Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
Done with your ignorance pumpf. You cling to lies and fairy tales. Planned Parenthood does ONLY abortions and doesn't provide birth control, STD testing and other services? Even your buddy Savannah knows abortions are only 10-12% of their services. This is why it's useless to argue with you because you don't believe in reality, you just believe in your own opinions no matter how incorrect or misguided. You obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about on most topics you bring up.
Case in point, the Mueller investigation didn't cost $30 million. You realize it made money from confiscation of assets seized from Manafort right? No of course you don't. You don't care that corporations don't pay their share and seem to think it's ok for the government to steal our social security benefits because budget cuts have to come from somewhere! You'd rather support an overly bloated defense budget because we couldn't possibly fund children's healthcare programs. What a sick mindset you have, take care of the rich and corporations and screw everyone else including yourself.
No reply to the links I posted? You suddenly went quiet when I posted articles about everything you dismissed as opinions. Sucks to admit you live in an environment where you don't attempt to digest information that disagrees with your prejudiced opinions.
The problem is that he's not alone. It seems like all of the Trumpers are wired this way.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
Done with your ignorance pumpf. You cling to lies and fairy tales. Planned Parenthood does ONLY abortions and doesn't provide birth control, STD testing and other services? Even your buddy Savannah knows abortions are only 10-12% of their services. This is why it's useless to argue with you because you don't believe in reality, you just believe in your own opinions no matter how incorrect or misguided. You obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about on most topics you bring up.
Case in point, the Mueller investigation didn't cost $30 million. You realize it made money from confiscation of assets seized from Manafort right? No of course you don't. You don't care that corporations don't pay their share and seem to think it's ok for the government to steal our social security benefits because budget cuts have to come from somewhere! You'd rather support an overly bloated defense budget because we couldn't possibly fund children's healthcare programs. What a sick mindset you have, take care of the rich and corporations and screw everyone else including yourself.
No reply to the links I posted? You suddenly went quiet when I posted articles about everything you dismissed as opinions. Sucks to admit you live in an environment where you don't attempt to digest information that disagrees with your prejudiced opinions.
I'll be honest: I didn't read your links. To be honest, I'm not "here" to argue for Trump. I'm "here" to argue for life. That's why I didn't respond to your links.
Now: what's your reason for not responding to my question? How can you support the legal right to kill a child with Down Syndrome- just because they have DS? Even if you want to make the argument that they are not yet a child, they are developing human life with DS. And, because people don't want a child with DS, they will end that life. What does that say about people with DS- or any other disability? I'll tell you what it says to me: those lives are not wanted or valued. And that's where all this started: we have Special Olympics because (supposedly) we love those people and consider their lives full of joy and beauty. So... for Democrats who support aborting 90% of those with DS... which is it?
Quote: @pumpf said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
Done with your ignorance pumpf. You cling to lies and fairy tales. Planned Parenthood does ONLY abortions and doesn't provide birth control, STD testing and other services? Even your buddy Savannah knows abortions are only 10-12% of their services. This is why it's useless to argue with you because you don't believe in reality, you just believe in your own opinions no matter how incorrect or misguided. You obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about on most topics you bring up.
Case in point, the Mueller investigation didn't cost $30 million. You realize it made money from confiscation of assets seized from Manafort right? No of course you don't. You don't care that corporations don't pay their share and seem to think it's ok for the government to steal our social security benefits because budget cuts have to come from somewhere! You'd rather support an overly bloated defense budget because we couldn't possibly fund children's healthcare programs. What a sick mindset you have, take care of the rich and corporations and screw everyone else including yourself.
No reply to the links I posted? You suddenly went quiet when I posted articles about everything you dismissed as opinions. Sucks to admit you live in an environment where you don't attempt to digest information that disagrees with your prejudiced opinions.
I'll be honest: I didn't read your links. To be honest, I'm not "here" to argue for Trump. I'm "here" to argue for life. That's why I didn't respond to your links.
Now: what's your reason for not responding to my question? How can you support the legal right to kill a child with Down Syndrome- just because they have DS? Even if you want to make the argument that they are not yet a child, they are developing human life with DS. And, because people don't want a child with DS, they will end that life. What does that say about people with DS- or any other disability? I'll tell you what it says to me: those lives are not wanted or valued. And that's where all this started: we have Special Olympics because (supposedly) we love those people and consider their lives full of joy and beauty. So... for Democrats who support aborting 90% of those with DS... which is it?
Alright I'll concede something: I couldn't understand why you launched into this whole argument at me all the sudden. Scrolling up now, I see it's a back-and-forth between you and @SFVikingFan . My browser must've brought me to the wrong part of the page yesterday when I was @mentioned.
Carry on...
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ greediron said:
@ KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
Hahaha you're just wrong. What's not factual in that?!
This is scary that so much of the country is doing this.
These are not "facts":
Trump lied about his knowledge and involvement with Russia. He sided with Putin's word over our own US intelligence agencies, that is also a fact. He had 2 Chiefs of Staff, both military generals, resign, one who admitted he quit because of his pro-Russian stances. All publicly known facts.
The smoking gun of did Trump coordinate all this with Russia couldn't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. But sweet Jesus that doesn't change the facts of Trump lying about meeting Russians, of Trump Jr. accepting an invitation to get dirt on an opponent from a hostile nation, and Trump's campaign manager meeting with a Russian to give polling information to.
I realize you boys are taking a vixtory lap because your Trump appointed lapdog AG says he reviewed 700 pages of a report in 48 hours and found no evidence, but not all of us fell off the turnip truck yesterday.
Regardless of lack of charges doesn't mean Trump wasn't doing some extremely shady, unethical shit that if the Democrats had done, you'd all be losing your minds right now and you all fucking know it.
But hey, let's have a cheer for Betsy Devos cutting funds for the Special Olympics because we needed to prioritize the millionaires getting tax cuts to make America great again. Yipeee!
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Those are pretty obviously opinions. As for Trump taking sides with Russia, it appears that they may have been more trustworthy than our own intelligence community. Have you read anything about how all this process got started... and the lengths that the DOJ / FBI went to (at the end of the Obama administration) to protect / shield Clinton for HER illegal activities? If so, then you'd understand how- after just taking over as president- Trump might not have trusted US intelligence, especially when there was a coordinated effort ON THEIR PART to tilt the election in one direction. Is that better (more ethical) than the Russians doing it? Yeah, I guess so... but considering their own positions, they're not exactly "clean".
And remind me again, which president was it who said- under his breath (and presumably off the record) that he'd have more "flexibility" to work with the Russians once he was re-elected?
And remind me again which political party went crazy when a Republican candidate for president warned that Russia was a "problem"?
I've always considered you to be pretty straightforward and intellectually honest about things. In fact, I've admired your willingness to speak truth- no matter how uncomfortable it might be for others to hear. But with these comments, you seem to have lost your skeptical, open-mindedness... to go full "in-the-tank" for the Democrats. Oh well...
Likewise. You've lost it completely. I'm not full "in-the-tank" for the Democrats. Just calling out a complete farce in office. That has nothing to do with Obama/Hillary/the Democrats.
actually, this had everything to do with them. You recall Trump was running against Hillary. 2 years of Democrats trying to prove that Trump cheated Hillary out of the presidency. An investigation that started with Obama's FBI.
Would really like to see the report instead of Trumper Barr summarizing 2 years of research into 4 pages and then McConnell and Nunnes demanding nobody ever see it.
Yeah, totally on the up and up.
But as you've made very, very clear when the Democrats are in office: you're all about the truth. So I'm glad you agree with me!
I am for truth no matter which side is in power. I probably was more vigilant when Bush was in office because he had many conservatives fooled into thinking he was conservative. I railed against his power grabs and executive orders more than I did against Obama.
As to the report, are you telling me you are going to read and understand 300 pages of legal mumbo jumbo?
The democrat narratives are so hilarious. "just wait until..." Manfort is arrested, oh boy Trump is done. and then next guy, oh boy Trump is finished. "wait until Mueller gives his report" the walls are closing in. Then Mueller sez no collusion. Oh wait Barr has the final word. No collusion. "Mueller is an idiot and Barr is protecting the prez."
You actually think that seeing the whole report would change the narrative? Pay attention. The Mueller investigation which was what every Dem pinned their hopes and fantasies on wasn't what they wanted. It stated exactly the opposite of what they said for 2 years.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
Done with your ignorance pumpf. You cling to lies and fairy tales. Planned Parenthood does ONLY abortions and doesn't provide birth control, STD testing and other services? Even your buddy Savannah knows abortions are only 10-12% of their services. This is why it's useless to argue with you because you don't believe in reality, you just believe in your own opinions no matter how incorrect or misguided. You obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about on most topics you bring up.
Case in point, the Mueller investigation didn't cost $30 million. You realize it made money from confiscation of assets seized from Manafort right? No of course you don't. You don't care that corporations don't pay their share and seem to think it's ok for the government to steal our social security benefits because budget cuts have to come from somewhere! You'd rather support an overly bloated defense budget because we couldn't possibly fund children's healthcare programs. What a sick mindset you have, take care of the rich and corporations and screw everyone else including yourself.
No reply to the links I posted? You suddenly went quiet when I posted articles about everything you dismissed as opinions. Sucks to admit you live in an environment where you don't attempt to digest information that disagrees with your prejudiced opinions.
speaking of lies and fairy tales.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
Done with your ignorance pumpf. You cling to lies and fairy tales. Planned Parenthood does ONLY abortions and doesn't provide birth control, STD testing and other services? Even your buddy Savannah knows abortions are only 10-12% of their services. This is why it's useless to argue with you because you don't believe in reality, you just believe in your own opinions no matter how incorrect or misguided. You obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about on most topics you bring up.
Case in point, the Mueller investigation didn't cost $30 million. You realize it made money from confiscation of assets seized from Manafort right? No of course you don't. You don't care that corporations don't pay their share and seem to think it's ok for the government to steal our social security benefits because budget cuts have to come from somewhere! You'd rather support an overly bloated defense budget because we couldn't possibly fund children's healthcare programs. What a sick mindset you have, take care of the rich and corporations and screw everyone else including yourself.
No reply to the links I posted? You suddenly went quiet when I posted articles about everything you dismissed as opinions. Sucks to admit you live in an environment where you don't attempt to digest information that disagrees with your prejudiced opinions.
From someone who worked for PP:
54% of women who are seeking abortions were using contraception at the time they got pregnant. They know that these methods will eventually fail. And because they have already developed a relationship with these women, they are more likely to go back to them when their method fails. This provides an opportunity for Planned Parenthood to sell them an abortion.
Why does Planned Parenthood provide STD testing? Because they care about the gonorrhea and chlamydia rate in your community? Nope. It’s because they know that people who engage in high risk sexual behavior (therefore leading to STDs) are statistically more likely to also experience an unplanned pregnancy. This is creating another opportunity for Planned Parenthood to sell that patient on their highest revenue generating product… abortion.
I can't post a link to the Washington POST (you know, that bastion of right-wing news) that gave 3 pinochios to the PP statistics you're citing (because I won't pay for their work), but it was cited elsewhere.
As for those OTHER services (some of which, like mammograms, have long ago been de-bunked: all they do is refer women somewhere else): Why can't we agree to take all the tax-money being given to PP and give it to other women's clinics who do all those OTHER things- except for abortions? Can't we at least agree on that?
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
Done with your ignorance pumpf. You cling to lies and fairy tales. Planned Parenthood does ONLY abortions and doesn't provide birth control, STD testing and other services? Even your buddy Savannah knows abortions are only 10-12% of their services. This is why it's useless to argue with you because you don't believe in reality, you just believe in your own opinions no matter how incorrect or misguided. You obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about on most topics you bring up.
Case in point, the Mueller investigation didn't cost $30 million. You realize it made money from confiscation of assets seized from Manafort right? No of course you don't. You don't care that corporations don't pay their share and seem to think it's ok for the government to steal our social security benefits because budget cuts have to come from somewhere! You'd rather support an overly bloated defense budget because we couldn't possibly fund children's healthcare programs. What a sick mindset you have, take care of the rich and corporations and screw everyone else including yourself.
No reply to the links I posted? You suddenly went quiet when I posted articles about everything you dismissed as opinions. Sucks to admit you live in an environment where you don't attempt to digest information that disagrees with your prejudiced opinions.
The problem is that he's not alone. It seems like all of the Trumpers are wired this way.
I'm not a Trumper... and (in response to a previous comment) I didn't mention any kind of religion until the 3rd or 4th paragraph; not the first sentence (where you stopped reading, apparently).
Youre better off reading all 300 pages yourself and deciding than waiting for Left OR Right media to spin it...
I think back to the Everson Griffen situation; there was a police report PDF that gave us real insight to how it developed. Then there was the media, making shit up and tripping over facts. The police report contains quotes from Trae Waynes fiance; the media reports Waynes denies involvement and then thats it. Now just talking about that fact, that she was mentioned in the report, feels like a dirty conspiracy...
Just read it yourself. Dont wait for CNN, dont wait for Fox ot MSNBC or Vice or Breitbart... go read it.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
Done with your ignorance pumpf. You cling to lies and fairy tales. Planned Parenthood does ONLY abortions and doesn't provide birth control, STD testing and other services? Even your buddy Savannah knows abortions are only 10-12% of their services. This is why it's useless to argue with you because you don't believe in reality, you just believe in your own opinions no matter how incorrect or misguided. You obviously don't have any idea what you're talking about on most topics you bring up.
Case in point, the Mueller investigation didn't cost $30 million. You realize it made money from confiscation of assets seized from Manafort right? No of course you don't. You don't care that corporations don't pay their share and seem to think it's ok for the government to steal our social security benefits because budget cuts have to come from somewhere! You'd rather support an overly bloated defense budget because we couldn't possibly fund children's healthcare programs. What a sick mindset you have, take care of the rich and corporations and screw everyone else including yourself.
No reply to the links I posted? You suddenly went quiet when I posted articles about everything you dismissed as opinions. Sucks to admit you live in an environment where you don't attempt to digest information that disagrees with your prejudiced opinions.
speaking of lies and fairy tales.
Speaking of dumbassery:
https://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/planned-p
Abortions accounted for 3 percent of the nearly 10.6 million total services provided by Planned Parenthood clinics in 2013, according to its annual report.
Some services it provided in addition to abortions were:- 4.5 million tests and treatment for sexually transmitted infections
- 3.6 million contraception related services
- 935,573 cancer screenings including breast exams and Pap tests
- 1.1 million pregnancy tests and prenatal services
Go ahead and dispute it with a fact checked source if you're so well informed ...
Oh and Pumpf, of course you didn't look at my links. Why? Because they are facts that prove once again you're just an ignorant dipshit that accuses me of opinions and claims they're not facts, makes fun for me not posting sources, and when I do post sources to back up my claims to prove my claims are factual, you turn and tuck your tail and act like it didn't happen.
And yet here we are again ... you two looking like Dumb and Dumber because you have no idea what PP offers but insisting I'm wrong.
This is the problem with many of you conservatives. Too many of you suffer from Dunning Kruger syndrome and have no idea what's fact vs fiction.
By the way pumpf how many kids have you adopted? I assume you must have given the Duggar family a run for their money ...
LOL - it is funny seeing how the roles have reversed. For 8 years we saw all the same arguments but reverse the crying.
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