Quote: @AGRforever said:
its clear to me that half the country think the other half is delusional and all we’re going to here is argue which side we’re on.
I agree. But it's not 50/50. The true right and left is really more like 39/38. There's another percentage. Some lean one way or the other. However don't identify with either extreme ends. So much of this country is focused on the ends. Far right and left. The red vs blue. There are some who dislike both sides. We are colorless. Call us the white. If you want America to be great you need the red white and blue to work together.
I had a dream and it died. So now I just don't give a ****. Y'all delusional ta me.
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
Hahaha you're just wrong. What's not factual in that?!
This is scary that so much of the country is doing this.
These are not "facts":
Trump lied about his knowledge and involvement with Russia. He sided with Putin's word over our own US intelligence agencies, that is also a fact. He had 2 Chiefs of Staff, both military generals, resign, one who admitted he quit because of his pro-Russian stances. All publicly known facts.
The smoking gun of did Trump coordinate all this with Russia couldn't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. But sweet Jesus that doesn't change the facts of Trump lying about meeting Russians, of Trump Jr. accepting an invitation to get dirt on an opponent from a hostile nation, and Trump's campaign manager meeting with a Russian to give polling information to.
I realize you boys are taking a vixtory lap because your Trump appointed lapdog AG says he reviewed 700 pages of a report in 48 hours and found no evidence, but not all of us fell off the turnip truck yesterday.
Regardless of lack of charges doesn't mean Trump wasn't doing some extremely shady, unethical shit that if the Democrats had done, you'd all be losing your minds right now and you all fucking know it.
But hey, let's have a cheer for Betsy Devos cutting funds for the Special Olympics because we needed to prioritize the millionaires getting tax cuts to make America great again. Yipeee!
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Those are pretty obviously opinions. As for Trump taking sides with Russia, it appears that they may have been more trustworthy than our own intelligence community. Have you read anything about how all this process got started... and the lengths that the DOJ / FBI went to (at the end of the Obama administration) to protect / shield Clinton for HER illegal activities? If so, then you'd understand how- after just taking over as president- Trump might not have trusted US intelligence, especially when there was a coordinated effort ON THEIR PART to tilt the election in one direction. Is that better (more ethical) than the Russians doing it? Yeah, I guess so... but considering their own positions, they're not exactly "clean".
And remind me again, which president was it who said- under his breath (and presumably off the record) that he'd have more "flexibility" to work with the Russians once he was re-elected?
And remind me again which political party went crazy when a Republican candidate for president warned that Russia was a "problem"?
I've always considered you to be pretty straightforward and intellectually honest about things. In fact, I've admired your willingness to speak truth- no matter how uncomfortable it might be for others to hear. But with these comments, you seem to have lost your skeptical, open-mindedness... to go full "in-the-tank" for the Democrats. Oh well...
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ AGRforever said:
its clear to me that half the country think the other half is delusional and all we’re going to here is argue which side we’re on.
I agree. But it's not 50/50. The true right and left is really more like 39/38. There's another percentage. Some lean one way or the other. However don't identify with either extreme ends. So much of this country is focused on the ends. Far right and left. The red vs blue. There are some who dislike both sides. We are colorless. Call us the white. If you want America to be great you need the red white and blue to work together.
I had a dream and it died. So now I just don't give a ****. Y'all delusional ta me.
I agree I was simplfying it with 50/50. I’m a fiscal conservative. I havent voted for any incumbent in any election in almost 2 decades. I align more with republicans but slant heavily toward libritarianism. Neither party comes close to what Id like to see done.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ AGRforever said:
its clear to me that half the country think the other half is delusional and all we’re going to here is argue which side we’re on.
I agree. But it's not 50/50. The true right and left is really more like 39/38. There's another percentage. Some lean one way or the other. However don't identify with either extreme ends. So much of this country is focused on the ends. Far right and left. The red vs blue. There are some who dislike both sides. We are colorless. Call us the white. If you want America to be great you need the red white and blue to work together.
I had a dream and it died. So now I just don't give a ****. Y'all delusional ta me.
I agree I was simplfying it with 50/50. I’m a fiscal conservative. I havent voted for any incumbent in any election in almost 2 decades. I align more with republicans but slant heavily toward libritarianism. Neither party comes close to what Id like to see done.
I lean left on social issues. You know personal stuff. I lean right on budget issues. My 1st presidential election I was part of was 1980. I voted John Anderson. It started a lifetime of pride in sticking to my principles. I vote libertarian often. If there's no independent on my ballot I've been known to leave that race blank. I won't write in. None of the above is my choice. I've been told I'm throwing my vote away for simply voting independent anyhow. So no vote is my choice and I'm fine with it sometimes. I remember once when my ballot got fed into the machine I was told you have several blanks. I said yes. So... I guess they were worried then about me making a mistake. Leaving it blank was my way of avoiding one. Now the new ballots don't care I guess. Because I still sometimes leave blanks and don't have to explain why.
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
@ AGRforever
Pretty spot on.
And I see the other responses from other posters, and no: I don't expect them to literally release the report as it is right now. They can't, I understand that.
But Barr is a Trump guy, so we all know he's gonna scrub the stuff he needs to for legal reasons, and anything that'd make Trump look bad as well. It was a waste of time and money from the start.
yall are only saying it was a waste since it didnt side with the opinion you had already crafted in your mind. yall were all for it for two plus years and now the change ofheart?
Not at all. Russia attacked us, period. That is a fact. They were determined to help Trump win, that is also fact. Trump lied about his knowledge and involvement with Russia. He sided with Putin's word over our own US intelligence agencies, that is also a fact. He had 2 Chiefs of Staff, both military generals, resign, one who admitted he quit because of his pro-Russian stances. All publicly known facts.
The smoking gun of did Trump coordinate all this with Russia couldn't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. But sweet Jesus that doesn't change the facts of Trump lying about meeting Russians, of Trump Jr. accepting an invitation to get dirt on an opponent from a hostile nation, and Trump's campaign manager meeting with a Russian to give polling information to.
I realize you boys are taking a vixtory lap because your Trump appointed lapdog AG says he reviewed 700 pages of a report in 48 hours and found no evidence, but not all of us fell off the turnip truck yesterday.
Regardless of lack of charges doesn't mean Trump wasn't doing some extremely shady, unethical shit that if the Democrats had done, you'd all be losing your minds right now and you all fucking know it.
But hey, let's have a cheer for Betsy Devos cutting funds for the Special Olympics because we needed to prioritize the millionaires getting tax cuts to make America great again. Yipeee!
A post loaded with facts, but you won't change a single mind. The Trump-voter brain needs to be studied. Rather than admit any of this, they'll resort to "Yeah but Obama/Hillary..." stuff and just move along supporting a stable genuis because he has an R next to his name.
If they were really facts, SF could've posted links (even to the HuffPo). He got those facts from somewhere; let's see where. Here I am: change my mind.
Hahaha you're just wrong. What's not factual in that?!
This is scary that so much of the country is doing this.
I know. Pumpf is such a trumpie.
Writing sentences ending in a period does not make the statement a fact.
Quote: @pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
Hahaha you're just wrong. What's not factual in that?!
This is scary that so much of the country is doing this.
These are not "facts":
Trump lied about his knowledge and involvement with Russia. He sided with Putin's word over our own US intelligence agencies, that is also a fact. He had 2 Chiefs of Staff, both military generals, resign, one who admitted he quit because of his pro-Russian stances. All publicly known facts.
The smoking gun of did Trump coordinate all this with Russia couldn't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. But sweet Jesus that doesn't change the facts of Trump lying about meeting Russians, of Trump Jr. accepting an invitation to get dirt on an opponent from a hostile nation, and Trump's campaign manager meeting with a Russian to give polling information to.
I realize you boys are taking a vixtory lap because your Trump appointed lapdog AG says he reviewed 700 pages of a report in 48 hours and found no evidence, but not all of us fell off the turnip truck yesterday.
Regardless of lack of charges doesn't mean Trump wasn't doing some extremely shady, unethical shit that if the Democrats had done, you'd all be losing your minds right now and you all fucking know it.
But hey, let's have a cheer for Betsy Devos cutting funds for the Special Olympics because we needed to prioritize the millionaires getting tax cuts to make America great again. Yipeee!
****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
Those are pretty obviously opinions. As for Trump taking sides with Russia, it appears that they may have been more trustworthy than our own intelligence community. Have you read anything about how all this process got started... and the lengths that the DOJ / FBI went to (at the end of the Obama administration) to protect / shield Clinton for HER illegal activities? If so, then you'd understand how- after just taking over as president- Trump might not have trusted US intelligence, especially when there was a coordinated effort ON THEIR PART to tilt the election in one direction. Is that better (more ethical) than the Russians doing it? Yeah, I guess so... but considering their own positions, they're not exactly "clean".
And remind me again, which president was it who said- under his breath (and presumably off the record) that he'd have more "flexibility" to work with the Russians once he was re-elected?
And remind me again which political party went crazy when a Republican candidate for president warned that Russia was a "problem"?
I've always considered you to be pretty straightforward and intellectually honest about things. In fact, I've admired your willingness to speak truth- no matter how uncomfortable it might be for others to hear. But with these comments, you seem to have lost your skeptical, open-mindedness... to go full "in-the-tank" for the Democrats. Oh well...
Likewise. You've lost it completely. I'm not full "in-the-tank" for the Democrats. Just calling out a complete farce in office. That has nothing to do with Obama/Hillary/the Democrats.
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
@ KingBash said:
@ pumpf said:
Hahaha you're just wrong. What's not factual in that?!
This is scary that so much of the country is doing this.
These are not "facts":
Trump lied about his knowledge and involvement with Russia. He sided with Putin's word over our own US intelligence agencies, that is also a fact. He had 2 Chiefs of Staff, both military generals, resign, one who admitted he quit because of his pro-Russian stances. All publicly known facts.
The smoking gun of did Trump coordinate all this with Russia couldn't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. But sweet Jesus that doesn't change the facts of Trump lying about meeting Russians, of Trump Jr. accepting an invitation to get dirt on an opponent from a hostile nation, and Trump's campaign manager meeting with a Russian to give polling information to.
I realize you boys are taking a vixtory lap because your Trump appointed lapdog AG says he reviewed 700 pages of a report in 48 hours and found no evidence, but not all of us fell off the turnip truck yesterday.
Regardless of lack of charges doesn't mean Trump wasn't doing some extremely shady, unethical shit that if the Democrats had done, you'd all be losing your minds right now and you all fucking know it.
But hey, let's have a cheer for Betsy Devos cutting funds for the Special Olympics because we needed to prioritize the millionaires getting tax cuts to make America great again. Yipeee!
****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
Those are pretty obviously opinions. As for Trump taking sides with Russia, it appears that they may have been more trustworthy than our own intelligence community. Have you read anything about how all this process got started... and the lengths that the DOJ / FBI went to (at the end of the Obama administration) to protect / shield Clinton for HER illegal activities? If so, then you'd understand how- after just taking over as president- Trump might not have trusted US intelligence, especially when there was a coordinated effort ON THEIR PART to tilt the election in one direction. Is that better (more ethical) than the Russians doing it? Yeah, I guess so... but considering their own positions, they're not exactly "clean".
And remind me again, which president was it who said- under his breath (and presumably off the record) that he'd have more "flexibility" to work with the Russians once he was re-elected?
And remind me again which political party went crazy when a Republican candidate for president warned that Russia was a "problem"?
I've always considered you to be pretty straightforward and intellectually honest about things. In fact, I've admired your willingness to speak truth- no matter how uncomfortable it might be for others to hear. But with these comments, you seem to have lost your skeptical, open-mindedness... to go full "in-the-tank" for the Democrats. Oh well...
Likewise. You've lost it completely. I'm not full "in-the-tank" for the Democrats. Just calling out a complete farce in office. That has nothing to do with Obama/Hillary/the Democrats.
actually, this had everything to do with them. You recall Trump was running against Hillary. 2 years of Democrats trying to prove that Trump cheated Hillary out of the presidency. An investigation that started with Obama's FBI.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
@ AGRforever
Pretty spot on.
And I see the other responses from other posters, and no: I don't expect them to literally release the report as it is right now. They can't, I understand that.
But Barr is a Trump guy, so we all know he's gonna scrub the stuff he needs to for legal reasons, and anything that'd make Trump look bad as well. It was a waste of time and money from the start.
yall are only saying it was a waste since it didnt side with the opinion you had already crafted in your mind. yall were all for it for two plus years and now the change ofheart?
But hey, let's have a cheer for Betsy Devos cutting funds for the Special Olympics because we needed to prioritize the millionaires getting tax cuts to make America great again. Yipeee!
So... you're going to pretend that you care about the Special Olympics? Give me a break! You don't give A SH*T about the Special Olympics! How do I know? Because over 90% of kids with Down Syndrome are aborted. In fact, many families take a test just to see if their kids will have "special needs" (which are sometimes / often wrong, by the way)... and then- when they find out that their kid does (might) have special needs: they kill her. All with YOUR approval.
It's pretty hard to say that the participants in the Special Olympics are beautiful, important people with inherent value, worth and dignity... when you are- at the same time- OK with them being killed for being who they are. Or, as in the case of Iceland, trying to eliminate them from the human race. Seems like Democrats (based on the fact that they whole-heartedly support a mother's choice to kill a child with special needs- just because he has special needs) would prefer to see ALL funding cut for the Special OIympics. Maybe we should re-name it as "the Hunger Games", since it takes alot of luck for a special needs child to survive her time in the womb. The odds are certainly against her. Thanks to people like you.
I think a big problem with our media and our usage of the
media right now is that we pretend to know what “the facts” are. The media seems to be in a place where they
don’t do much research. They aren’t
really fact-checking. Someone just tells
them something and it gets repeated a lot by a lot of people and if it meets
their narrative, it’s a “fact”. If their
news source says it, it’s a “fact”. That’s
not what a fact is. A fact is
objectively true and anyone can verify it.
I think a lot of what we get is something that’s like:
- A Source tells a reporter
that some person did something bad.
The reporter reports that the person did something bad.
What is the fact here?
We can objectively state what the journalist reported. We can ‘t really immediately verify if the
reporter was lying with what they said or taking something out of context, or
leaving out important context. We also
can’t really immediately verify if the reporter was telling the truth, but
their source was lying or if they stated things in a way that led the reporter
down a specific path. If we believe that
what the journalist says is true, we are using faith that the journalist and
their source are telling the whole truth, that they’ve analyzed the situation to
it’s full extent.
I don’t really expect people on a message board to be doing
research papers with citations and whatnot, but I do expect my news to do it.
I think of the old adage, "you can't change anyone's mind on a message board." ... I think there are a lot of people who believe they live on a message board in real life.
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