Quote: @Jor-El said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
I'm going to start this thread with the intent of documenting all the OL prospects between now and the draft. Feel free to contribute or mock the gesture...
The Draft Network's Kyle Crabbs lists Oklahoma T Cody Ford as a player who earns a first-round evaluation.
Ford (6'4/338) is a player that not only gets varying grades from different analysts, but also varying opinions on where he's going to play at the next level. Mel Kiper Jr. of ESPN believes Ford ends up at guard, but Crabbs calls him a starting right tackle. If teams do believe Ford won't "have" to play guard, it's not hard to see him going in the first 32 picks. If teams are a little unsure, it could see the Sooner fall into Day 2.
I think the "If OG then Day 2" logic is outdated and incorrect. 3 G/C picked in round 1 last year, 4 if you count Isaiah Winn who was similar to Ford in having his position debated.
I agree with that. It's harder to find NFL ready OL right now, so if there's someone available that you feel can be a good starter and contribute right away, then you are better off picking them early. That's part of why there was such a big run on OL last season. Teams did not want to wait around and hope that their guy would be there later. I would expect that things will be similar this year.
You can still develop later round guys, but I think that the mistake that the Vikings made was thinking because you can develop some late round guys that you could build an entire OL that way. OL needs to be an early round priority and I wish they'd give it half the attention they give cornerback.
Quote: @Tyr said:
@ Jor-El said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
I'm going to start this thread with the intent of documenting all the OL prospects between now and the draft. Feel free to contribute or mock the gesture...
The Draft Network's Kyle Crabbs lists Oklahoma T Cody Ford as a player who earns a first-round evaluation.
Ford (6'4/338) is a player that not only gets varying grades from different analysts, but also varying opinions on where he's going to play at the next level. Mel Kiper Jr. of ESPN believes Ford ends up at guard, but Crabbs calls him a starting right tackle. If teams do believe Ford won't "have" to play guard, it's not hard to see him going in the first 32 picks. If teams are a little unsure, it could see the Sooner fall into Day 2.
I think the "If OG then Day 2" logic is outdated and incorrect. 3 G/C picked in round 1 last year, 4 if you count Isaiah Winn who was similar to Ford in having his position debated.
I agree with that. It's harder to find NFL ready OL right now, so if there's someone available that you feel can be a good starter and contribute right away, then you are better off picking them early. That's part of why there was such a big run on OL last season. Teams did not want to wait around and hope that their guy would be there later. I would expect that things will be similar this year.
You can still develop later round guys, but I think that the mistake that the Vikings made was thinking because you can develop some late round guys that you could build an entire OL that way. OL needs to be an early round priority and I wish they'd give it half the attention they give cornerback.
Amen to that brother...the time of trying to turn chicken shit into chicken salad is over...ubless someone like Ferrell slides to 18 that pick and a day 2 pick has to address the OL...
If you haven't already, I think we can now dismiss the Risner 7th round grade thing. Heard this morning it wasn't "scouts" who told Pauline Risner graded as a 7th rounder, it was "Scouts, Inc." In other words, not scouts.
Still love me some Bradbury (Kubiak's going to love him), but more and more I'm thinking Risner makes a lot of sense. Chances he'll be there at 18 are decent. Can play all 5 positions (Vikings will love that kind of versatility), has the length to play tackle, but best position is probably right guard, Vikings most glaring need. Has enough movement for a zone and plays with the kind of passion and toughness Zimmer is looking for. Loved watching him chase down and shove Gruden at the Senior Bowl.
Quote: @Tyr said:
@ Jor-El said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
I'm going to start this thread with the intent of documenting all the OL prospects between now and the draft. Feel free to contribute or mock the gesture...
The Draft Network's Kyle Crabbs lists Oklahoma T Cody Ford as a player who earns a first-round evaluation.
Ford (6'4/338) is a player that not only gets varying grades from different analysts, but also varying opinions on where he's going to play at the next level. Mel Kiper Jr. of ESPN believes Ford ends up at guard, but Crabbs calls him a starting right tackle. If teams do believe Ford won't "have" to play guard, it's not hard to see him going in the first 32 picks. If teams are a little unsure, it could see the Sooner fall into Day 2.
I think the "If OG then Day 2" logic is outdated and incorrect. 3 G/C picked in round 1 last year, 4 if you count Isaiah Winn who was similar to Ford in having his position debated.
I agree with that. It's harder to find NFL ready OL right now, so if there's someone available that you feel can be a good starter and contribute right away, then you are better off picking them early. That's part of why there was such a big run on OL last season. Teams did not want to wait around and hope that their guy would be there later. I would expect that things will be similar this year.
You can still develop later round guys, but I think that the mistake that the Vikings made was thinking because you can develop some late round guys that you could build an entire OL that way. OL needs to be an early round priority and I wish they'd give it half the attention they give cornerback.
Even the best offensive lines in the NFL are a mix of one or two highly drafted players, one or two low rounders and one or two free agents. I would say their problem is less neglect than a mix of bad college and pro scouting (Kalil, Remmers, Compton, Clemmings, Beavers, Yankey), and bad luck (Loadholt, Harris, Easton). I just hope we don't have to worry about Elflein now.
Keep going back to the 2015 draft when all we had to do was take a 7th round flyer on La'el Collins instead of Tyrus Thompson and Austin Shepherd.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
if Rick sees an OLman that he covets and tries to sneak it to the 2nd round because he thinks he will fall that far because he forcasts him to an OG position.... I may slice his sack open and stuff his head into it.
Has Spielman ever coveted an offensive lineman? I think not, and that's at the core of our problems. Few OL are very shiny athletes or objects.
The Athletic's Dane Brugler believes South Carolina WR Deebo Samuel is best suited as a slot receiver and return specialist in the NFL.
Brugler argues that Samuel (5'11/216) would be better off inside and used in a way that allows him to pick up yards after the catch. Built more like a running back, Samuel is a twitchy and balanced play-maker, which has linked him to Carolina Panthers WR D.J. Moore. However, it's unlikely that Samuel posts a 39.5-inch vertical at the NFL Combine as Moore did. Consider Samuel an intriguing Day 2 or early Day 3 slot prospect. The Athletic's Dane Brugler calls Missouri WR Emanuel Hall "one of the best deep threats in the 2019 draft class."
Hall (6'3/200) was head-and-shoulders the best receiver for Drew Lock in 2017 and 2018, and he even led the FBS in yards per target (14.0) among receivers with at least 50 targets. The primary concern for Hall is his injury history, which Brugler calls "worrisome". One on-field area that Brugler argues can be improved is Hall's ability to finish the play, but his "start/stop athleticism" will make NFL corners nervous about getting beat deep the second he steps onto the turf. Hall appears to be on the Day 2/3 borderline, but we will know about his draft stock after the NFL Combine when teams get to access his medicals.
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