Quote: @pumpf said:
@ medaille said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pumpf said:
I have a suggestion that would work wonders: make it a requirement for citizens to pass a basic civics test before they are allowed to vote in federal elections. Or make it a requirement that only those who pay an income tax can vote. But those things will NEVER pass, because it will limit who is eligible to vote. In my opinion: as long as anyone is able to vote- despite having no knowledge of how the world works- this is what we will get: elections that pit one "celebrity" vs. another (or, to put it another way, pure populism). REALLY PUMPF?????????????????????????
LOL, we've had poll taxes and literacy tests etc. These types of tactics are the reason we have a 15th amendment. Are you sure you should be voting? Maybe a civics course is in need?
Yeah, I don't think we need to be limiting which Americans can vote anymore than we already are. Having an entity that says you can't vote because you disagreed with an answer we had on the test seems like a really bad idea that would be ripe for corruption.
You guys might be right. But it sure does seem to me that the biggest problem in American politics... is not the rampant lies and corruption. It's a blind and ignorant populace that cares nothing for their neighbor- much less the republic, itself. I'm willing to concede that my solution may be the wrong one. But I'd love to hear someone offer something better.
I think we’re a population that is intentionally
divided. I think our government is run
behind closed doors, by people that aren’t us. Someone screams “Abortion”, “Guns”, or “Trump”
and lets us duke it out, and then they go back and approve a nuclear deal for country
XXX or millions of dollars for a bank bailout or whatever without us being part
of the discussion.
I really don’t think the problem is with the people of this
country. I think the biggest problem is
that we haven’t realized we’re being duped yet.
We’d rather just point fingers at each other and blame the other party.
I think the #1 solution for this country is increased
transparency in government. We need to
know what the proposed plan is, how much it will cost, and then metrics so that
we can see how the plan is doing and if what we’re doing is cost-effective. Was Homeland Security worth the added costs? Did the war on drugs work? Is Obamacare working? If ICE or border patrol are doing something
shady, what was the law that they were supposedly following, and what was the
real problem? Was it bad leadership, bad
laws, or a few bad apples? Do we
actually need to spend more to prevent the issues? Across the board, taxes go up, we don’t
really know where they go, just that they need it. We don’t know if we’re getting good value for
what we’re spending. We just need the tools to hold our own government accountable.
If there was a single biggest thing we could do that isn’t
so broad, it would 100% be to replace our Debt based currency with a stable
currency that makes logical sense. Being
on a debt based system, just swallows everyone involved.
Russia collusion was a created story with the initial purpose of getting a FISA warrant to spy on an opposing political opponent for political purposes. it was done sloppily but no one thought she’d lose. When she did, a lot of people knew they were likely f’ed.
Since that time and continuing now we’ve been witnessing a coup attempt. It has involved the upper reaches of the FBI, DOJ, many from the prior administration, at least 2 foreign governments and possibly President Obama.
I’m an independent. Have been for decades and I have limited trust in the power brokers from either party. I’m also a medically retired law officer with extensive investigative experience. This experienced certainly played a role in my strong skepticism for much of what our media feeds us.
I picked up on the Trump Russia collusion narrative being bs immediately. Besides working at the behest of anyone let alone a foreign country is absurd on its face, Trump as a pure narcissist certainly doesn’t fit the profile.
So I’ve spent about two years investigating this corrupt scheme.
I could make this 100 pages in detail but that would be brutal so I’ll summarize.
* Nothing about Trump Russia is real. At no point has there been any actual evidence - in particular there’s never been sufficient evidence to support anything other than a cursory investigation.
* The DNC was not “hacked”. This lie is still peddled. How do I know all these agencies are full of it? Because the NSA tracks everything and they don’t believe this was the case either. The NSA can go back and watch the data transfer. They can clearly see sender and receiver. Not everyone knows this capability. The NSA did go back and check and there’s no evidence of a hack. The DNC information was pulled directly off of their system. This doesn’t exclude the Russians, only tells us we are being lied to and the data was likely leaked by someone with direct access to their systems.
* The original intent of the lies were to gain a FISA warrant for the US to spy on the Trump campaign for political purposes. It was done sloppily but the actors never thought Hillary would lose.
* Joseph Mifsud, Stephen Halper, and Alexander Downing are all western intelligence assets not Russian or the covers they’ve been given.
* The early FISA warrant applications failed. Those running the show used British and Aussie spies against the Trump Campaign until they got the Page warrant. They had to rush a warrant for Carter Page because Adm Mike Rogers caught the wide abuse of “about queries” and shut off access to the system. Rogers would later travel to NYC without telling his superiors in order to warn President-elect Trump he was being spied on and it included Trump Tower. The transition team immediately released a statement they were moving and were out of the tower within a day or two.
* When Hillary lost, the entire spying operation became discoverable. Within the first week or two after the election the plan of Russia collusion we know today was hatched and initialized. This is not a pr campaign.
****What we’ve witnessed since that time is clear and obvious coup attempt against a sitting President of the United States. This is the most serious act perpetrated against our Republic in well over 100 years and the only attempt I know of that didn’t involve assassination. The coup is ongoing but its mostly just desperation now.
* There are dozens of high ranking government officials directly involved and a number unwittingly involved. There are members of both political parties involved. If one looks at the upper levels of DOJ and FBI the number of fired/resigned top officials is astounding.
* The other monster story here is at least 2 foreign countries, the British and Australians (I believe Italians and Turkey as well but no evidence yet) were directly involved in a coup attempt against our President. Our own “alies” have taken actions against our election system and elected officials. It is likley at the behest of someone in our government with the authority to do so. It’s not difficult to figure out that persons identity but I consider it unlikely there will ever be sufficient evidence to prosecute.
* A great number of our media were involved. Many unwittingly but we will likely find some were paid to spread the lies. We will also possibly learn that a number of our media are also active CIA assets. This will depend on what is able to be kept classified as well as their contemporaries willingness to report on it.
* Trump has been kept abreast of most of this since he was elected. That’s why he’ll happily screw with press as he knows the truth. An example would be the spying at Trump Tower. He knew full well he’d be proven correct.
What does this all mean? It means we are a very long way from this being over. I still don’t know how much will be released to the public. I do know the British already took steps to clean things up and I also know they and several other countries are begging Trump not to release the Page FISA warrant unredacted. It will likely decimate the American people’s view of the countries involved. Possibly to an irrepreparable level.
On the Mueller report next to nothing will be allowed to be released on Russia. Nearly every part of it will be too sensitive as far as sources and methods. It is long standing policy that derogatory information is not released on non-indicted persons. This will likely curtail much of the obstruction declas.
I will say this, the Democrats better be careful what they wish for when it comes to the Mueller report. In order to find no collusion Mueller undoubtedly learned much of what did happen. Since much of it is under current investigation we probably won’t see much of this either. The Democrats know this and will use it as long as possible.
We are still at a precarious position but much more stable than a year ago. People simply don’t understand how fragile our Republic actually is.
I don’t care about anyone’s party affiliation. These acts should boil any American’s blood. Personally I’d like to slap the cuffs on myself but its still too early to tell how this eill be handled.
From now on understand that little you hear from the media is actually true. It’s simply to manipulate and divide. Also realize when you hear Trump - he knows. There’s a reason he keeps repeating this should never happen again to a President and also why he’s sure of himself.
Quote: @pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Dangerously close to the must be property owners mentality of some of our founder's. I don't think we need to move backwards to progress.
Good ole days with simple poll questions. How many bubbles in a bar of soap. Simple enough right?
Agreed... but would that be so bad? (Or, at least some "restriction"?)
I'm fully prepared to recant... if someone can offer a better solution. Otherwise, if there's no better solution to our current situation... we're screwed anyway.
Yes you need to recant. People are allowed to be stupid in your opinion. Take kingbash for instance. I disagree with him. Should me and my purchased politicians be able to restrict him from voting?
Quote: @pumpf said:
@ suncoastvike said:
Dangerously close to the must be property owners mentality of some of our founder's. I don't think we need to move backwards to progress.
Good ole days with simple poll questions. How many bubbles in a bar of soap. Simple enough right?
Agreed... but would that be so bad? (Or, at least some "restriction"?)
I'm fully prepared to recant... if someone can offer a better solution. Otherwise, if there's no better solution to our current situation... we're screwed anyway.
As you said earlier we need better candidates. I guess the same hold true for independents as well then. That is what it will take. A 3rd party leader so strong in their message that even if only in defeat the message is heard and at least parts of it incorporated. I'm under no illusions of a 3rd party president though. Not in my lifetime. People have grown to used to the red vs blue war games. It's part of their lives it's part of their identity. Everything I've seen tells me so and they like the fighting. Just another sport to root for. Fight like two drunks in the bleachers.
You said earlier you were OK with two candidates. The two party system. You asked, fairly I'll add, if more would really be better. I wish I did know. I don't. I do know I'm tired of a system that wars with each other to the point they spend most their time trying to undo the previous regimes work. That is really the main goal. Not working together to make something lasting. Win now only to have roles reversed again eventually. A system I would like would have primaries then runoffs then the top two head to head. What we have now is a party primary season. Which is over often before half the states get to vote in it. So you chose to vote party regardless of if you even got a choice in it's candidate.
I often hear folks scream for term limits. Isn't settling for this endless two party war the ultimate unending term? Busting up the two party system is term limits. It will never happen. As you said. We're screwed.
Quote: @Havoc1649 said:
Russia collusion was a created story with the initial purpose of getting a FISA warrant to spy on an opposing political opponent for political purposes. it was done sloppily but no one thought she’d lose. When she did, a lot of people knew they were likely f’ed.
Since that time and continuing now we’ve been witnessing a coup attempt. It has involved the upper reaches of the FBI, DOJ, many from the prior administration, at least 2 foreign governments and possibly President Obama.
I’m an independent. Have been for decades and I have limited trust in the power brokers from either party. I’m also a medically retired law officer with extensive investigative experience. This experienced certainly played a role in my strong skepticism for much of what our media feeds us.
I picked up on the Trump Russia collusion narrative being bs immediately. Besides working at the behest of anyone let alone a foreign country is absurd on its face, Trump as a pure narcissist certainly doesn’t fit the profile.
So I’ve spent about two years investigating this corrupt scheme.
I could make this 100 pages in detail but that would be brutal so I’ll summarize.
* Nothing about Trump Russia is real. At no point has there been any actual evidence - in particular there’s never been sufficient evidence to support anything other than a cursory investigation.
* The DNC was not “hacked”. This lie is still peddled. How do I know all these agencies are full of it? Because the NSA tracks everything and they don’t believe this was the case either. The NSA can go back and watch the data transfer. They can clearly see sender and receiver. Not everyone knows this capability. The NSA did go back and check and there’s no evidence of a hack. The DNC information was pulled directly off of their system. This doesn’t exclude the Russians, only tells us we are being lied to and the data was likely leaked by someone with direct access to their systems.
* The original intent of the lies were to gain a FISA warrant for the US to spy on the Trump campaign for political purposes. It was done sloppily but the actors never thought Hillary would lose.
* Joseph Mifsud, Stephen Halper, and Alexander Downing are all western intelligence assets not Russian or the covers they’ve been given.
* The early FISA warrant applications failed. Those running the show used British and Aussie spies against the Trump Campaign until they got the Page warrant. They had to rush a warrant for Carter Page because Adm Mike Rogers caught the wide abuse of “about queries” and shut off access to the system. Rogers would later travel to NYC without telling his superiors in order to warn President-elect Trump he was being spied on and it included Trump Tower. The transition team immediately released a statement they were moving and were out of the tower within a day or two.
* When Hillary lost, the entire spying operation became discoverable. Within the first week or two after the election the plan of Russia collusion we know today was hatched and initialized. This is not a pr campaign.
****What we’ve witnessed since that time is clear and obvious coup attempt against a sitting President of the United States. This is the most serious act perpetrated against our Republic in well over 100 years and the only attempt I know of that didn’t involve assassination. The coup is ongoing but its mostly just desperation now.
* There are dozens of high ranking government officials directly involved and a number unwittingly involved. There are members of both political parties involved. If one looks at the upper levels of DOJ and FBI the number of fired/resigned top officials is astounding.
* The other monster story here is at least 2 foreign countries, the British and Australians (I believe Italians and Turkey as well but no evidence yet) were directly involved in a coup attempt against our President. Our own “alies” have taken actions against our election system and elected officials. It is likley at the behest of someone in our government with the authority to do so. It’s not difficult to figure out that persons identity but I consider it unlikely there will ever be sufficient evidence to prosecute.
* A great number of our media were involved. Many unwittingly but we will likely find some were paid to spread the lies. We will also possibly learn that a number of our media are also active CIA assets. This will depend on what is able to be kept classified as well as their contemporaries willingness to report on it.
* Trump has been kept abreast of most of this since he was elected. That’s why he’ll happily screw with press as he knows the truth. An example would be the spying at Trump Tower. He knew full well he’d be proven correct.
What does this all mean? It means we are a very long way from this being over. I still don’t know how much will be released to the public. I do know the British already took steps to clean things up and I also know they and several other countries are begging Trump not to release the Page FISA warrant unredacted. It will likely decimate the American people’s view of the countries involved. Possibly to an irrepreparable level.
On the Mueller report next to nothing will be allowed to be released on Russia. Nearly every part of it will be too sensitive as far as sources and methods. It is long standing policy that derogatory information is not released on non-indicted persons. This will likely curtail much of the obstruction declas.
I will say this, the Democrats better be careful what they wish for when it comes to the Mueller report. In order to find no collusion Mueller undoubtedly learned much of what did happen. Since much of it is under current investigation we probably won’t see much of this either. The Democrats know this and will use it as long as possible.
We are still at a precarious position but much more stable than a year ago. People simply don’t understand how fragile our Republic actually is.
I don’t care about anyone’s party affiliation. These acts should boil any American’s blood. Personally I’d like to slap the cuffs on myself but its still too early to tell how this eill be handled.
From now on understand that little you hear from the media is actually true. It’s simply to manipulate and divide. Also realize when you hear Trump - he knows. There’s a reason he keeps repeating this should never happen again to a President and also why he’s sure of himself.
You are so far down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theory land it's frightening.
The DNC wasn't hacked? LOL! Mueller indicted 12 Russians for the hack. That means he had to show proof of who and how to a grand jury. You on the other hand offer absolutely no proof other than your own ridiculous opinions.
Feel free to show one shred of evidence that anything you wrote is true, otherwise go sell crazy elsewhere.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
Russia collusion was a created story with the initial purpose of getting a FISA warrant to spy on an opposing political opponent for political purposes. it was done sloppily but no one thought she’d lose. When she did, a lot of people knew they were likely f’ed.
Since that time and continuing now we’ve been witnessing a coup attempt. It has involved the upper reaches of the FBI, DOJ, many from the prior administration, at least 2 foreign governments and possibly President Obama.
I’m an independent. Have been for decades and I have limited trust in the power brokers from either party. I’m also a medically retired law officer with extensive investigative experience. This experienced certainly played a role in my strong skepticism for much of what our media feeds us.
I picked up on the Trump Russia collusion narrative being bs immediately. Besides working at the behest of anyone let alone a foreign country is absurd on its face, Trump as a pure narcissist certainly doesn’t fit the profile.
So I’ve spent about two years investigating this corrupt scheme.
I could make this 100 pages in detail but that would be brutal so I’ll summarize.
* Nothing about Trump Russia is real. At no point has there been any actual evidence - in particular there’s never been sufficient evidence to support anything other than a cursory investigation.
* The DNC was not “hacked”. This lie is still peddled. How do I know all these agencies are full of it? Because the NSA tracks everything and they don’t believe this was the case either. The NSA can go back and watch the data transfer. They can clearly see sender and receiver. Not everyone knows this capability. The NSA did go back and check and there’s no evidence of a hack. The DNC information was pulled directly off of their system. This doesn’t exclude the Russians, only tells us we are being lied to and the data was likely leaked by someone with direct access to their systems.
* The original intent of the lies were to gain a FISA warrant for the US to spy on the Trump campaign for political purposes. It was done sloppily but the actors never thought Hillary would lose.
* Joseph Mifsud, Stephen Halper, and Alexander Downing are all western intelligence assets not Russian or the covers they’ve been given.
* The early FISA warrant applications failed. Those running the show used British and Aussie spies against the Trump Campaign until they got the Page warrant. They had to rush a warrant for Carter Page because Adm Mike Rogers caught the wide abuse of “about queries” and shut off access to the system. Rogers would later travel to NYC without telling his superiors in order to warn President-elect Trump he was being spied on and it included Trump Tower. The transition team immediately released a statement they were moving and were out of the tower within a day or two.
* When Hillary lost, the entire spying operation became discoverable. Within the first week or two after the election the plan of Russia collusion we know today was hatched and initialized. This is not a pr campaign.
****What we’ve witnessed since that time is clear and obvious coup attempt against a sitting President of the United States. This is the most serious act perpetrated against our Republic in well over 100 years and the only attempt I know of that didn’t involve assassination. The coup is ongoing but its mostly just desperation now.
* There are dozens of high ranking government officials directly involved and a number unwittingly involved. There are members of both political parties involved. If one looks at the upper levels of DOJ and FBI the number of fired/resigned top officials is astounding.
* The other monster story here is at least 2 foreign countries, the British and Australians (I believe Italians and Turkey as well but no evidence yet) were directly involved in a coup attempt against our President. Our own “alies” have taken actions against our election system and elected officials. It is likley at the behest of someone in our government with the authority to do so. It’s not difficult to figure out that persons identity but I consider it unlikely there will ever be sufficient evidence to prosecute.
* A great number of our media were involved. Many unwittingly but we will likely find some were paid to spread the lies. We will also possibly learn that a number of our media are also active CIA assets. This will depend on what is able to be kept classified as well as their contemporaries willingness to report on it.
* Trump has been kept abreast of most of this since he was elected. That’s why he’ll happily screw with press as he knows the truth. An example would be the spying at Trump Tower. He knew full well he’d be proven correct.
What does this all mean? It means we are a very long way from this being over. I still don’t know how much will be released to the public. I do know the British already took steps to clean things up and I also know they and several other countries are begging Trump not to release the Page FISA warrant unredacted. It will likely decimate the American people’s view of the countries involved. Possibly to an irrepreparable level.
On the Mueller report next to nothing will be allowed to be released on Russia. Nearly every part of it will be too sensitive as far as sources and methods. It is long standing policy that derogatory information is not released on non-indicted persons. This will likely curtail much of the obstruction declas.
I will say this, the Democrats better be careful what they wish for when it comes to the Mueller report. In order to find no collusion Mueller undoubtedly learned much of what did happen. Since much of it is under current investigation we probably won’t see much of this either. The Democrats know this and will use it as long as possible.
We are still at a precarious position but much more stable than a year ago. People simply don’t understand how fragile our Republic actually is.
I don’t care about anyone’s party affiliation. These acts should boil any American’s blood. Personally I’d like to slap the cuffs on myself but its still too early to tell how this eill be handled.
From now on understand that little you hear from the media is actually true. It’s simply to manipulate and divide. Also realize when you hear Trump - he knows. There’s a reason he keeps repeating this should never happen again to a President and also why he’s sure of himself.
You are so far down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theory land it's frightening.
The DNC wasn't hacked? LOL! Mueller indicted 12 Russians for the hack. That means he had to show proof of who and how to a grand jury. You on the other hand offer absolutely no proof other than your own ridiculous opinions.
Feel free to show one shred of evidence that anything you wrote is true, otherwise go sell crazy elsewhere.
Seth Rich leaked the dnc emails. He was a staffer and was murdered for it.
Do you guys really believe the American people have any real influence over political parties, primaries, and the actual candidates thrust to the ballot?
Blaming Americans, you or anybody in this thread or myself, is disingenuous. With the DNC and (well, former?) Neo-Con influence over the RNC, what are we going to do? Americans got Ron Paul forced into the Republican debates as the RNC laughed. Americans got Bernie to the top of the Democratic ticket as the DNC was scheduling Hillary's campaign tour (hyperbole, not a fact).
Quote: @SFVikeFan said
You are so far down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theory land it's frightening.
The DNC wasn't hacked? LOL! Mueller indicted 12 Russians for the hack. That means he had to show proof of who and how to a grand jury. You on the other hand offer absolutely no proof other than your own ridiculous opinions.
Feel free to show one shred of evidence that anything you wrote is true, otherwise go sell crazy elsewhere.
You people shouldn’t get a pass on lies.
Here is what the Russians were indicted for:
The Russians were part of a company called the Internet Research Agency, which Special Counsel Robert Mueller described as a “Russian organization engaged in operations to interfere with elections and political processes.” The individuals were indicted on two counts and — if upheld — the defendants will be forced to turn over profits made from the operation, or risk losing assets of similar value. It is unclear how the courts will uphold the charges against the individuals, especially if they are no longer in the United States.
The 13 Russians used stolen identities from American citizens to promote political activist campaigns that were mostly pro-Trump. Affiliated groups also held rallies in favor of Hillary Clinton. The individuals were never cited for tipping the election in favor of Trump, but were blamed for falsifying documents and foreign meddling in the election.
There was no hack. The NSA said it was downloaded. The FBI never looked at the computer, but sent it to Crowdstrike instead.
The truth is the Chinese got her emails ... because she had a private, unsecured server. Which was illegal.
The truth is coming soon. There was no Russian collusion with Trump. Havoc got it all right.
But we now know ... a foreign agent (Steele) worked with Russians to create a fake dossier ... bought and paid for by Hillary and the DNC. And spread by the Obama DOJ, corrupt lawmakers like Schiff, Warren, and McCain.
The loudest people in the media were in on it.
Edit: The insurance policy, imo, was bringing Mueller in to give time to the DOJ and FBI to clean their mess. Mueller had all of the evidence to clear Trump of collusion in September of 2017.
Quote: @A1Janitor said:
You people shouldn’t get a pass on lies.
Here is what the Russians were indicted for:
The Russians were part of a company called the Internet Research Agency, which Special Counsel Robert Mueller described as a “Russian organization engaged in operations to interfere with elections and political processes.” The individuals were indicted on two counts and — if upheld — the defendants will be forced to turn over profits made from the operation, or risk losing assets of similar value. It is unclear how the courts will uphold the charges against the individuals, especially if they are no longer in the United States.
The 13 Russians used stolen identities from American citizens to promote political activist campaigns that were mostly pro-Trump. Affiliated groups also held rallies in favor of Hillary Clinton. The individuals were never cited for tipping the election in favor of Trump, but were blamed for falsifying documents and foreign meddling in the election.
There was no hack. The NSA said it was downloaded. The FBI never looked at the computer, but sent it to Crowdstrike instead.
The truth is the Chinese got her emails ... because she had a private, unsecured server. Which was illegal.
The truth is coming soon. There was no Russian collusion with Trump. Havoc got it all right.
But we now know ... a foreign agent (Steele) worked with Russians to create a fake dossier ... bought and paid for by Hillary and the DNC. And spread by the Obama DOJ, corrupt lawmakers like Schiff, Warren, and McCain.
The loudest people in the media were in on it.
Edit: The insurance policy, imo, was bringing Mueller in to give time to the DOJ and FBI to clean their mess. Mueller had all of the evidence to clear Trump of collusion in September of 2017.
You are comically mis-informed. "The truth is coming soon". Oh Lord, you sound as bad as the flat earthers. This is the problem with you Trump supporters - you don't pay attention to any details and constantly get basic facts wrong.
* Steele Dossier was not fake, nor was it what triggered the surveillance of Trump Team. George Papadopoulus bragging to an Aussie diplomat is what triggered the investigation into Team Trump.
* Per REPUBLICAN DEVIN NUNES AND HIS GOP HOUSE INVESTIGATION COMMITTEE: “The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Peter Strzok,” the memo spearheaded by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes reads.
* The Steele Dossier was originally funded by a Republican before Trump won the primary.
* Neither Clinton nor the DNC hired Steele or the Russians. They hired Fusion GPS, an American company, who in turn hired Steele.
* McCain received a copy of the Steele Dossier. McCain was advised by fellow Republican Lindsey Graham to hand it over to the FBI.
* Let's review: Steele Dossier was originally started and funded by Republicans, was later given to Republicans, who in turn were advised by other Republicans to hand it over to the FBI. The head of the FBI was a Republican and worked under a Republican Attorney General. And Trump's firing of the FBI Director for not shutting down the investigation triggered the appointment of Robert Mueller, another Republican, by the Republicans. But it was all part of a Democrat deep-state conspiracy to get Trump. LOL! I guess the Democrats deployed the standard "Jedi mind trick" to force the Republicans to do all of this.
* The NSA says, "The DNC server wasn't hacked, it was downloaded". First off, the NSA NEVER said anything of the sort. All of you are citing the same ONE article from 2017 that stated: "FORMER-NSA experts claim ..." This ONE article has caught fire on conservative websites, shared and re-shared tens of thousands of times, and now you all take it that this is gospel and from the NSA itself, which its not.
* The fact is this is the findings of the CIA:
On December 9, 2016, the CIA told U.S. legislators the U.S. Intelligence Community concluded Russia conducted the cyberattacks and other operations during the 2016 U.S. election to assist Donald Trump in winning the presidency. [6] Multiple U.S. intelligence agencies concluded that specific individuals tied to the Russian government provided WikiLeaks with the stolen emails from the DNC, as well as stolen emails from Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman, who was also the target of a cyberattack. [6] These intelligence organizations additionally concluded Russia hacked the Republican National Committee (R.N.C.) as well as the D.N.C., but chose not to leak information obtained from the R.N.C. [7]
So now you're all saying that not only is the FBI part of some deep-state conspiracy theory to overthrow Trump, that now the CIA & NSA has also joined forces with the rogue FBI to produce false evidence to Mueller's team, US legislators, Congress, and Grand Juries ... and all of these people are in on an elaborate coverup of the DNC hack, just to make it look like it was the Russians ... and now all of these multiple agencies have joined forces all as part of a coup attempt to overthrow Trump? And really, so the DNC decided to download the dirt on its own party, give it to the Russians, to give to Wikileaks, to give to Roger Stone and team Trump ... just to help themselves lose the election, help the Republicans and the Russians simultaneously? My my my ... that's brilliant detective work fellas. If only you could step away from your bubbles for a moment and see how completely crazy all of this sounds to anyone whose head isn't filled with GOP propaganda.
This is what is so dangerous about your brazen craziness - at one point I'm sure most of you were reasonable people. Now there's no limit to the off-the-rails, nutjob-wackadoodle conspiracy theories you'll happily buy into. You're all-in on believing literally ANYTHING BUT the truth - as long as it follows a narrative to support your opinions.
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