Didnt have to go past the part where it says from the Atlantic.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ savannahskol said:
Yes, Obama separated families at the border, too.
McClatchy ^^ liberal source.
Obama separated families only when the parents were determined to be a threat to the children or they had to be held pending criminal investigation. No one seems to know how many families were separated but I don't think most reasonable people would have a problem with that policy. The problem is with Trump's racist motivation and zero-tolerance policy which saw the separation of over 2,600 children.
From Ivar's link: "The Obama administration’s willingness to allow millions of undocumented immigrants to seek citizenship is not simply a minor difference with the Trump administration. It illustrates a stark difference in motivation. Trump’s harsh policies are the product of his view that Latin American immigrants will “infest” the U.S., changing the character of the country. It is a racialized view of citizenship, one that perceives white Americans as the nation’s rightful inheritors and the rest of us as interlopers. It is a worldview both antithetical to the American creed and inseparable from its execution."
You mis-quote...your quote "From Ivar's link: "The Obama administration's......."
You left out the first word of the paragraph quote, which more precisely read: "Yet the Obama administrations....." Tape don't lie. 
Why is that important? "Yet" is a key qualifier to what came before, in the Atlantic link.
Here is the paragraph, before your quote.
"Barack Obama’s administration spent years pursuing record numbers of deportations while exempting certain categories of undocumented immigrants from deportation. In some cases, it even deported unaccompanied minors. But at the same time, the Obama administration supported a pathway to legal status for undocumented immigrants in the United States. Obama’s defenders would no doubt argue that he paired harsh enforcement as a strategy for bringing Republicans to the table on an immigration deal. But that would not erase the suffering caused by Obama’s policies, in pursuit of a deal that was never made."
^^ that's important precursory info/flavor to your (mis) quoted paragraph, no? Nice try, MB.
And this sleight of hand: "Trump’s harsh policies are the product of his view that Latin American immigrants will “infest” the U.S., changing the character of the country."
You and the Atlantic are implying Latin American immigrants are an "infestation", per Trump.
Here is the actual (mis-quoted/attributed) Trump tweet:
![[Image: kUuht00m_bigger.jpg]](https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/874276197357596672/kUuht00m_bigger.jpg) Democrats are the problem. They don’t care about crime and want illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they may be, to pour into and infest our Country, like MS-13. They can’t win on their terrible policies, so they view them as potential voters!
9:52 AM - Jun 19, 2018
^^Trump did not say/tweet "Latin American immigrants"; he tweeted "illegal immigrants" and most specifically "MS-13".
This defamatory mis-conflation is getting old.
Now... back to family separation, under Obama.
As you admit, around 2,600 separated under Trump (best #'s I've seen reported around 2000, but oh well)
Could we get a clue of the Obama separated #'s from this passage?
"No numbers on children separated from their parents under Obama is available because the Obama administration didn’t keep them, according to Trump DHS officials.Leon Fresco, a deputy assistant attorney general under Obama, who defended that administration’s use of family detention in court, acknowledged that some fathers were separated from children.Most fathers and children were released together, often times with an ankle bracelet. Fresco said there were cases where the administration held fathers who were carrying drugs or caught with other contraband who had to be separated from their children."ICE could not devise a safe way where men and children could be in detention together in one facility,” Fresco said. “It was deemed too much of a security risk.”One of the most controversial measures that Obama took was to resurrect the almost-abandoned practice of detaining mothers and children to deter future illegal immigration. The government had one lightly used 100-bed facility in central Pennsylvania and added three larger facilities in Texas and New Mexico holding thousands."
Now would be a good time for me to post you-tube anti-illegal immigration videos from Dems suggesting US policy should be at least as "harsh" as Trump's, from:
Shirley Chisholm
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama
Joe Biden
But, I won't pile on. 
@savannahskol
Dude, you're not saying anything here. Like nearly all of your posts, you disguise your inability to make a cogent point with volume...and links...and quotes...and red herrings ("yet"). But they're typically volumes and volumes of sound and fury, signifying nothing. And so I almost never read them. I read this one only because I happened to read your last post on reparations, which actually made some sense.
Again, you, like Trump, said "Obama separated families, too." We all know this. But there's a HUGE distinction here, also known as THE POINT, that you're not addressing. As a matter of policy, Obama separated families only when the parents were deemed a risk to the children or were held pending criminal investigation. And this policy was part of a larger immigration policy supporting paths to citizenship.
Trump's zero-tolerance policy is FAR different than that and has resulted in thousands of families being separated. The ACLU puts that number at 2,654.
Now....why don't you just say, "hell yeah! Go Trump! That's why I voted for him. I don't support paths to citizenship, I don't support Obama's policy. I support Trump's...." instead of desperately drawing a false equivalency to what happened in the Obama administration.
So yeah, "yet" is not a acting as a qualifier here. It's acting as a conjunction. It does not alter the meaning of the paragraph that comes before or after. An example of "yet" acting as a qualifier would be "savannahskol has not been able to address the point....yet."
Why not pass legislation to improve the legal entry into this country, and stop playing these horseshit games?
Did Trump have the same policy as Obama? Yup.
Were pictures of children in “cages” during Obama’s administration passed off as Trump’s detentions. Yup.
Are children being brought across by non-parents acting as parents? Yup.
Are criminals exploiting the weak border system? Yup.
Are women and children raped on their journeys? Yup.
Are idiots like Soros exploiting this crap for political gain? Yup.
Do the democrats think these illegal trespassers entitled to health insurance, voting rights, and welfare benefits? Yup.
The left should stop playing games. Fix the laws. Improve the legal immigration process. And secure the border.
Pass laws that only citizens are entitled to benefits.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@savannahskol
Dude, you're not saying anything here. Like nearly all of your posts, you disguise your inability to make a cogent point with volume...and links...and quotes...and red herrings ("yet"). But they're typically volumes and volumes of sound and fury, signifying nothing. And so I almost never read them.
Read my posts as you would Joyce, Proust or Woolf.
”stream of consciousness”
My posts will then make perfect sense. B)
I can honestly say that our current immigration system is fucked.
To solve it really is quite simple but it wont win votes from either side.
First and foremost you secure the boarder so we can know exactly where we stand and exactly who is coming in.
Then we dramatically increase work visas and significantly reduce wait times by hiring more people to get the job done. I dont know the proper number? 10x?? 25x??
You punish people who break our laws and or over stay visas by not letting them in again.
If you catch somebody smuggling in fake children you lock them up as predators and or never let them in.
You withdrawl troops, equipment and monetary resources from the middle east and god knows where else to assist and pay for all this.
You require immigrants to work. F giving them free shit. If theyre coming here as an immigrant or refugee theyre required to work and make a living.
We need to quit acting lime these people are talking points and fix the broken system. Currently neither side wants to give an inch and frankly until that time happens we’re going to continue to gave human suffering at the hands of both the Ds and Rs.
|
