, he was confident and gutsy, making some amazing throws and good decisions. All those 400 yard or 4 TD games were early (and when he may have been still learning JDF's new offense). But with the turnovers and the overall team issues, by the second half of 2018 he looked like a different player and that's still how he looked last Sunday. Against Atlanta, he didn't have to do much. As for his comments about the new offense, does that really reflect his difficulty learning it - or that he doesn't like that his team has planned, and made it clear in public, that they are shifting to an offense that will minimize the need for him to throw much?
Maybe he's just a streaky, great game / terrible game type of passer, and that will lead to at least as many good Sundays as bad ones, and that a third of our games will be like Atlanta where we don't even need him. That could get this team to a winning record but it might be pretty hollow and almost certainly lead to a quick playoff exit.
No, I can't prove this, but my opinion is that Zimmer is only good with quarterbacks as long as they are playing low-risk mistake-free football, but with any challenges or even excitement, he gets critical and makes their problems worse, not better. Keenum seemed to just have a hell-with-it attitude that kept him from really caring that Zimmer was criticizing him even after wins, and he had Pat Shurmur keeping Zimmer away. Cousins has had 2 young OCs that probably don't lock Zimmer out of the QB room when he's pissed off...maybe Kubiak does, but I get the impression he's more involved with blocking schemes and game planning than in rebuilding QB confidence. We'll see..
Is it possible that a remarkably accurate QB who has been in the NFL for 8 seasons and has thrown for over 4,000 yards for 4 straight seasons, with a 66% completion percentage, a 2-to-1 TD-to-INT ratio and a career passer rating that hovers around 100...suddenly has forgotten how to play QB? And what we got on Sunday is "WHO HE IS" now? Yeah, I suppose it is. It's just not very likely. In fact, I think it's pretty ridiculous.
Like I said in a previous post, Cousins has his flaws, but accuracy ain't one of them. On Sunday against the Packers his problems showed up to the party, but they brought an ugly friend we hadn't seen before--a lack of accuracy. Those things combined to give us what was probably his worst day as a pro.
There are things you can develop in a QB and things that are inherent. Accuracy is one of the inherent things. You either have it or you don't. There are external elements that will affect it temporarily (like pressure or a sore arm, for example), but for the most part, until age-related decline happens, if it's good it stays good, and if it's bad it stays bad. And in Cousins, it's always been pretty good. That is why I'm not overly concerned about what happened on Sunday. Forget the fumbles and the ill-advised pass (I'm afraid that's just who he is). The biggest problem was the accuracy. That miss to Diggs, the other to Rudy in the endzone. That sort of stuff won't continue.
I put that on Diggs. Watch it again if you can, Diggs slowed down very briefly before he saw the ball was coming his way. That is why he was so upset and lay on the field IMO. He knew he gave up on it and cost him a huge catch.
I agree that he let up, but I think he knocked the air out of himself....that was a full lay out if there ever was one.
I don't think it's the scoreboard as much as it's about his own personal adversity play to play. I think he walks out to the huddle down 7 like it never happened. He walks out to the huddle down 14 feeling pressured by a couple incompletions on the previous drive - fumbles on back to back plays. Down 21, we run it into the endzone after another incompletion. Green Bay fumbles on their next possession, and now we have a serious opportunity to grab a hold of this game. Kirk throws 2 incompletions and we go 3 and out... he never snapped out of it.
Maybe that touchdown pass called back for OPI would have been a big underrated momentum booster for him...
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