So no collusion.

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@AGRforever said:

@KingBash said:

@pumpf said:

@MaroonBells said:

I think you should continue posting. Just don't take it so seriously. I mean, for Christ's sake, you're talking to folks who voted for a man who gets into twitter wars with teen Hollywood, who think Hillary Clinton ran a child sex ring out of a pizza place, who think school shooting victims are crisis actors and eggheaded academics are motived by greed to lie about the climate, while oil companies are telling us the truth.

Do you talk to street preachers too? Sometimes its best to just let it go. 

Actually, I didn't vote for him.  And neither did greediron.

But you, the board Christian, supports a man who locked kids in cages and then tried to blame the previous administration... you're an interesting duck, pumpf. I'm no Christian, but as seriously as you take it, you'd think you'd burn a few calories on children that already exist and not just abortion.

Snoopes to the rescue again:  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/toddler-cage-photo/
Not that the news media could have lied to you again right?

This cage??
How about this one???
Nother gotcha!!!  That was from 2014 when who was president??  That nazi racist bastard!!!

Honest question for you Kingbash?  We most certainly are detaining illegals at the border.  Kids are among them.  Should we:
A.  Not detain the children at all?  Then what?B.  Leave them with the adults that have brought them over.  It has been shown multiple times that there is a sizeable portion that are sex trafficked.  Should we just let them go without verifying who they are?C.  Put them in jail with adults.  I don't even want to go down that road with all the problems.D.  Just let the illegals and children continue on against our laws.E.  Do exactly what Obama was doing which was detaining and sending them back. 
F.  ????????????????? 

What is your solution Kingbash?  Please educate us. 

I'm well-aware of that whole thing. And I wasn't referring to those pictures from 2014 when I said that. YOU GOT ME! WHOA!

I'm talking about the conditions that are factually happening there right now. Perhaps my phrasing couldn't been improved, but they are absolutely being detained. 

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Obama’s own head said there was a crisis.

From washington examiner:

Both Democrats and most news media are yelling as often as they can that there is no border "crisis," even though they spent the last year telling everyone there was and even though they had no problem explicitly calling it a "crisis" in 2014, when the situation was the exact same as it is now. 
"We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all," then-President Barack Obama said in the Rose Garden in 2014. "In recent weeks we've seen a surge of unaccompanied children arrive at the border, brought here and to other countries by smugglers and traffickers." 
This is no different than what President Trump said from the Oval Office on Tuesday.

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There is one thing about this place I really like. Options...
I have 2 bookmarks. Discussion and Longship. In the famous words of Apocalypse Now. Somedays you just need to "stay in the boat, just say in the boat".

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@A1Janitor said:
Obama’s own head said there was a crisis.

From washington examiner:

Both Democrats and most news media are yelling as often as they can that there is no border "crisis," even though they spent the last year telling everyone there was and even though they had no problem explicitly calling it a "crisis" in 2014, when the situation was the exact same as it is now. 

"We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all," then-President Barack Obama said in the Rose Garden in 2014. "In recent weeks we've seen a surge of unaccompanied children arrive at the border, brought here and to other countries by smugglers and traffickers." 
This is no different than what President Trump said from the Oval Office on Tuesday.

DING DING DING! A humanitarian crisis, fine. I'd agree there! But a caravan coming to invade your nice, Christian suburb? That's what Fox News is spinning it as. And, as usual, it's working: they're scaring stupid people into thinking dirty Mexicans are bringing marijuana over! Heavens no!

You just made my point. There's a legit problem from a humanitarian standpoint. That clarification is necessary.

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@KingBash said:

@A1Janitor said:
Obama’s own head said there was a crisis.

From washington examiner:

Both Democrats and most news media are yelling as often as they can that there is no border "crisis," even though they spent the last year telling everyone there was and even though they had no problem explicitly calling it a "crisis" in 2014, when the situation was the exact same as it is now. 

"We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all," then-President Barack Obama said in the Rose Garden in 2014. "In recent weeks we've seen a surge of unaccompanied children arrive at the border, brought here and to other countries by smugglers and traffickers." 
This is no different than what President Trump said from the Oval Office on Tuesday.

DING DING DING! A humanitarian crisis, fine. I'd agree there! But a caravan coming to invade your nice, Christian suburb? That's what Fox News is spinning it as. And, as usual, it's working: they're scaring stupid people into thinking dirty Mexicans are bringing marijuana over! Heavens no!

You just made my point. There's a legit problem from a humanitarian standpoint. That clarification is necessary.

Not mine... but I don't live in Arizona or Texas.  Maybe ask them (those who live closer to the border) if they feel "invaded"?  And what does "Christian" have to do with anything?  Are you saying that only Christians like to have nice things?

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@pumpf said:

@KingBash said:

@A1Janitor said:
Obama’s own head said there was a crisis.

From washington examiner:

Both Democrats and most news media are yelling as often as they can that there is no border "crisis," even though they spent the last year telling everyone there was and even though they had no problem explicitly calling it a "crisis" in 2014, when the situation was the exact same as it is now. 

"We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all," then-President Barack Obama said in the Rose Garden in 2014. "In recent weeks we've seen a surge of unaccompanied children arrive at the border, brought here and to other countries by smugglers and traffickers." 
This is no different than what President Trump said from the Oval Office on Tuesday.

DING DING DING! A humanitarian crisis, fine. I'd agree there! But a caravan coming to invade your nice, Christian suburb? That's what Fox News is spinning it as. And, as usual, it's working: they're scaring stupid people into thinking dirty Mexicans are bringing marijuana over! Heavens no!

You just made my point. There's a legit problem from a humanitarian standpoint. That clarification is necessary.

Not mine... but I don't live in Arizona or Texas.  Maybe ask them (those who live closer to the border) if they feel "invaded"?  And what does "Christian" have to do with anything?  Are you saying that only Christians like to have nice things?

For not living there, you sure do seem to care a lot about the white people at the border... not so much the brown people. So which is it? This is an issue you take very seriously, or are you gonna go the "hey, I don't live there" route. And theoretically, shouldn't a Christian side with those affected most by the "humanitarian crisis?" Those people who are trying to migrate for a better life? Wouldn't a better solution be to work towards a solution that helps the Mexicans trying to come here AND appeasing the white people at the border? Building a wall seems very lazy to me... not what Jesus would've wanted. 

But what do I know, I'm not a Christian...

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@KingBash said:

@A1Janitor said:
Obama’s own head said there was a crisis.

From washington examiner:

Both Democrats and most news media are yelling as often as they can that there is no border "crisis," even though they spent the last year telling everyone there was and even though they had no problem explicitly calling it a "crisis" in 2014, when the situation was the exact same as it is now. 

"We now have an actual humanitarian crisis on the border that only underscores the need to drop the politics and fix our immigration system once and for all," then-President Barack Obama said in the Rose Garden in 2014. "In recent weeks we've seen a surge of unaccompanied children arrive at the border, brought here and to other countries by smugglers and traffickers." 
This is no different than what President Trump said from the Oval Office on Tuesday.

DING DING DING! A humanitarian crisis, fine. I'd agree there! But a caravan coming to invade your nice, Christian suburb? That's what Fox News is spinning it as. And, as usual, it's working: they're scaring stupid people into thinking dirty Mexicans are bringing marijuana over! Heavens no!

You just made my point. There's a legit problem from a humanitarian standpoint. That clarification is necessary.

So we can or cannot use the word caravan?

Snooped again uses that word and says 3 caravans of 7k to 10k showed up.  

https://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/11/14/migrant-caravan-groups-arrive-by-hundreds-at-us-border/

I also agree we have a humanitarian crisis. Get them work visas. Get them to work. Make it easier for them to work, migrate and become legal citizens of this nation. What we dont want is a bunch of assholes dictating what we can and cannot do. 

But back to fake news. Where do you supose the $$ to organize busses from hondurus to america for 7-10k people came from?

And please answer my previous question as to what we should do with the kids?

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@KingBash said:

For not living there, you sure do seem to care a lot about the white people at the border... not so much the brown people. So which is it? This is an issue you take very seriously, or are you gonna go the "hey, I don't live there" route. And theoretically, shouldn't a Christian side with those affected most by the "humanitarian crisis?" Those people who are trying to migrate for a better life? Wouldn't a better solution be to work towards a solution that helps the Mexicans trying to come here AND appeasing the white people at the border? Building a wall seems very lazy to me... not what Jesus would've wanted. 

But what do I know, I'm not a Christian...

A few questions:
Do YOU love people?  How many homeless people are currently living with you?  (Well, none: because if they were living with you they wouldn't be homeless)  You have declared that love means giving people your stuff: no matter how many there are... or what they want.  So, before you attack others... maybe you should prove that YOUR concern for others is genuine?

Second of all, are you suggesting that only white people are bothered by our current border crisis?  That seems a bit racist (to suggest that all people think exactly like everyone else that shares the same level of skin pigmentation).  They don't have thoughts of their own... just the thoughts that you (a white guy) THINK they ought to think?  Interesting.

Do you really believe that the Christian religion's "rules" for individuals ought to be the template for our country's policies on economics, foreign affairs and immigration?

And, since you're not a Christian, let me explain to you that we are under the authority of the gov't.  And, inasmuch as the gov't doesn't try to force us to go against the Bible's teachings, we are obligated to obey the gov't.  Of course, a reasonable person would suggest that unjust laws (in their opinion) should be changed through the legislative process- not by simply refusing to obey them.  Rather than make silly assertions, why don't you try to win me over by the logic of your rhetoric?  Is your position on this issue so weak- that you have no other option than offering non-sequitur attacks? 

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Deleted this post, and created a new discussion.  This discussion is about collusion and immigration is a big enough topic to deserve it's own thread.

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So Mueller gets another 'process crime'. 

Previous process crimes (according to the MSM)  were "proof of collusion"

So... this is proof of Democrat/Russian collusion, yes?  

Edit:  (CNN twitter of Obama Counsel Greg Craig indicted today)  why can you not post a tweet on this site?