Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
@ Zanary said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
What happened to Republicans who wanted to defend our country from attack, and knew that Russia, Saudia Arabia and North Korea are not our friends and not to be trusted? Now they don't care Trump refuses to safeguard our elections and welcomes Russian influence? Can you imagine the outrage if the tables were turned, and the Dems refused to stop Russian interference in the next election after finding out Russians helped them win the last one?
Ya'll just threw your morals out the window, rolled over and spread your cheeks for a tiny little orange sausage instead.
Just a reminder...regarding the DNC and its fan club being the biggest hypocrites imaginable:
The Hildebeast and Obama helped supply Russia with uranium. Compared to that, "Meullergate" is insignificant as a dust mote.
The Hildebeast didn't mind Saudis donating to her foundation while she was butt-surfing the Bernie Sanders followers with help from the DNC...
...and while Trumplestilskin won't directly comment on protecting 2020 (because he's, y'know, both stupid and corrupt), 2016 was under Obama's watch...but blaming him for anything is apparently unthinkable in many circles.
Obama was also Putin's bitch during the Crimea occupation and in the talks with Iran.
No high ground for either "main" trash piles.
I can't comprehend being a fan of either.
Oh Zanary.
Uranium? You're one of the conspiracy theorists now too?
Russia was never supplied with uranium. A Canadian mine company sold their mining operation to a Russian company. They received an approval where they could ship some uranium to Canada and then ship it back to USA for processing but nothing went to Russia.
Neither Obama nor Hillary can approve a sale of uranium. That's handled by a 9-member panel of CFIUS - Committee of Foreign Investments.
Feel free to read the facts surrounding Uranium One here - LONG BEEN DEBUNKED:
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one/
First, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission had to approve the transfer of two uranium recovery licenses in Wyoming from Uranium One to the Russian company. The NRC announced it approved the transfer on Nov. 24, 2010. But, as the NRC explained at the time, “no uranium produced at either facility may be exported.”
As NRC explained in a March 2011 letter to Republican Sen. John Barrasso of Wyoming, the Russian company would have to apply for and obtain an export license and “commit to use the material only for peaceful purposes” in accordance with “the U.S.-Russia Atomic Energy Act Section 123 agreement for peaceful nuclear cooperation.”
In a June 2015 letter to Rep. Peter Visclosky, the NRC said it granted RSB Logistics Services an amendment to its export license in 2012 to allow the Kentucky shipping company to export uranium to Canada from various sources — including from a Uranium One site in Wyoming. The NRC said that the export license allowed RSB to ship uranium to a conversion plant in Canada and then back to the United States for further processing.
Canada must obtain U.S. approval to transfer any U.S. uranium to any country other than the United States, the letter says.
“Please be assured that no Uranium One, Inc.-produced uranium has been shipped directly to Russia and the U.S. Government has not authorized any country to re-transfer U.S. uranium to Russia,” the 2015 letter said.
...and yet, it's been re-examined since then...(there is a DOJ link within the text, much newer than 2015):
https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/cr...ussia-deal
Apparently, ripples from that deal still have a familiar stink to them. Please inform the DOJ that they're wrong to continue investigating...!
John Birch and William Jasper may just have conspiracy bent to it.
Mnuchin goes against the law by refusing to release Trump's taxes to the Ways and Means Committee.
Nothing to hide though, of course...
Quote: @KingBash said:
Mnuchin goes against the law by refusing to release Trump's taxes to the Ways and Means Committee.
Nothing to hide though, of course...
Not sure how I feel on this one. The precedent has been established that Candidates/Presidents hand over their prior tax forms. But its not required by law that I can find. If I were any Presidents financial advisor I would tell them not to hand them over just for privacy concerns but that's just me.
From Trumps perspective at this point what is there to gain by handing them over?
From the democrats perspective they're looking for bombshells in the returns. Its already been shown that they'll make stuff up even when there legitimately isn't anything. Frankly if Trump was hiding "Russian payments" or whatever you're
looking for don't you think he'd be smart enough to hide them under one
of his many companies?
To add to that. What returns would make you happy? His personal return? Or are you talking every return from every business he has interest in? If its the later and I had shared interest in said business the returns probably aren't obtainable without some major legal battles.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ KingBash said:
Mnuchin goes against the law by refusing to release Trump's taxes to the Ways and Means Committee.
Nothing to hide though, of course...
Not sure how I feel on this one. The precedent has been established that Candidates/Presidents hand over their prior tax forms. But its not required by law that I can find. If I were any Presidents financial advisor I would tell them not to hand them over just for privacy concerns but that's just me.
Oh it's not required by law, but it's done in good faith to show transparency and that there's nothing to hide. What we're all upset over is that the fucking liar said he'd release them, then says he's under audit and can't (which is a lie, both that he's under audit AND that you can't release them when you're under audit), and now he and his cronies are doing everything they can to keep them secretive.
From Trumps perspective at this point what is there to gain by handing them over?
Nothing. In fact, he has everything to lose and he knows it.
From the democrats perspective they're looking for bombshells in the returns. Its already been shown that they'll make stuff up even when there legitimately isn't anything. Frankly if Trump was hiding "Russian payments" or whatever you're
looking for don't you think he'd be smart enough to hide them under one
of his many companies?
I think they're going after not only his personal, but his businesses too.
To add to that. What returns would make you happy? His personal return? Or are you talking every return from every business he has interest in? If its the later and I had shared interest in said business the returns probably aren't obtainable without some major legal battles.
Never once has it occurred to you to think, Why is he fighting so hard to keep all of this a secret? And let's hold a mirror to this: if this were 2008 and it were Obama, would you be having this stance? This would be outrage (and rightfully so!) if Obama did any of this, especially had one of his stooge appointments go out and say that he wasn't going to release the returns when he has a legal obligation to do so.
That's always my litmus test with you guys. "If a Democrat did this, would you be as 'fair?'" I'd guess you guys would be apoplectic, insisting Obama was a Russian asset. And I'd be right there with you. Really, I would.
One more question since I truly believe this is how things could play out in 2020: let's say Trump loses the electoral college (I actually think he'll win, but if he doesn't), do you REALLY see him accepting it? He's not going anywhere. We're stuck with this guy. He'll rewrite history to keep the White House, crying Russian interference caused him to lose, the Democrats rigged it, etc. He won't go willingly. I know I sound like an alarmist here, but we've got him for quite awhile past 2020 I suspect. This will get extremely ugly for the United States.
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ KingBash said:
Mnuchin goes against the law by refusing to release Trump's taxes to the Ways and Means Committee.
Nothing to hide though, of course...
Not sure how I feel on this one. The precedent has been established that Candidates/Presidents hand over their prior tax forms. But its not required by law that I can find. If I were any Presidents financial advisor I would tell them not to hand them over just for privacy concerns but that's just me.
Oh it's not required by law, but it's done in good faith to show transparency and that there's nothing to hide. What we're all upset over is that the fucking liar said he'd release them, then says he's under audit and can't (which is a lie, both that he's under audit AND that you can't release them when you're under audit), and now he and his cronies are doing everything they can to keep them secretive.
From Trumps perspective at this point what is there to gain by handing them over?
Nothing. In fact, he has everything to lose and he knows it.
From the democrats perspective they're looking for bombshells in the returns. Its already been shown that they'll make stuff up even when there legitimately isn't anything. Frankly if Trump was hiding "Russian payments" or whatever you're
looking for don't you think he'd be smart enough to hide them under one
of his many companies?
I think they're going after not only his personal, but his businesses too.
To add to that. What returns would make you happy? His personal return? Or are you talking every return from every business he has interest in? If its the later and I had shared interest in said business the returns probably aren't obtainable without some major legal battles.
Never once has it occurred to you to think, Why is he fighting so hard to keep all of this a secret? And let's hold a mirror to this: if this were 2008 and it were Obama, would you be having this stance? This would be outrage (and rightfully so!) if Obama did any of this, especially had one of his stooge appointments go out and say that he wasn't going to release the returns when he has a legal obligation to do so.
That's always my litmus test with you guys. "If a Democrat did this, would you be as 'fair?'" I'd guess you guys would be apoplectic, insisting Obama was a Russian asset. And I'd be right there with you. Really, I would.
One more question since I truly believe this is how things could play out in 2020: let's say Trump loses the electoral college (I actually think he'll win, but if he doesn't), do you REALLY see him accepting it? He's not going anywhere. We're stuck with this guy. He'll rewrite history to keep the White House, crying Russian interference caused him to lose, the Democrats rigged it, etc. He won't go willingly. I know I sound like an alarmist here, but we've got him for quite awhile past 2020 I suspect. This will get extremely ugly for the United States.
absolutley not. if he loses the electoral college I expect him to peacefully turn over the keys on anuguration day just as has every president that hasnt died in office has done.
Ill gladly storm DC with you if it doesnt go down that way. There were republican over reacting about Obama staying past his term in 16 as well. Obviuosly nothing came of that and nothing will come of Trump leaving office in 2021 or 2025.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ KingBash said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ KingBash said:
Mnuchin goes against the law by refusing to release Trump's taxes to the Ways and Means Committee.
Nothing to hide though, of course...
Not sure how I feel on this one. The precedent has been established that Candidates/Presidents hand over their prior tax forms. But its not required by law that I can find. If I were any Presidents financial advisor I would tell them not to hand them over just for privacy concerns but that's just me.
Oh it's not required by law, but it's done in good faith to show transparency and that there's nothing to hide. What we're all upset over is that the fucking liar said he'd release them, then says he's under audit and can't (which is a lie, both that he's under audit AND that you can't release them when you're under audit), and now he and his cronies are doing everything they can to keep them secretive.
From Trumps perspective at this point what is there to gain by handing them over?
Nothing. In fact, he has everything to lose and he knows it.
From the democrats perspective they're looking for bombshells in the returns. Its already been shown that they'll make stuff up even when there legitimately isn't anything. Frankly if Trump was hiding "Russian payments" or whatever you're
looking for don't you think he'd be smart enough to hide them under one
of his many companies?
I think they're going after not only his personal, but his businesses too.
To add to that. What returns would make you happy? His personal return? Or are you talking every return from every business he has interest in? If its the later and I had shared interest in said business the returns probably aren't obtainable without some major legal battles.
Never once has it occurred to you to think, Why is he fighting so hard to keep all of this a secret? And let's hold a mirror to this: if this were 2008 and it were Obama, would you be having this stance? This would be outrage (and rightfully so!) if Obama did any of this, especially had one of his stooge appointments go out and say that he wasn't going to release the returns when he has a legal obligation to do so.
That's always my litmus test with you guys. "If a Democrat did this, would you be as 'fair?'" I'd guess you guys would be apoplectic, insisting Obama was a Russian asset. And I'd be right there with you. Really, I would.
One more question since I truly believe this is how things could play out in 2020: let's say Trump loses the electoral college (I actually think he'll win, but if he doesn't), do you REALLY see him accepting it? He's not going anywhere. We're stuck with this guy. He'll rewrite history to keep the White House, crying Russian interference caused him to lose, the Democrats rigged it, etc. He won't go willingly. I know I sound like an alarmist here, but we've got him for quite awhile past 2020 I suspect. This will get extremely ugly for the United States.
absolutley not. if he loses the electoral college I expect him to peacefully turn over the keys on anuguration day just as has every president that hasnt died in office has done.
Ill gladly storm DC with you if it doesnt go down that way. There were republican over reacting about Obama staying past his term in 16 as well. Obviuosly nothing came of that and nothing will come of Trump leaving office in 2021 or 2025.
I hope you're right.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ KingBash said:
Mnuchin goes against the law by refusing to release Trump's taxes to the Ways and Means Committee.
Nothing to hide though, of course...
Not sure how I feel on this one. The precedent has been established that Candidates/Presidents hand over their prior tax forms. But its not required by law that I can find. If I were any Presidents financial advisor I would tell them not to hand them over just for privacy concerns but that's just me.
From Trumps perspective at this point what is there to gain by handing them over?
From the democrats perspective they're looking for bombshells in the returns. Its already been shown that they'll make stuff up even when there legitimately isn't anything. Frankly if Trump was hiding "Russian payments" or whatever you're
looking for don't you think he'd be smart enough to hide them under one
of his many companies?
To add to that. What returns would make you happy? His personal return? Or are you talking every return from every business he has interest in? If its the later and I had shared interest in said business the returns probably aren't obtainable without some major legal battles.
We will see, but the Tax Lawyers say it pretty clear cut case, for the House Way and Means using tax code 6103, its how the House went after Lois Lerner in 2014 for targeting conservative tax exempt entities. Public disclosure is the grey area, but since that precedent has been established.“One exception is within Section 6103(f), which stipulates that the
Senate Finance and House Ways and Means committees may access
confidential taxpayer information in closed executive session and may
publicly share that information only after obtaining taxpayer consent,”
he wrote.
“During the April 9 Ways and Means executive session to mark up the
letter to the Justice Department, Camp said the letter would become
public record upon its being voted to the House, a move he said was made
under the authority of Section 6103(f)(4)(A) and after consulting with
the House parliamentarian and counsel and with the Joint Committee on
Taxation,”
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/6103
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la...story.html
https://www.accountingweb.com/tax/irs/di...e-tax-code
Get the feeling luck is running out, and IRS will have to release the info.
Interesting. He’s certainly dragged his feet releasing them. Itll be interesting to see whats in them if in fact we end up seeing them.
My guess is he’s no where as wealthy as he claims and although taxes wont show networth you can deduce quite a bit from them.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
Interesting. He’s certainly dragged his feet releasing them. Itll be interesting to see whats in them if in fact we end up seeing them.
My guess is he’s no where as wealthy as he claims and although taxes wont show networth you can deduce quite a bit from them.
My guess - as is becoming more and more clear every year - is that it shows how disastrously bad of a businessman he was/is.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html
That's new today. The guy has been a fraud since day one, but ran on a platform of being savvy deal-maker. I'll admit, I never watched The Apprentice. In 2015, my only knowledge of him was his hotels and casinos and that he was always in the headlines for being such a massive financial success. But it didn't take long for my opinion to change by simply paying attention to what was slowly being unearthed in late 2015/early 2016.
How he duped so many people for so long (and continues to do so) blows my mind.
Also: tied in with that, I'm sure there are more ties to Russia in there. Nothing intentionally traitorous I'd assume, just more of his failed career on display for the Russians that could give them leverage.
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