It gets awfully quiet around here when liberals are confronted with the realities of their utopian policies.
Quote: @pumpf said:
It gets awfully quiet around here when liberals are confronted with the realities of their utopian policies.
Or I have family in town. Dick.
Quote: @pumpf said:
It gets awfully quiet around here when liberals are confronted with the realities of their utopian policies.
I just want to know if its ok to ship illegal immigrant detainee overflow population to sanctuary cities or not? We're not supposed to detain them and just let them lose right? Can we not give them a bus ticket to pretty much anywhere on the West coast or New York or Chicago where they're wanted?
Quote: @pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
For not living there, you sure do seem to care a lot about the white people at the border... not so much the brown people. So which is it? This is an issue you take very seriously, or are you gonna go the "hey, I don't live there" route. And theoretically, shouldn't a Christian side with those affected most by the "humanitarian crisis?" Those people who are trying to migrate for a better life? Wouldn't a better solution be to work towards a solution that helps the Mexicans trying to come here AND appeasing the white people at the border? Building a wall seems very lazy to me... not what Jesus would've wanted.
But what do I know, I'm not a Christian...
A few questions:
Do YOU love people? How many homeless people are currently living with you? (Well, none: because if they were living with you they wouldn't be homeless) You have declared that love means giving people your stuff: no matter how many there are... or what they want. So, before you attack others... maybe you should prove that YOUR concern for others is genuine?
I never declared that love means giving people your stuff. As usual, you're twisting my words. And also: I'm not the Christian. You're the one who claims to be. I AM declaring I think you're an awful Christian since you're riddled with hypocrisy.
My whole point was that your solution is a lazy one: build a wall. Shouldn't you be burning calories working/thinking how we can make life better for everybody? Not just Americans, but the Mexicans migrating this direction?
Second of all, are you suggesting that only white people are bothered by our current border crisis? That seems a bit racist (to suggest that all people think exactly like everyone else that shares the same level of skin pigmentation). They don't have thoughts of their own... just the thoughts that you (a white guy) THINK they ought to think? Interesting.
Wow, ya got me! I'm a racist!
I certainly stereotype. I've never denied that. And yes, as a generality, skin color seems to bond human beings together. It's readily identifiable. I'm not saying it's right, nor are there outliers. I'm sure there are plenty of white people down there that would welcome the Mexicans and plenty of Hispanics that want stricter rules. There are also plenty of black guys with small dicks, but who's kidding who. What was your point with that paragraph?
Do you really believe that the Christian religion's "rules" for individuals ought to be the template for our country's policies on economics, foreign affairs and immigration?
Fuck no! I want religion completely thrown out! I was - again - point out your hypocrisy. I generally try to live my life under one simple rule: be nice to people/try to put yourself in their position. I TRY to live like that. I fail all the time. But I'm smart enough to set an ideal that the best way to solve this border "crisis" isn't to demonize and call the immigrants animals like the Trump administration does. That's divisive. I also think it's unwise to think that they're all wonderful people coming over and to ignore the fact that sex trafficking and a drug problem do exist. The solution lies somewhere in the middle.
And, since you're not a Christian, let me explain to you that we are under the authority of the gov't. And, inasmuch as the gov't doesn't try to force us to go against the Bible's teachings, we are obligated to obey the gov't. Of course, a reasonable person would suggest that unjust laws (in their opinion) should be changed through the legislative process- not by simply refusing to obey them. Rather than make silly assertions, why don't you try to win me over by the logic of your rhetoric? Is your position on this issue so weak- that you have no other option than offering non-sequitur attacks?
Over the years on this board, I've made many salient points. I'm sure you have too, as have greed, A1janitor, etc. I probably could spend some time writing a more coherent, thoughtful response, but I'll never change anybody's mind here. It's not in our nature. This thread is therapeutic, a place for people to vent. Don't kid yourself, your mind is made up and so is mine.
Since I'm having my morning coffee, I'll respond to your shot across the bow. In red above.
Snopes is here again https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-animals-hitler/
On the Trump animal comment. Even liberal snopes calls it a mixture and taken out of context:
What's True
Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party consistently described Jewish people as animals.
What's False
Neither of the quotes offered in a popular meme featuring
Hitler and Trump was a literal one, and Trump's quote more specifically
described MS-13 gang members as "animals."
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
For not living there, you sure do seem to care a lot about the white people at the border... not so much the brown people. So which is it? This is an issue you take very seriously, or are you gonna go the "hey, I don't live there" route. And theoretically, shouldn't a Christian side with those affected most by the "humanitarian crisis?" Those people who are trying to migrate for a better life? Wouldn't a better solution be to work towards a solution that helps the Mexicans trying to come here AND appeasing the white people at the border? Building a wall seems very lazy to me... not what Jesus would've wanted.
But what do I know, I'm not a Christian...
A few questions:
Do YOU love people? How many homeless people are currently living with you? (Well, none: because if they were living with you they wouldn't be homeless) You have declared that love means giving people your stuff: no matter how many there are... or what they want. So, before you attack others... maybe you should prove that YOUR concern for others is genuine?
I never declared that love means giving people your stuff. As usual, you're twisting my words. And also: I'm not the Christian. You're the one who claims to be. I AM declaring I think you're an awful Christian since you're riddled with hypocrisy.
My whole point was that your solution is a lazy one: build a wall. Shouldn't you be burning calories working/thinking how we can make life better for everybody? Not just Americans, but the Mexicans migrating this direction?
Second of all, are you suggesting that only white people are bothered by our current border crisis? That seems a bit racist (to suggest that all people think exactly like everyone else that shares the same level of skin pigmentation). They don't have thoughts of their own... just the thoughts that you (a white guy) THINK they ought to think? Interesting.
Wow, ya got me! I'm a racist!
I certainly stereotype. I've never denied that. And yes, as a generality, skin color seems to bond human beings together. It's readily identifiable. I'm not saying it's right, nor are there outliers. I'm sure there are plenty of white people down there that would welcome the Mexicans and plenty of Hispanics that want stricter rules. There are also plenty of black guys with small dicks, but who's kidding who. What was your point with that paragraph?
Do you really believe that the Christian religion's "rules" for individuals ought to be the template for our country's policies on economics, foreign affairs and immigration?
Fuck no! I want religion completely thrown out! I was - again - point out your hypocrisy. I generally try to live my life under one simple rule: be nice to people/try to put yourself in their position. I TRY to live like that. I fail all the time. But I'm smart enough to set an ideal that the best way to solve this border "crisis" isn't to demonize and call the immigrants animals like the Trump administration does. That's divisive. I also think it's unwise to think that they're all wonderful people coming over and to ignore the fact that sex trafficking and a drug problem do exist. The solution lies somewhere in the middle.
And, since you're not a Christian, let me explain to you that we are under the authority of the gov't. And, inasmuch as the gov't doesn't try to force us to go against the Bible's teachings, we are obligated to obey the gov't. Of course, a reasonable person would suggest that unjust laws (in their opinion) should be changed through the legislative process- not by simply refusing to obey them. Rather than make silly assertions, why don't you try to win me over by the logic of your rhetoric? Is your position on this issue so weak- that you have no other option than offering non-sequitur attacks?
Over the years on this board, I've made many salient points. I'm sure you have too, as have greed, A1janitor, etc. I probably could spend some time writing a more coherent, thoughtful response, but I'll never change anybody's mind here. It's not in our nature. This thread is therapeutic, a place for people to vent. Don't kid yourself, your mind is made up and so is mine.
Since I'm having my morning coffee, I'll respond to your shot across the bow. In red above.
Great. Now can you offer any better solutions to the ones you have rejected?
Also: how can you call "enforcing immigration laws" hypocritical? You recognize the silliness of giving your stuff away... yet the US is supposed to "give our stuff away" to those who illegally here. How does that work? Is it like stealing from Wal-Mart: they have plenty of stuff, so it's OK to steal from them? I don't know; how do you justify having an "open borders" policy (yes, that's what it is- if you refuse to enforce the immigration laws)?
PS: By the way, it's not always about you. There are others in this thread- that when asked a point-blank question- have been completely silent. That's not you. But they know who they are.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
Snopes is here again https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-animals-hitler/
On the Trump animal comment. Even liberal snopes calls it a mixture and taken out of context:
What's True
Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party consistently described Jewish people as animals.
What's False
Neither of the quotes offered in a popular meme featuring
Hitler and Trump was a literal one, and Trump's quote more specifically
described MS-13 gang members as "animals."
Okay, well here it is: I was wrong. I stand corrected. (And yeah, I guess it made the rounds again recently - that's where I saw it.)
That's how it's done, by the way.
Quote: @pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
For not living there, you sure do seem to care a lot about the white people at the border... not so much the brown people. So which is it? This is an issue you take very seriously, or are you gonna go the "hey, I don't live there" route. And theoretically, shouldn't a Christian side with those affected most by the "humanitarian crisis?" Those people who are trying to migrate for a better life? Wouldn't a better solution be to work towards a solution that helps the Mexicans trying to come here AND appeasing the white people at the border? Building a wall seems very lazy to me... not what Jesus would've wanted.
But what do I know, I'm not a Christian...
A few questions:
Do YOU love people? How many homeless people are currently living with you? (Well, none: because if they were living with you they wouldn't be homeless) You have declared that love means giving people your stuff: no matter how many there are... or what they want. So, before you attack others... maybe you should prove that YOUR concern for others is genuine?
I never declared that love means giving people your stuff. As usual, you're twisting my words. And also: I'm not the Christian. You're the one who claims to be. I AM declaring I think you're an awful Christian since you're riddled with hypocrisy.
My whole point was that your solution is a lazy one: build a wall. Shouldn't you be burning calories working/thinking how we can make life better for everybody? Not just Americans, but the Mexicans migrating this direction?
Second of all, are you suggesting that only white people are bothered by our current border crisis? That seems a bit racist (to suggest that all people think exactly like everyone else that shares the same level of skin pigmentation). They don't have thoughts of their own... just the thoughts that you (a white guy) THINK they ought to think? Interesting.
Wow, ya got me! I'm a racist!
I certainly stereotype. I've never denied that. And yes, as a generality, skin color seems to bond human beings together. It's readily identifiable. I'm not saying it's right, nor are there outliers. I'm sure there are plenty of white people down there that would welcome the Mexicans and plenty of Hispanics that want stricter rules. There are also plenty of black guys with small dicks, but who's kidding who. What was your point with that paragraph?
Do you really believe that the Christian religion's "rules" for individuals ought to be the template for our country's policies on economics, foreign affairs and immigration?
Fuck no! I want religion completely thrown out! I was - again - point out your hypocrisy. I generally try to live my life under one simple rule: be nice to people/try to put yourself in their position. I TRY to live like that. I fail all the time. But I'm smart enough to set an ideal that the best way to solve this border "crisis" isn't to demonize and call the immigrants animals like the Trump administration does. That's divisive. I also think it's unwise to think that they're all wonderful people coming over and to ignore the fact that sex trafficking and a drug problem do exist. The solution lies somewhere in the middle.
And, since you're not a Christian, let me explain to you that we are under the authority of the gov't. And, inasmuch as the gov't doesn't try to force us to go against the Bible's teachings, we are obligated to obey the gov't. Of course, a reasonable person would suggest that unjust laws (in their opinion) should be changed through the legislative process- not by simply refusing to obey them. Rather than make silly assertions, why don't you try to win me over by the logic of your rhetoric? Is your position on this issue so weak- that you have no other option than offering non-sequitur attacks?
Over the years on this board, I've made many salient points. I'm sure you have too, as have greed, A1janitor, etc. I probably could spend some time writing a more coherent, thoughtful response, but I'll never change anybody's mind here. It's not in our nature. This thread is therapeutic, a place for people to vent. Don't kid yourself, your mind is made up and so is mine.
Since I'm having my morning coffee, I'll respond to your shot across the bow. In red above.
Great. Now can you offer any better solutions to the ones you have rejected?
Nope. Not at 10:30 on a Friday off the top of my head. And because I can't, I should stay silent on things I disagree with? Also, there's the fact that I'm not a policy maker.
Also: how can you call "enforcing immigration laws" hypocritical?
Because our policies right now are very non-Christian. You supporting them seems hypocritical to me. Honestly, the biggest thing is family separation. The fact that you don't completely disavow support for this administration on that alone is a sign your religious motives aren't what I'd expect out of a practicing Christian.
You recognize the silliness of giving your stuff away... yet the US is supposed to "give our stuff away" to those who illegally here. How does that work? Is it like stealing from Wal-Mart: they have plenty of stuff, so it's OK to steal from them? I don't know; how do you justify having an "open borders" policy (yes, that's what it is- if you refuse to enforce the immigration laws)?
This is why arguing with you is frustrating. You're making an argument that I'm not. Since it's late, I'll continue to be lazily vague: I think we can do a lot better than building a wall, relying on divisive speech, whipping up gun-toting conservatives into a frenzy on Fox News... That's not what I personally want as the mascot for this country. Sure, the citizens of the United States can have those thoughts, but our leaders should be espousing better values for us to draw from. Instead, he (and his base) has embraced the laziest, lowest form: nationalism. I've argued before that nationalism is fucking retarded and I stand by it.
PS: By the way, it's not always about you. There are others in this thread- that when asked a point-blank question- have been completely silent. That's not you. But they know who they are.
Fair.
Quote: @KingBash said:
Point by point:
C'mon: none of us are silent on things... even when we don't fully understand them. Don't break tradition now!
How are our immigration policies "anti-Christian"? Like I said previously: whenever a parent is arrested and jailed, it separates families. It's a terrible thing- but it's also the consequence of breaking the law. I don't think the solution is to make it so that parents can't be imprisoned, because it would hurt their families. I imagine that such a rule might get exploited- just like is currently happening now. Some of the immigrants MAY be genuine, blood-related families... just looking for a better life. But it has been documented that many are not. They are exploiting the loopholes- in conjuction with the drug cartels and human traffickers- to gain entry into our country. We KNOW that that is going on; and liberals seem to be OK with that. They also seem to be OK with "families" risking the lives of their children, for the sake of trying to get into this country. How is that different than a bunch of Cubans getting on a float raft- and taking their kids with them- and then hoping to float to Florida? To put children's lives in that kind of danger seems wrong to me. But- again- how is any of this "anti-Christian"? That's what I want to know.
I don't know what argument you're making then; so I can't really discuss it with you. I'm completely in favor of legal immigration. I don't care if they come from South America... or Africa... or the North Pole, for that matter. I just want it done legally. That's the only way that this Great Experiment can keep from completely collapsing on itself: if we are a country of law. As soon as people can disregard the law- because they don't like it- we're done. Right now, liberals are doing that at an unbelievable pace. What's going to happen when Republicans do it, too? That is what inevitably happens: when one "side" does it, the other uses that for justification of their own bad acts. The Republicans HAVE done that already... but only because the Dems did it first (the confirmation process for judges for example). It sucks... and it's stupid. But that's where we are. By the way, we currently have sheriffs saying that they're not going to impose gun-restrictions in their counties. That's a "conservative" issue... but- as a conservative- I don't like it. But what can we (as a nation) due, when it has already been common (and applauded by the MSM) to have people (and communities) willfully and joyfully break the law? It's not going to go very well if one "side" tries to be law abiding... while the other is openly defying the law. So then both sides will break the law... and the nation is done. THAT'S why I support the laws regarding immigration. If people want to change the law, they are welcome to do it via the Constitutionally prescribed methods (i.e. the legislative branch). But liberals have taken it upon themselves to just break laws (and support those who do) that they don't like... OR the go the judicial route to get laws changed (or blocked or created). It's not about what color skin people have... where the come from... or what the believe (or don't believe). It's about respecting the law- because, without it to hold our country together- we're screwed. Some would say that we're already there.
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