Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
cult is highly loyal, but relentless attacks on everything and everyone are driving the independent people away in droves.
How anyone supports this compulsive liar, con man, gets reasonable people to hate the free press, hate our allies, hate veterans and embrace Russia, N. Korea and the Saudis and their terrorists will be a case study of American history for centuries to come ... this was the turning point in America. We lost too many people down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, lies, who have been brainwashed to cheer on the dismantling of healthcare, education and social security t
RIP Democratic Party
fixed it for you.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ KingBash said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ KingBash said:
Yeah, no collusion at all! It was a completely legitimate election, Russia played no part in it and none of those men indicted who worked for Trump had anything to do with Russia.
Release the whole report maybe?
Look, I don't think there was some nefarious back-room scheme between Trump and Putin, but I think even conservatives would agree his financial interest with Russia was collusion enough.
Is it even remotley possible that the media lied to you just like Trump has been saying for 3 years?
Here's Brennan backing away from his 3 years of BS: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201...a-on-trum/
Here's Clapper blaming Obama &feature=youtu.be
So who else are we waiting on? Commey next right?
Yeah, they really are the enemy of the people...
Holy shit. Half of this country is so completely brainwashed it honestly just baffles me.
I know, I can't understand what you don't see??
What you don't realize is you guys just re-elected trump. Every single rally he does from now on he can talk about the witch hunt and anything new that comes up he'll be given a pass on.
You guys lost 2020 over the weekend.
If you think the independent voters who voted against Hillary more than they voted for Trump are coming back for another 4 years of Trump you're insane.
If you think the disgruntled Democrats who didn't vote at all after Bernie was knocked out in favor of Hillary are going to stay home and not vote again, you're in for a rude awakening.
Trump's cult is highly loyal, but his relentless attacks on everything and everyone are driving the independent people away in droves.
How anyone supports this compulsive liar, con man, is beyond bafflibg to me. Trump gets reasonable people to hate liberals, hate Dems, hate the free press, hate our allies, hate veterans & POWs, yet he embraces Russia, N. Korea and the Saudis and their terrorists ...how this happened from memes, social media, conspiracy theories that spread like wildfire and believed will be a case study of American history for centuries to come ... this was the turning point in America. We lost too many reasonable people down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, lies, people who have been brainwashed to cheer on the dismantling of their own healthcare, education and social security to pay for tax cuts to the rich.
The damage that's been done is permanent, you've accepted the media is the enemy of the people and to only believe Trump's Twitter feed, Fox News and rightwing propaganda and there's no pulling some of you back to reality as you prefer the GOP echo chambers.
RIP America 1776-2019
You know what Im hearing? People that were on the right and the middle and even a few lefties sprinkled in here and there asking if the media lied about this what else are they up for.
Youre right. A week ago there wasnt a snowballs chance in hell. 1 out of 100 or less? Now Im over 50/50 he gets re elected.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ KingBash said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ KingBash said:
Yeah, no collusion at all! It was a completely legitimate election, Russia played no part in it and none of those men indicted who worked for Trump had anything to do with Russia.
Release the whole report maybe?
Look, I don't think there was some nefarious back-room scheme between Trump and Putin, but I think even conservatives would agree his financial interest with Russia was collusion enough.
Is it even remotley possible that the media lied to you just like Trump has been saying for 3 years?
Here's Brennan backing away from his 3 years of BS: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201...a-on-trum/
Here's Clapper blaming Obama &feature=youtu.be
So who else are we waiting on? Commey next right?
Yeah, they really are the enemy of the people...
Holy shit. Half of this country is so completely brainwashed it honestly just baffles me.
I know, I can't understand what you don't see??
What you don't realize is you guys just re-elected trump. Every single rally he does from now on he can talk about the witch hunt and anything new that comes up he'll be given a pass on.
You guys lost 2020 over the weekend.
If you think the independent voters who voted against Hillary more than they voted for Trump are coming back for another 4 years of Trump you're insane.
If you think the disgruntled Democrats who didn't vote at all after Bernie was knocked out in favor of Hillary are going to stay home and not vote again, you're in for a rude awakening.
Trump's cult is highly loyal, but his relentless attacks on everything and everyone are driving the independent people away in droves.
How anyone supports this compulsive liar, con man, is beyond bafflibg to me. Trump gets reasonable people to hate liberals, hate Dems, hate the free press, hate our allies, hate veterans & POWs, yet he embraces Russia, N. Korea and the Saudis and their terrorists ...how this happened from memes, social media, conspiracy theories that spread like wildfire and believed will be a case study of American history for centuries to come ... this was the turning point in America. We lost too many reasonable people down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, lies, people who have been brainwashed to cheer on the dismantling of their own healthcare, education and social security to pay for tax cuts to the rich.
The damage that's been done is permanent, you've accepted the media is the enemy of the people and to only believe Trump's Twitter feed, Fox News and rightwing propaganda and there's no pulling some of you back to reality as you prefer the GOP echo chambers.
RIP America 1776-2019
It's honestly mind blowing. I don't even know what to say anymore.
This thread would be hilarious... if it were about politics in a small town somewhere. Unfortunately, power is getting more and more centralized in the gov't... which means that this stuff is "real".. and will affect everyone (in some way or another). That's what makes it so sad.
Where was our liberal leaning, Bush-joke-crackin media back in the mid 2000s when the largest Anti War Protest in American history took place? Crickets...
They sat there and acted somber as they gave us mission details. The protest was hardly acknowledged. They didnt pound the table and say no on behalf of the American people. That "bias," which was largely accepted as funny back then, was nonexistant in the voice against the war.
It was going to happen, and it didnt matter what we thought. They sold the shit out of a War with Saadam without challenging the very administration they routinely called incompetent. When the entire world gathered at the UN and was sold lies... media? crickets...
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I only go "there" because my distrust for media stems from how they react to things i believe are right on both sides of our political spectrum. Sometimes the media shows us "that side" when breaking down Vikings Football; where the story isnt about reporting a fact as much as it's designed to control throught or opinion. Spin, censoring, whatever.
This has been building since 2015. Since 2012. Since 2004 and 2001... Russian Collusion wasnt the catylist that sparked this media distrust.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
@ AGRforever said:
I know, I can't understand what you don't see??
What you don't realize is you guys just re-elected trump. Every single rally he does from now on he can talk about the witch hunt and anything new that comes up he'll be given a pass on.
You guys lost 2020 over the weekend.
If you think the independent voters who voted against Hillary more than they voted for Trump are coming back for another 4 years of Trump you're insane.
If you think the disgruntled Democrats who didn't vote at all after Bernie was knocked out in favor of Hillary are going to stay home and not vote again, you're in for a rude awakening.
Trump's cult is highly loyal, but his relentless attacks on everything and everyone are driving the independent people away in droves.
How anyone supports this compulsive liar, con man, is beyond bafflibg to me. Trump gets reasonable people to hate liberals, hate Dems, hate the free press, hate our allies, hate veterans & POWs, yet he embraces Russia, N. Korea and the Saudis and their terrorists ...how this happened from memes, social media, conspiracy theories that spread like wildfire and believed will be a case study of American history for centuries to come ... this was the turning point in America. We lost too many reasonable people down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, lies, people who have been brainwashed to cheer on the dismantling of their own healthcare, education and social security to pay for tax cuts to the rich.
The damage that's been done is permanent, you've accepted the media is the enemy of the people and to only believe Trump's Twitter feed, Fox News and rightwing propaganda and there's no pulling some of you back to reality as you prefer the GOP echo chambers.
RIP America 1776-2019
I actually think it’s the exact opposite. I think the democrats have been alienating
their voter base for a while now. The
people who were voting for Bernie very clearly saw that the whole system was
rigged against them in the primaries.
They saw that their vote didn’t matter.
I think the Democratic party has been running a very negative press
strategy, where every opponent they have is called Hitler, a racist, a misogynist,
or a bigot of some kind. People have
very clearly seen the media jump to very anti-republican or anti-Trump conclusions
on 3 very public instances, and then the truth comes out and they were shown as
very biased in their reporting. This
occurred with Kavanaugh, Covington and Smollet.
I think people in general are getting very sick of this attack style of
campaigning, especially when it’s not true.
Continuing on this thought, the Democrats haven't had a notable
constructive policy between Obamacare and the Green New Deal. Pretty much the Democrats strategy has been
divide and conquer with identity politics, where half the people are victims
and the other half are victimizers. I
don’t think most people want to be categorized as perpetual victims and I
definitely don’t think people want to be categorized as victimizers. Trump for all the attacks in his campaigns
balanced it out with positive political promises. He said, the economy sucks, I will fix it for
you. The economy sucks for all of
us. It’s something we can all get
behind. He says he’s working on human
trafficking. Is there anyone that’s
against human trafficking?
The Democrats will not win 2020 on the back of Anti-Trump,
especially as we get shown more and more examples of the media and politicians
making accusations against the right that turn out to be false.
Furthermore, I think the Democrats are splitting into three
groups, both in terms of candidates and in terms of voters. There’s a smaller group of more socialist
minded people that are pulling away from the main party. They are the only ones with a constructive
viewpoint, backing around heavy reform with ideas like the Green New Deal. They are the only ones capturing the energy
of people who want to build a better future, which is a key part of this time
period, but a switch to socialism is a big pill to swallow for a lot of people. The second group is the identity politics
group. They just seem like anti-everyone
and it’s only a matter of time before they drive all their voters away, as you
can very clearly see them shaming a group that is similar to you no matter who
you are. Both of these groups have left
the moderates behind. They no longer
have a party to vote for. They don’t
have any campaign platforms at all.
Trump is closer to a moderate democrat voter than either of the other
two more vocal democratic subgroups.
Just watch any of the "Walk Away" videos on youtube. They capture this dynamic pretty well.
Quote: @medaille said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
@ AGRforever said:
I know, I can't understand what you don't see??
What you don't realize is you guys just re-elected trump. Every single rally he does from now on he can talk about the witch hunt and anything new that comes up he'll be given a pass on.
You guys lost 2020 over the weekend.
If you think the independent voters who voted against Hillary more than they voted for Trump are coming back for another 4 years of Trump you're insane.
If you think the disgruntled Democrats who didn't vote at all after Bernie was knocked out in favor of Hillary are going to stay home and not vote again, you're in for a rude awakening.
Trump's cult is highly loyal, but his relentless attacks on everything and everyone are driving the independent people away in droves.
How anyone supports this compulsive liar, con man, is beyond bafflibg to me. Trump gets reasonable people to hate liberals, hate Dems, hate the free press, hate our allies, hate veterans & POWs, yet he embraces Russia, N. Korea and the Saudis and their terrorists ...how this happened from memes, social media, conspiracy theories that spread like wildfire and believed will be a case study of American history for centuries to come ... this was the turning point in America. We lost too many reasonable people down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, lies, people who have been brainwashed to cheer on the dismantling of their own healthcare, education and social security to pay for tax cuts to the rich.
The damage that's been done is permanent, you've accepted the media is the enemy of the people and to only believe Trump's Twitter feed, Fox News and rightwing propaganda and there's no pulling some of you back to reality as you prefer the GOP echo chambers.
RIP America 1776-2019
I actually think it’s the exact opposite. I think the democrats have been alienating
their voter base for a while now. The
people who were voting for Bernie very clearly saw that the whole system was
rigged against them in the primaries.
They saw that their vote didn’t matter.
I think the Democratic party has been running a very negative press
strategy, where every opponent they have is called Hitler, a racist, a misogynist,
or a bigot of some kind. People have
very clearly seen the media jump to very anti-republican or anti-Trump conclusions
on 3 very public instances, and then the truth comes out and they were shown as
very biased in their reporting. This
occurred with Kavanaugh, Covington and Smollet.
I think people in general are getting very sick of this attack style of
campaigning, especially when it’s not true.
Continuing on this thought, the Democrats haven't had a notable
constructive policy between Obamacare and the Green New Deal. Pretty much the Democrats strategy has been
divide and conquer with identity politics, where half the people are victims
and the other half are victimizers. I
don’t think most people want to be categorized as perpetual victims and I
definitely don’t think people want to be categorized as victimizers. Trump for all the attacks in his campaigns
balanced it out with positive political promises. He said, the economy sucks, I will fix it for
you. The economy sucks for all of
us. It’s something we can all get
behind. He says he’s working on human
trafficking. Is there anyone that’s
against human trafficking?
The Democrats will not win 2020 on the back of Anti-Trump,
especially as we get shown more and more examples of the media and politicians
making accusations against the right that turn out to be false.
Furthermore, I think the Democrats are splitting into three
groups, both in terms of candidates and in terms of voters. There’s a smaller group of more socialist
minded people that are pulling away from the main party. They are the only ones with a constructive
viewpoint, backing around heavy reform with ideas like the Green New Deal. They are the only ones capturing the energy
of people who want to build a better future, which is a key part of this time
period, but a switch to socialism is a big pill to swallow for a lot of people. The second group is the identity politics
group. They just seem like anti-everyone
and it’s only a matter of time before they drive all their voters away, as you
can very clearly see them shaming a group that is similar to you no matter who
you are. Both of these groups have left
the moderates behind. They no longer
have a party to vote for. They don’t
have any campaign platforms at all.
Trump is closer to a moderate democrat voter than either of the other
two more vocal democratic subgroups.
Just watch any of the "Walk Away" videos on youtube. They capture this dynamic pretty well.
I'm not disagreeing. I think - as a whole - the Democrats have turned into a real joke. What they did to Bernie, yes, was criminal and it doesn't look like they've learned their lesson.
But none of this changes how absolutely terrible this Trump administration is.
EDIT: And now we're learning Barr won't even release the report, but he'll just summarize it. Wonderful.
Typical corrupt Republicans. How can anybody justify this?
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ medaille said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
@ AGRforever said:
I know, I can't understand what you don't see??
What you don't realize is you guys just re-elected trump. Every single rally he does from now on he can talk about the witch hunt and anything new that comes up he'll be given a pass on.
You guys lost 2020 over the weekend.
If you think the independent voters who voted against Hillary more than they voted for Trump are coming back for another 4 years of Trump you're insane.
If you think the disgruntled Democrats who didn't vote at all after Bernie was knocked out in favor of Hillary are going to stay home and not vote again, you're in for a rude awakening.
Trump's cult is highly loyal, but his relentless attacks on everything and everyone are driving the independent people away in droves.
How anyone supports this compulsive liar, con man, is beyond bafflibg to me. Trump gets reasonable people to hate liberals, hate Dems, hate the free press, hate our allies, hate veterans & POWs, yet he embraces Russia, N. Korea and the Saudis and their terrorists ...how this happened from memes, social media, conspiracy theories that spread like wildfire and believed will be a case study of American history for centuries to come ... this was the turning point in America. We lost too many reasonable people down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, lies, people who have been brainwashed to cheer on the dismantling of their own healthcare, education and social security to pay for tax cuts to the rich.
The damage that's been done is permanent, you've accepted the media is the enemy of the people and to only believe Trump's Twitter feed, Fox News and rightwing propaganda and there's no pulling some of you back to reality as you prefer the GOP echo chambers.
RIP America 1776-2019
I actually think it’s the exact opposite. I think the democrats have been alienating
their voter base for a while now. The
people who were voting for Bernie very clearly saw that the whole system was
rigged against them in the primaries.
They saw that their vote didn’t matter.
I think the Democratic party has been running a very negative press
strategy, where every opponent they have is called Hitler, a racist, a misogynist,
or a bigot of some kind. People have
very clearly seen the media jump to very anti-republican or anti-Trump conclusions
on 3 very public instances, and then the truth comes out and they were shown as
very biased in their reporting. This
occurred with Kavanaugh, Covington and Smollet.
I think people in general are getting very sick of this attack style of
campaigning, especially when it’s not true.
Continuing on this thought, the Democrats haven't had a notable
constructive policy between Obamacare and the Green New Deal. Pretty much the Democrats strategy has been
divide and conquer with identity politics, where half the people are victims
and the other half are victimizers. I
don’t think most people want to be categorized as perpetual victims and I
definitely don’t think people want to be categorized as victimizers. Trump for all the attacks in his campaigns
balanced it out with positive political promises. He said, the economy sucks, I will fix it for
you. The economy sucks for all of
us. It’s something we can all get
behind. He says he’s working on human
trafficking. Is there anyone that’s
against human trafficking?
The Democrats will not win 2020 on the back of Anti-Trump,
especially as we get shown more and more examples of the media and politicians
making accusations against the right that turn out to be false.
Furthermore, I think the Democrats are splitting into three
groups, both in terms of candidates and in terms of voters. There’s a smaller group of more socialist
minded people that are pulling away from the main party. They are the only ones with a constructive
viewpoint, backing around heavy reform with ideas like the Green New Deal. They are the only ones capturing the energy
of people who want to build a better future, which is a key part of this time
period, but a switch to socialism is a big pill to swallow for a lot of people. The second group is the identity politics
group. They just seem like anti-everyone
and it’s only a matter of time before they drive all their voters away, as you
can very clearly see them shaming a group that is similar to you no matter who
you are. Both of these groups have left
the moderates behind. They no longer
have a party to vote for. They don’t
have any campaign platforms at all.
Trump is closer to a moderate democrat voter than either of the other
two more vocal democratic subgroups.
Just watch any of the "Walk Away" videos on youtube. They capture this dynamic pretty well.
I'm not disagreeing. I think - as a whole - the Democrats have turned into a real joke. What they did to Bernie, yes, was criminal and it doesn't look like they've learned their lesson.
But none of this changes how absolutely terrible this Trump administration is.
EDIT: And now we're learning Barr won't even release the report, but he'll just summarize it. Wonderful.
Typical corrupt Republicans. How can anybody justify this?
There's no justification, but that's how the game is played...as Obama used everything he had to bury the "Fast and Furious" gun-running fiasco while he and the Hildebeast were dealing with Russia directly on uranium (what's collusion compared to that?!!), giving Crimea away, and let's face it...the HIldebeast should have been prosecuted repeatedly and thoroughly for the shameless BS she was pulling. Her dumbass hubby having a meeting on the tarmac with the prosecutor during her investigation was SNL-level stupid.
I've railed against both "main" parties forever, and still will...but one thing I have noticed about Trumplestilskin over these past couple of years: for all his lying, obnoxiousness, and moronic misogyny...his actions are rarely without precedent, much of which can be found in the DNC's playbook. Kinda-maybe-sorta having talked with Russians vs. admittedly misusing classified intel, destroying evidence, and then whining about double standards when pushed on the issue?
...yeah, "typical corrupt Republicans" should be "typically corrupt main party BS"...and I have NO idea why anyone supports either traitorous s**t-pile.
Quote: @KingBash said:
EDIT: And now we're learning Barr won't even release the report, but he'll just summarize it. Wonderful.
Typical corrupt Republicans. How can anybody justify this?
oh geez. that's easy.
You know grand jury testimony is secret, right?
now why would that be?
a grand jury proceeding is for the prosecution (mueller, et al) only, to determine if there is testimony that could lead to indictment... and then go to court before a judge.
witnesses do not have their attorneys present... therefore no defense, crossexamination, rebuttals, etc.
so it would be very unfair for grand jury testimony to be shared openly.
that has been a HALLMARK of our legal system, for ages. you know, the
whole 'innocent before proven guilty thingy'. and the 'right to trial thingy'.
As a matter of fact, it would have been a FELONY for AG Barr to have just handed the mueller report over to the press, without redacting sensitive witness testimony that would harm the witness.
google grand jury rules 6e2b
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