Quote: @Zanary said:
What's interesting to me about all this is that the DNC could have gone after Kavanagh on the issues, including (and especially) the lack of adherence to the 4th amendment and our rights...but they preferred to back a soap opera sponsored by the "#metoo" movement, and the GOP's moronic past with women's issues.
Do you think the DNC would have had any success whatsoever if they just went after him for legitimate issues? That's not how this game is played anymore. I agree, they're all a bunch of shitbags at this point, they've gotta start playing as dirty as the Republicans... which is reprehensible.
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ Zanary said:
What's interesting to me about all this is that the DNC could have gone after Kavanagh on the issues, including (and especially) the lack of adherence to the 4th amendment and our rights...but they preferred to back a soap opera sponsored by the "#metoo" movement, and the GOP's moronic past with women's issues.
Do you think the DNC would have had any success whatsoever if they just went after him for legitimate issues? That's not how this game is played anymore. I agree, they're all a bunch of shitbags at this point, they've gotta start playing as dirty as the Republicans... which is reprehensible.
I agree with you both. Honestly the GOP and the right are better mobilized and have done an outstanding job to attack, attack, attack Dems and the Dems just sat back eating shit sandwiches trying to convince themselves the public couldn't possibly be that stupid - like Trump's conspiracy theory that Obama is not a US citizen. This is how Fox News has morphed in the last 10 years, they have shamelessly provided programs for hosts like Hannity to spew nonsense and conspiracy theories and led their gullible viewers so far down the rabbit hole they can no longer discern fact from fiction. They tread ever so carefully with a few elements of half-truths, introduce an alternative explanation and let the viewer draw their own bizarre conclusions. It's a tried and true tactic that has had resounding success and social media has only provided fuel for their fires.
What the Republicans did to Merrick Garland and Obama's right to select a new SCOTUS nominee was unprecedented, but they did it. McConnell's refusal to vote for any Obama legislation, even if it was for the benefit of the people, put us in a new era of obstruction. Republicans have been programmed to call anyone sensible, anyone willing to put party down and reach across the aisle, anyone willing to work together with both parties to accomplish anything with the other party is now seen as a treason, they're all RINO's. McCain while I didn't always agree with his politics was an honorable and reasonable man, yet look at how many conservatives were spouting conspiracy theories about him starting a fire on board the USS Forrestal, or ratting out his other POW's. Trump has hijacked the GOP, and anyone not part of the extreme right or who is a moderate is being crucified.
"Lock her up". How many investigations by Republican committees and a Republican DOJ resulted in zilch, nada over Benghazi and email-gate, yet we still hear the battle cry of "Lock her up" at Trump rallies? Ironic Republicans wanted Hillary thrown in jail without evidence of crimes, yet they had already exonerated Kavanaugh before any testimony was ever heard. Evidence does not matter, truth does not matter, it's all about your team WINNING.
The cat is out of the bag. We've jumped the shark in American politics. Dems tried to take the high road in the past, but found out that not playing dirty only results in election losses if you don't learn to fight dirty too. Now the gloves are off, the circus is in full effect, and Republicans are clutching their pearls that the other side dares to use the dirty tactics they've been using with resounding success.
American politics are a complete shit show and I'm not suggesting the Dems aren't scandal free because they are not. The country has never been this divided, but Trump brought a bombastic concept of tribal warfare with him that I don't see how we will ever unite until he is out of office or in a jail cell. As long as our President continues to insist the real enemy is the media, and our POTUS slams female reporters for "not thinking" while he "falls in love" with love letters from a bloodthirsty unhinged dictator, and Republicans don't speak up (can you imagine Obama doing this what Fox News would be saying??), we'll never find a common ground of decency and morals until that POS is out of office.
The road to recovery to heal this division doesn't exist, and it will be our downfall. IMO Russia has already succeeded.
I think this country is becoming less divided as time goes
on. I think the extreme voices on both
ends of the spectrum dominate the airwaves, but I don’t think that’s
representative of society in general. I
think there’s a strong shift away from the democratic party as people reject a
lot of the rhetoric that seems to be associated with them. So much of their voice is tied into
victimhood modes of thinking, and people aren’t resonating with that as much because
people generally don’t want to be victims and don’t want to be accused like
evil people for things based on their race or gender which they haven’t done. I think this will lead towards a fairly
dominant republican control of the government for better or worse. I think people are generally united on the
idea that we need to reform this shitshow which pretends to govern for us and I
think that the more either party tries to run their opponents through the
wringer two things will happen. 1) Those with skeletons in their closets won’t
seek reelection. 2) Attempts to slander clean candidates will
expose the slanderers for what they are and they will weaken their own base. Both of which act to remove power from the
corrupt inhabitants of Washington.
Quote: @KingBash said:
@ Zanary said:
What's interesting to me about all this is that the DNC could have gone after Kavanagh on the issues, including (and especially) the lack of adherence to the 4th amendment and our rights...but they preferred to back a soap opera sponsored by the "#metoo" movement, and the GOP's moronic past with women's issues.
Do you think the DNC would have had any success whatsoever if they just went after him for legitimate issues? That's not how this game is played anymore. I agree, they're all a bunch of shitbags at this point, they've gotta start playing as dirty as the Republicans... which is reprehensible.
"Start"?
They've been wallowing in the shit with the GOP my entire life, and then some.
anyone who sees a decernable difference between Rs and Ds hadnt been paying attention. Same shit slightly different smell.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
anyone who sees a decernable difference between Rs and Ds hadnt been paying attention. Same shit slightly different smell.
The only difference is who they lie/pander to.
Quote: @SFVikeFan said:
Pumpf, Keith Ellison IS already under investigation. I don't understand why all the Fox News troops on FB and other message boards seem to have completely missed that. He has been under investigation for 6 weeks.
He was investigated by someone hired by the DFL. C'mon; would you allow Kavanaugh to "only" by investigated by the GOP? If you have a link showing that he's been investigated- and cleared- by anyone else, I'm all ears.
Kavanaugh lies? Here's a few: "I grew up in a city plagued by gun violence, gang violence and drug violence". Yep, suburban whitebread Bethesda, Maryland a predominantly white suburb for the affluent, son of a judge & attorney with a very low homicide rate. Poor, rough childhood, sounds like Compton!
I lived in Bel Air, which was about the same distance from Baltimore as Bethesda. And I tell people all the time that I "lived" in Baltimore... and I tell them about all the stuff you described, which caused me to want to move back to the midwest. I guess I'm a liar, too? Considering that both are considered "suburbs" of Baltimore, I would hardly say that he "lied". At most he included Baltimore as part of "his town"... something that people do all the time when they are describing their "homes" to others. I grew up in Waconia, but when people (from out of state) ask, I say I grew up "near the Twin Cities". This is hardly a "lie" worthy of condemnation as a "liar".
The Renate alumni reference? "The yearbook reference was clumsily intended to show affection, and that she was one of us ...it was not related to sex". If you buy that load of garbage, their constant references to that poor girl were nothing more than slut shaming. That's not affection, I can't imagine he'd want his daughters talked about in a yearbook like that.
The explanation of his Yearbook entries to keep his wholesome christian appearances up: "Boofing" means farting, and "The Devil's Triangle" is a drinking game according to Kavanaugh. Nope and nope. Boofing = anal sex, or worse, and Devil's triangle is a 3-sum with 2 guys and a girl. Don't be naive.
"Beach Week Ralph Club". We all know what "ralphing" means, to puke. "I was known to have a week stomach". Oh cut the horseshit, you were knowing for drinking alcohol until you puked. Your best friend Judge even wrote about it in his book that you barfed in people's cars.
He denied partying in summer, but on his calendar there's an entry for "skis with Judge". Brewskis. You're going to tell me a kid who loves to drink would magically stop drinking during summertime when there's no school?
He denied drinking til he blacked out, or if he ever drank to the point where he couldn't remember what happened. According to several classmates they find that VERY difficult to believe.
Regarding all the stuff above, you'll have to forgive me; I'm too busy clutching my pearls to be able to respond. I can't believe that someone might have exaggerated their "goodness" during their teen years. I'd LOVE to see your application for a college scholarship. Would your exaggerations there indicate that you are a serial liar- and, if so- why should anyone believe you now? ALSO: most (all?) of what you listed above is your OPINION that he's lying. That's hardly damning evidence. I think that Al Gore is lying about Global Warming... I guess that makes him a serial liar- because I disagree with him. By the way, I'm pretty sure that you voted for Hillary for the highest office in the world... and she is the biggest liar in our lifetime! And her lies were not only provable falsehoods, some of them had to do with national security (not a silly HS yearbook). But, again: if a Dem does it... then it's OK, right?
"Dr. Ford's testimony is REFUTED by the very people she says were there ..." NOPE. The witness said she didn't recall that particular party, but never refuted it. I went to a ton of parties in high school, I don't remember all of them only the ones where the wa something memorable about them. But as a judge he knows better that's not a true statement, and a lawyer would fry that statement on cross-examination.
Memogate 2004. His testimony that he was not aware of the matter until I learned it from the media. Bullshit, you received 8 pages and an email was produced to prove otherwise.
If you're talking about the Ramirez matter, you're probably relying on the report that left out an important detail: that he DID know that she was asking around about him BUT DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS ABOUT. It's all there in the testimony- if you're willing to read it (and not just the fake news redacted versions). If you're talking about something else, then I don't know what you're talking about.
Memogate II 2006: Questioned about his knowledge of them and he denied it again when up for District of Columbia Circuit Court nomination. It was at this point the American Bar Assocation downgraded Kavanaugh from "well qualified" to "qualified", which would prevent him from a slam-dunk SCOTUS nomination. Multiple interviews with other attorneys and judges and colleagues testified that he showed biases in his rulings and that "his professional experience and the question of his freedom from bias and "open-mindedness" and his "ability to be balanced and fair."
Judge Kozinski: No secret that everyone in his orbit testified that he had a huge reputation for inappropriate comments after 15 women accused him of sexual harassment. Kavanaugh clerked for Kozinski and was very close to him, but says "I do not remember any such comments" when multiple witnesses testified that Kavanaugh was within earshot on numerous occasions.
Is that enough? Face it, Kavanaugh is trying to paint himself as some choir boy and trying to minimize his drinking habits and crude sexual references by blatantly lying about them. To me - if he had OWNED this kind of sophomoric crap it would be no big deal, but he flat out denies or tries to suggest it's something that it's not in an attempt to lessen its impact. That I have a huge problem with, because it's the same pattern of behavior as Trump's struggle with the truth.
You hate Trump- ergo you refuse to go along with anything that he does. But your attempts to paint Kavanaugh as unfit for office are- to me- laughable. If there are any actual lies buried in this stuff above, it is such low-level lying that I feel sorry for those who cling to them to verify their feelings about him. But most of what you're upset about are things from his high school yearbook and subsequent explanations of it. Sad. Let me add this: I don't mean to demean you, SF. I think you're a good guy and a great poster. But these "lies" just seem silly to me. I think your post is "bad"- but I hope you won't take my sarcasm personally. I said it (typed it) with a wry smile.
Honestly, watching Lindsey Graham stump for Kavanaugh, I am pretty sure I don't want the guy on the SCOTUS. Lindsey is for team government, and that pretty much sums up my concerns about this pick.
Quote: @pumpf said:
The Renate alumni reference? "The yearbook reference was clumsily intended to show affection, and that she was one of us ...it was not related to sex". If you buy that load of garbage, their constant references to that poor girl were nothing more than slut shaming. That's not affection, I can't imagine he'd want his daughters talked about in a yearbook like that.
The explanation of his Yearbook entries to keep his wholesome christian appearances up: "Boofing" means farting, and "The Devil's Triangle" is a drinking game according to Kavanaugh. Nope and nope. Boofing = anal sex, or worse, and Devil's triangle is a 3-sum with 2 guys and a girl. Don't be naive.
"Beach Week Ralph Club". We all know what "ralphing" means, to puke. "I was known to have a week stomach". Oh cut the horseshit, you were knowing for drinking alcohol until you puked. Your best friend Judge even wrote about it in his book that you barfed in people's cars.
He denied partying in summer, but on his calendar there's an entry for "skis with Judge". Brewskis. You're going to tell me a kid who loves to drink would magically stop drinking during summertime when there's no school?
He denied drinking til he blacked out, or if he ever drank to the point where he couldn't remember what happened. According to several classmates they find that VERY difficult to believe.
Regarding all the stuff above, you'll have to forgive me; I'm too busy clutching my pearls to be able to respond. I can't believe that someone might have exaggerated their "goodness" during their teen years. I'd LOVE to see your application for a college scholarship. Would your exaggerations there indicate that you are a serial liar- and, if so- why should anyone believe you now? ALSO: most (all?) of what you listed above is your OPINION that he's lying. That's hardly damning evidence. I think that Al Gore is lying about Global Warming... I guess that makes him a serial liar- because I disagree with him. By the way, I'm pretty sure that you voted for Hillary for the highest office in the world... and she is the biggest liar in our lifetime! And her lies were not only provable falsehoods, some of them had to do with national security (not a silly HS yearbook). But, again: if a Dem does it... then it's OK, right?
You're missing the point, pumpf. In my junior year (HS) yearbook, a girl writes talks about "wrestling with my alligator" in her bathroom. In senior year, I had two nicknames that had to do with my drinking, and at a friend's house who had a sauna (his parents were loaded) I used to pull my dick out from the bottom of my bathing suit and subtly expose myself to girls who happened to look.
If somebody ever called me on it today, I'd admit to it and I'd (probably) laugh about all of it. Another scenario: if somebody were to ever call me on it today and I was next up to be the SC nominee, I'd admit to it and then - whether genuine or not - apologize for such immature childish behavior, and then turn it around and suggest that we can all do better, we all have regrets, blah blah blah.
What I wouldn't do is paint myself to be nearly perfect and then, when called on MINUSCULE things like puking while drinking and joking about sex positions, lie and throw a hissy fit and act like the world is against me. Hey Kavanaugh: sorry people saw through your phony, conservative-Christian facade you've been parading around for the last 3 decades.
ALL he had to do was just not lie about the minor stuff and people would've forgot about it. The allegations against him need to be investigated but almost everybody is laughing listening to him explain away all his shit in his yearbook. What a fucking dork. Just say you were a kid once like we all were, ya phony weasel.
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