Can anyone tell me what Kavanaugh has lied about?
As for all the uproar: how come there's nothing being done about the MN candidate for AG? I believe he's a pretty high-ranking Dem party leader... who has alot stronger case against him. But I haven't heard anyone demanding that he be investigated. And some of the same folks who are unconditionally supporting Dr. Ford... are unconditionally supporting Ellison. That kind of makes it hard to believe that the Dems actually care about victims; it seems more like they just care about power- and winning it.
What I do know- for sure- is that I hope I am never accused of sexually assaulting a female. It is obvious to me- in this current zeitgeist- that I would never be able to clear my name... and my career would be destroyed. And- sadly- there are plenty of liberal women who are OK with that happening to men:
From the Atlantic: “I’m actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations,” tweeted Emily Linden, a writer for Teen Vogue. “Sorry. If some innocent men’s reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay.” These turned out to be sentiments that a fair number of activists shared—along with the assumption that only men would reject them.
Quote: @pumpf said:
Can anyone tell me what Kavanaugh has lied about?
As for all the uproar: how come there's nothing being done about the MN candidate for AG? I believe he's a pretty high-ranking Dem party leader... who has alot stronger case against him. But I haven't heard anyone demanding that he be investigated. And some of the same folks who are unconditionally supporting Dr. Ford... are unconditionally supporting Ellison. That kind of makes it hard to believe that the Dems actually care about victims; it seems more like they just care about power- and winning it.
What I do know- for sure- is that I hope I am never accused of sexually assaulting a female. It is obvious to me- in this current zeitgeist- that I would never be able to clear my name... and my career would be destroyed. And- sadly- there are plenty of liberal women who are OK with that happening to men:
From the Atlantic: “I’m actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations,” tweeted Emily Linden, a writer for Teen Vogue. “Sorry. If some innocent men’s reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay.” These turned out to be sentiments that a fair number of activists shared—along with the assumption that only men would reject them.
Love the liberal concept of being willing to pay for something with someone else's money/name/life.
Quote: @pumpf said:
Can anyone tell me what Kavanaugh has lied about?
As for all the uproar: how come there's nothing being done about the MN candidate for AG? I believe he's a pretty high-ranking Dem party leader... who has alot stronger case against him. But I haven't heard anyone demanding that he be investigated. And some of the same folks who are unconditionally supporting Dr. Ford... are unconditionally supporting Ellison. That kind of makes it hard to believe that the Dems actually care about victims; it seems more like they just care about power- and winning it.
What I do know- for sure- is that I hope I am never accused of sexually assaulting a female. It is obvious to me- in this current zeitgeist- that I would never be able to clear my name... and my career would be destroyed. And- sadly- there are plenty of liberal women who are OK with that happening to men:
From the Atlantic: “I’m actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations,” tweeted Emily Linden, a writer for Teen Vogue. “Sorry. If some innocent men’s reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay.” These turned out to be sentiments that a fair number of activists shared—along with the assumption that only men would reject them.
its shit like this that will set womens rights and voices back decades. a movement for justice is one thing and a good thing, a movement for power based on lies and half truths will end up ruining itself and ultimately will cost legit womens issues a platform they deserve.
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@ JimmyinSD said:
@ KingBash said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Picked this up from another site....
Here's Christine Ford’s timeline:
1982 - Something may or may not have happened with another 2 (or 4) teenagers at a party, she cannot remember who threw the party, where the party was held, who she was with or how she got home. She was drinking and said nothing to anyone.
1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 - she said nothing.
July 25, 2003: President George W. Bush nominated Kavanaugh to the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C Circuit - she said nothing.
2004, 2005 - she said nothing.
May 11, 2006: The United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary recommended confirmation. Kavanaugh subsequently confirmed by the United States Senate - she said nothing.
June 1, 2006: Kavanaugh sworn in by Justice Anthony Kennedy - she said nothing.
2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 - she said nothing.
2012 She vaguely remembers 'something' may have happened in 1982, yet doesn't name Kavanaugh and still said nothing to authorities.
2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 - becomes an anti-trump activist.
2018 - now 36 years later, with Kavanaugh's SCOTUS confirmation looming, she pens an anonymous letter with grave accusations against Kavanaugh regarding foggy circumstance that occurred while they were both minors, then reveals herself and DEMANDS an FBI investigation before testifying to her incredible allegations.
Okay. But Kavanaugh has lied repeatedly and shown some of his true colors in a short period of time. I don't want a guy like that on the SC. Allegations or not.
thats fine, I dont know what he has lied about as I am not really following this whole situation that closely, but I find this unsubstantiated sexual allegation shit show to be tabloid level and about as disgusting as could be. I had to defend myself against bull shit started by an ex girlfriend years ago or face expulsion from college and when its he said she said... its damn tough, especially when her parents get involved. I think there should be financial consequences for bringing false allegation for anything, but especially things of a sexual nature as they are about as dark as it can get.
I actually think we agree almost all the way on through on this. I'm literally repeating myself but I don't think he's some evil rapist, I think he acted like an aggressive, drunk "kid" and has obviously grown up since then. And a judge being elected to that level shouldn't have this character flaw that doesn't allow him to step back, admit that he's acted like a shit head in the past, apologize for it, etc. (Again, this is all based on the fact that I believe her testimony and think the other women should be heard too.)
I'm definitely sensitive to taking a magnifying glass to all of our behavior from high school and college. And the seriousness of a few allegations with little evidence. As to your situation with an ex, as I detailed in this thread, I can obviously relate. That shit is HORRIFYING.
So heres a decent question. Assuming he was guilty as sin and came out right away and said he did it but it was in HS and assume he’s been nothing but a straight arrow since would you support him for the Supreme Court?
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And if you want to know why Trump and the GOP are so eager to ram this prick through so fast, google the upcoming docket for Gamble vs. United States. Orrin Hatch has a hard-on for this one, because if it gets overturned there is a very high chance that any federal pardons could prevent law enforcement agencies bringing any kind of charges brought forth by the state. Know anyone who might fit that bill?
Pretty much every politician, hollywood person, high profile business person out there?
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ KingBash said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ KingBash said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Picked this up from another site....
Here's Christine Ford’s timeline:
1982 - Something may or may not have happened with another 2 (or 4) teenagers at a party, she cannot remember who threw the party, where the party was held, who she was with or how she got home. She was drinking and said nothing to anyone.
1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 - she said nothing.
July 25, 2003: President George W. Bush nominated Kavanaugh to the United States Court of Appeals for the D.C Circuit - she said nothing.
2004, 2005 - she said nothing.
May 11, 2006: The United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary recommended confirmation. Kavanaugh subsequently confirmed by the United States Senate - she said nothing.
June 1, 2006: Kavanaugh sworn in by Justice Anthony Kennedy - she said nothing.
2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 - she said nothing.
2012 She vaguely remembers 'something' may have happened in 1982, yet doesn't name Kavanaugh and still said nothing to authorities.
2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 - becomes an anti-trump activist.
2018 - now 36 years later, with Kavanaugh's SCOTUS confirmation looming, she pens an anonymous letter with grave accusations against Kavanaugh regarding foggy circumstance that occurred while they were both minors, then reveals herself and DEMANDS an FBI investigation before testifying to her incredible allegations.
Okay. But Kavanaugh has lied repeatedly and shown some of his true colors in a short period of time. I don't want a guy like that on the SC. Allegations or not.
thats fine, I dont know what he has lied about as I am not really following this whole situation that closely, but I find this unsubstantiated sexual allegation shit show to be tabloid level and about as disgusting as could be. I had to defend myself against bull shit started by an ex girlfriend years ago or face expulsion from college and when its he said she said... its damn tough, especially when her parents get involved. I think there should be financial consequences for bringing false allegation for anything, but especially things of a sexual nature as they are about as dark as it can get.
I actually think we agree almost all the way on through on this. I'm literally repeating myself but I don't think he's some evil rapist, I think he acted like an aggressive, drunk "kid" and has obviously grown up since then. And a judge being elected to that level shouldn't have this character flaw that doesn't allow him to step back, admit that he's acted like a shit head in the past, apologize for it, etc. (Again, this is all based on the fact that I believe her testimony and think the other women should be heard too.)
I'm definitely sensitive to taking a magnifying glass to all of our behavior from high school and college. And the seriousness of a few allegations with little evidence. As to your situation with an ex, as I detailed in this thread, I can obviously relate. That shit is HORRIFYING.
So heres a decent question. Assuming he was guilty as sin and came out right away and said he did it but it was in HS and assume he’s been nothing but a straight arrow since would you support him for the Supreme Court?
Of course not. I hate his beliefs.
But as far as whether or not he'd be unfit for the job would be a lot more hazy than it is now. And specifics in your scenario matter. Was it just that one time that he was "guilty as sin" for acting like that? Was he blacked out and doing what he considered horseplay and par for the course at this entitled school? Or was it some nefarious rape game that they'd play because they hated women.
I already said if he came out and admitted to this and owned up to being a bratty kid, but went with the defense of "we've all done shit we regret in our teens" and then subsequently apologized profusely, admitted that we've made progress toward how we view sexual assault, but that we can do more... etc, etc... I'd think a lot higher or his character. In fact I'd begrudgingly think I'd have to shut up for the most part and accept that Republicans are gonna get their way: a SC nominee who stands for everything I'm against, most importantly a guy who's admitted he'll protect Trump from impeachment and indictment.
So no, I'll never want him on the SC, but I'd have a lot less of an argument if he handled this differently.
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@ pumpf said:
Can anyone tell me what Kavanaugh has lied about?
As for all the uproar: how come there's nothing being done about the MN candidate for AG? I believe he's a pretty high-ranking Dem party leader... who has alot stronger case against him. But I haven't heard anyone demanding that he be investigated. And some of the same folks who are unconditionally supporting Dr. Ford... are unconditionally supporting Ellison. That kind of makes it hard to believe that the Dems actually care about victims; it seems more like they just care about power- and winning it.
What I do know- for sure- is that I hope I am never accused of sexually assaulting a female. It is obvious to me- in this current zeitgeist- that I would never be able to clear my name... and my career would be destroyed. And- sadly- there are plenty of liberal women who are OK with that happening to men:
From the Atlantic: “I’m actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations,” tweeted Emily Linden, a writer for Teen Vogue. “Sorry. If some innocent men’s reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay.” These turned out to be sentiments that a fair number of activists shared—along with the assumption that only men would reject them.
its shit like this that will set womens rights and voices back decades. a movement for justice is one thing and a good thing, a movement for power based on lies and half truths will end up ruining itself and ultimately will cost legit womens issues a platform they deserve.
And let the record show, I absolutely disagree with that wholeheartedly. And I agree it does nothing good. It angers men, and creates more of a push-back. Hell, it angers me. Women can be just as unfair as men, and at the end of the day, I'm on Team Guy immediately after Team Fairness.
Quote: @pumpf said:
Can anyone tell me what Kavanaugh has lied about?
As for all the uproar: how come there's nothing being done about the MN candidate for AG? I believe he's a pretty high-ranking Dem party leader... who has alot stronger case against him. But I haven't heard anyone demanding that he be investigated. And some of the same folks who are unconditionally supporting Dr. Ford... are unconditionally supporting Ellison. That kind of makes it hard to believe that the Dems actually care about victims; it seems more like they just care about power- and winning it.
What I do know- for sure- is that I hope I am never accused of sexually assaulting a female. It is obvious to me- in this current zeitgeist- that I would never be able to clear my name... and my career would be destroyed. And- sadly- there are plenty of liberal women who are OK with that happening to men:
From the Atlantic: “I’m actually not at all concerned about innocent men losing their jobs over false sexual assault/harassment allegations,” tweeted Emily Linden, a writer for Teen Vogue. “Sorry. If some innocent men’s reputations have to take a hit in the process of undoing the patriarchy, that is a price I am absolutely willing to pay.” These turned out to be sentiments that a fair number of activists shared—along with the assumption that only men would reject them.
Pumpf, Keith Ellison IS already under investigation. I don't understand why all the Fox News troops on FB and other message boards seem to have completely missed that. He has been under investigation for 6 weeks.
Kavanaugh lies? Here's a few: "I grew up in a city plagued by gun violence, gang violence and drug violence". Yep, suburban whitebread Bethesda, Maryland a predominantly white suburb for the affluent, son of a judge & attorney with a very low homicide rate. Poor, rough childhood, sounds like Compton!
The Renate alumni reference? "The yearbook reference was clumsily intended to show affection, and that she was one of us ...it was not related to sex". If you buy that load of garbage, their constant references to that poor girl were nothing more than slut shaming. That's not affection, I can't imagine he'd want his daughters talked about in a yearbook like that.
The explanation of his Yearbook entries to keep his wholesome christian appearances up: "Boofing" means farting, and "The Devil's Triangle" is a drinking game according to Kavanaugh. Nope and nope. Boofing = anal sex, or worse, and Devil's triangle is a 3-sum with 2 guys and a girl. Don't be naive.
"Beach Week Ralph Club". We all know what "ralphing" means, to puke. "I was known to have a week stomach". Oh cut the horseshit, you were knowing for drinking alcohol until you puked. Your best friend Judge even wrote about it in his book that you barfed in people's cars.
He denied partying in summer, but on his calendar there's an entry for "skis with Judge". Brewskis. You're going to tell me a kid who loves to drink would magically stop drinking during summertime when there's no school?
He denied drinking til he blacked out, or if he ever drank to the point where he couldn't remember what happened. According to several classmates they find that VERY difficult to believe.
"Dr. Ford's testimony is REFUTED by the very people she says were there ..." NOPE. The witness said she didn't recall that particular party, but never refuted it. I went to a ton of parties in high school, I don't remember all of them only the ones where the wa something memorable about them. But as a judge he knows better that's not a true statement, and a lawyer would fry that statement on cross-examination.
Memogate 2004. His testimony that he was not aware of the matter until I learned it from the media. Bullshit, you received 8 pages and an email was produced to prove otherwise.
Memogate II 2006: Questioned about his knowledge of them and he denied it again when up for District of Columbia Circuit Court nomination. It was at this point the American Bar Assocation downgraded Kavanaugh from "well qualified" to "qualified", which would prevent him from a slam-dunk SCOTUS nomination. Multiple interviews with other attorneys and judges and colleagues testified that he showed biases in his rulings and that "his professional experience and the question of his freedom from bias and "open-mindedness" and his "ability to be balanced and fair."
Judge Kozinski: No secret that everyone in his orbit testified that he had a huge reputation for inappropriate comments after 15 women accused him of sexual harassment. Kavanaugh clerked for Kozinski and was very close to him, but says "I do not remember any such comments" when multiple witnesses testified that Kavanaugh was within earshot on numerous occasions.
Is that enough? Face it, Kavanaugh is trying to paint himself as some choir boy and trying to minimize his drinking habits and crude sexual references by blatantly lying about them. To me - if he had OWNED this kind of sophomoric crap it would be no big deal, but he flat out denies or tries to suggest it's something that it's not in an attempt to lessen its impact. That I have a huge problem with, because it's the same pattern of behavior as Trump's struggle with the truth.
Hey Lindsay Graham, remember when you said this?
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/722815463911256065
Republican politicians have done this to themselves.
EDIT: The link won't show here but it's a video of Lindsay Graham in 2016 saying he think Judge Garland was great, qualified, etc. but that the seat should be chosen by the next president... basically a fuck-you to Obama.
Here's something I think is very telling about this:
Kavanagh is utterly unfit to be an American judge at ANY level, as he is anti-4th amendment and supports domestic surveillance...which makes him a steaming turd, in my opinion.
I don't think he should be a judge, I think his betrayal of the Constitution and belief that ANYONE is above the law should make him an inmate...and let karma in the prison settle his "sexual predator" status in the showers. Some things could just solve themselves.
That said, the obvious tragic dinner theater being forced by the spineless filth that is the DNC is completely reprehensible. All that will come from this is deeper divisions in the country, more "us vs them" mentality, and the country more viciously at war with itself...and over what? The potential of some adolescent shenanigans at a party.
Does that seem insensitive? Likely. That said, I'm with a ton of people-men and women alike-that remember (with varying clarity) that our teens were barely survived. We all knew friends that had crossed lines with sex, drugs, booze, you name it...because adolescents are prone to dumbass decisions; vikeshrink can reference the same materials that point out that the imbalances in the adolescent brain are likely to cause some extreme lapses in judgement. Maybe it's generational, but I know many people that went through worse and did whatever they needed to in order to move forward in their own lives...and I've known people that were utterly different from their teen behaviors by their mid 20s. They knew what they did or what had happened to them, did the work to deal with it internally, and got on with life.
NOW...that said...do I excuse Kavanagh or anyone like him for forcing attentions in any manner? Hell no, I've got some history with putting fear into some offenders in that category. I believe, firmly, that that exact breed of asshat makes things horrible for everyone touched by the ripples of their actions...including every man that would NEVER condone that kind of behavior and every woman that hears the stories and lives in some degree of fear, even if nothing similar ever happens to them.
What's interesting to me about all this is that the DNC could have gone after Kavanagh on the issues, including (and especially) the lack of adherence to the 4th amendment and our rights...but they preferred to back a soap opera sponsored by the "#metoo" movement, and the GOP's moronic past with women's issues.
I have to point out something completely horrid/bizarre, here: for those of us a bit older than the millennials, the "#" symbol was called "pound"...making the recent movment 'POUND ME TOO'.
People NEED TO THINK ABOUT THINGS BEFORE ACTING.
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