Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Mike Olson said:
@ Poiple said:
I dont see where the publicly financed affects the 1st ammendment or the employers rights.
Does Burger Kings customers use only private roads to get to their restaurants? Do they cook those burgers using public utilities or are they generating private power? slippery slope. Lets stick with legal definitions.
Aside from a 1943 USSC in which the court ruled:
If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us.
Now this ruling was in regards to the education system forcing children to say the pledge so it is a little different. But I will go on to say this. I do not have to like that someone does or doesn't stand to sing the national anthem. It is perfectly acceptable for anyone to not care for someone's protest, or decision to not stand for the anthem. That's all fine and dandy. But what should be much MORE infuriating is the concept that our country's citizenry be forced to do that. Forced patriotism or nationalism is antithetical to freedom, democracy and patriotism itself. Patriotism to me is having the courage to stand up and identify where we can do better as a country BECAUSE we care about the direction we are headed. And we all may disagree with one and others viewpoints on what those ideas and concerns are. What patriotism to me is has very little to do with standing for the flag, even less about the anthem. We sing the anthem, and stand and salute the flag because we are moved to. Forcing anyone to do those things is among the least American actions I can imagine.
This. Forced nationalism is Nazi Germany. "Ve have vays of making you pledge your allegiance to Der Fuhrer."
If America is truly the greatest nation on earth, it shows its greatness in the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. Our right to due process, habeas corbus, to NOT pledge allegiance...to NOT stand if we so choose. And that's a beautiful thing.
It's shocking to me how many in recent years have voted and would vote to end those freedoms, to unwittingly lessen the greatness of America under the insidious guise of "making america great again."
what i found shocking and very disappointing was many of the same whiny bitches stood by silently while people who wanted to hear a presidential candidate speak had to run a gauntlet of protesters who used intimidation through verbal and physical attacks to enter the building. Often times while police officers stood by and watched it happen. This is Nazi Germany in action. I never thought i would see it in my lifetime. People bloodied while attempting to hear a candidate speak. Nothing excuses this.
Many of the same people then stand silently while their party of choice’s candidate actively worked to steal the party’s nomination through deception and lies. And finished with cheating in the presidential debates by getting the list of questions prior to the debate. But sure, lets complain about someone wanting to make America great again.
As this drifts away from the NFL part of the discussion and more into the political arena I want to remind everyone that if they would like to have access to the ST forum (for when this gets moved) they just need to PM me and I will get their account changed so that they can see and participate in those discussions.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
As this drifts away from the NFL part of the discussion and more into the political arena I want to remind everyone that if they would like to have access to the ST forum (for when this gets moved) they just need to PM me and I will get their account changed so that they can see and participate in those discussions.
LOL
Quote: @Poiple said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Mike Olson said:
@ Poiple said:
I dont see where the publicly financed affects the 1st ammendment or the employers rights.
Does Burger Kings customers use only private roads to get to their restaurants? Do they cook those burgers using public utilities or are they generating private power? slippery slope. Lets stick with legal definitions.
Aside from a 1943 USSC in which the court ruled:
If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us.
Now this ruling was in regards to the education system forcing children to say the pledge so it is a little different. But I will go on to say this. I do not have to like that someone does or doesn't stand to sing the national anthem. It is perfectly acceptable for anyone to not care for someone's protest, or decision to not stand for the anthem. That's all fine and dandy. But what should be much MORE infuriating is the concept that our country's citizenry be forced to do that. Forced patriotism or nationalism is antithetical to freedom, democracy and patriotism itself. Patriotism to me is having the courage to stand up and identify where we can do better as a country BECAUSE we care about the direction we are headed. And we all may disagree with one and others viewpoints on what those ideas and concerns are. What patriotism to me is has very little to do with standing for the flag, even less about the anthem. We sing the anthem, and stand and salute the flag because we are moved to. Forcing anyone to do those things is among the least American actions I can imagine.
This. Forced nationalism is Nazi Germany. "Ve have vays of making you pledge your allegiance to Der Fuhrer."
If America is truly the greatest nation on earth, it shows its greatness in the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. Our right to due process, habeas corbus, to NOT pledge allegiance...to NOT stand if we so choose. And that's a beautiful thing.
It's shocking to me how many in recent years have voted and would vote to end those freedoms, to unwittingly lessen the greatness of America under the insidious guise of "making america great again."
what i found shocking and very disappointing was many of the same whiny bitches stood by silently while people who wanted to hear a presidential candidate speak had to run a gauntlet of protesters who used intimidation through verbal and physical attacks to enter the building. Often times while police officers stood by and watched it happen. This is Nazi Germany in action. I never thought i would see it in my lifetime. People bloodied while attempting to hear a candidate speak. Nothing excuses this.
Many of the same people then stand silently while their party of choice’s candidate actively worked to steal the party’s nomination through deception and lies. And finished with cheating in the presidential debates by getting the list of questions prior to the debate. But sure, lets complain about someone wanting to make America great again.
OMG! You actually voted for the moron! LOL. Well, at least you're honest. I'll give you that.
Sorry you had to run a gauntlet of protesters to hear the idiot speak, but try to remember that those were the good guys. On one side we have a hater who retweets white nationalists, who called white supremacists "very fine people," and was heartily endorsed by the KKK. And on the other side you have people trying to stand up to that hate.
Maybe you should re-think which side you want to be on.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Poiple said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Mike Olson said:
@ Poiple said:
I dont see where the publicly financed affects the 1st ammendment or the employers rights.
Does Burger Kings customers use only private roads to get to their restaurants? Do they cook those burgers using public utilities or are they generating private power? slippery slope. Lets stick with legal definitions.
Aside from a 1943 USSC in which the court ruled:
If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception, they do not now occur to us.
Now this ruling was in regards to the education system forcing children to say the pledge so it is a little different. But I will go on to say this. I do not have to like that someone does or doesn't stand to sing the national anthem. It is perfectly acceptable for anyone to not care for someone's protest, or decision to not stand for the anthem. That's all fine and dandy. But what should be much MORE infuriating is the concept that our country's citizenry be forced to do that. Forced patriotism or nationalism is antithetical to freedom, democracy and patriotism itself. Patriotism to me is having the courage to stand up and identify where we can do better as a country BECAUSE we care about the direction we are headed. And we all may disagree with one and others viewpoints on what those ideas and concerns are. What patriotism to me is has very little to do with standing for the flag, even less about the anthem. We sing the anthem, and stand and salute the flag because we are moved to. Forcing anyone to do those things is among the least American actions I can imagine.
This. Forced nationalism is Nazi Germany. "Ve have vays of making you pledge your allegiance to Der Fuhrer."
If America is truly the greatest nation on earth, it shows its greatness in the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. Our right to due process, habeas corbus, to NOT pledge allegiance...to NOT stand if we so choose. And that's a beautiful thing.
It's shocking to me how many in recent years have voted and would vote to end those freedoms, to unwittingly lessen the greatness of America under the insidious guise of "making america great again."
what i found shocking and very disappointing was many of the same whiny bitches stood by silently while people who wanted to hear a presidential candidate speak had to run a gauntlet of protesters who used intimidation through verbal and physical attacks to enter the building. Often times while police officers stood by and watched it happen. This is Nazi Germany in action. I never thought i would see it in my lifetime. People bloodied while attempting to hear a candidate speak. Nothing excuses this.
Many of the same people then stand silently while their party of choice’s candidate actively worked to steal the party’s nomination through deception and lies. And finished with cheating in the presidential debates by getting the list of questions prior to the debate. But sure, lets complain about someone wanting to make America great again.
OMG! You actually voted for the moron! LOL. Well, at least you're honest. I'll give you that.
Sorry you had to run a gauntlet of protesters to hear the idiot speak, but try to remember that those were the good guys. On one side we have a hater who retweets white nationalists, who called white supremacists "very fine people," and was heartily endorsed by the KKK. And on the other side you have people trying to stand up to that hate.
Maybe you should re-think which side you want to be on.
LOL
this will certainly be an interesting time to read about in the history lessons 80 years from now.
Bottom line I really think this latest decision by King Roger and his band of merry men will end up being much ado about nothing. In my "unededuated" opinion the NFLPA won't allow it to go forward because of the CBA.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
The Vikings’ longest-tenured player, defensive end Brian Robison, said he’ll continue to “stand up for that flag,” but he doesn’t have a problem with other players who protest.
“For me, I’m going to go out there and I’m going to stand up for that flag,” said Robison, the 35-year-old Texan. “At the same time, our military has fought for those freedoms to allow those guys to have that decision. Whether we agree or disagree with what their decision is, it doesn’t matter; not part of it. That’s their freedom to do what they want to do.”
Receiver Stefon Diggs declined to discuss the NFL’s new policy allowing players to stay in the locker room for the national anthem, other than saying he doesn’t want to draw attention to himself.
“For me personally, I don’t bring how I feel about things onto a team,” Diggs said. “I’m part of an organization, a part of a team. I always keep that first in mind. As a collective unit, I like to keep things that way. I try not to do anything that’s going to bring any attention to myself at all, I try to fly under the radar. As far as any comment on it, I belong to an organization and I belong to that.”
http://www.startribune.com/mike-zimmer-its-important-vikings-stand-for-the-national-anthem/483490091/
Really appreciate Digg's stance on that. And it reinforces what I have already noted. Team unity is huge. And a reason for hoping we continue to build on last year. While Seattle and Oakland and the Jets will flounder.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
OMG! You actually voted for the moron! LOL. Well, at least you're honest. I'll give you that.
Sorry you had to run a gauntlet of protesters to hear the idiot speak, but try to remember that those were the good guys. On one side we have a hater who retweets white nationalists, who called white supremacists "very fine people," and was heartily endorsed by the KKK. And on the other side you have people trying to stand up to that hate.
Maybe you should re-think which side you want to be on.
Just going to highlight that little bit o irony and leave it out there. Watching the behavior exhibited, you can't really believe that. Spitting on people, throwing liquids on people, punching them, assaulting them all reminds me of a previous era. But not in the same manner in which you allude. The white hoods have indeed been replaced, but not by red hats.
Quote: @1VikesFan said:
Bottom line I really think this latest decision by King Roger and his band of merry men will end up being much ado about nothing. In my "unededuated" opinion the NFLPA won't allow it to go forward because of the CBA.
pretty sure this isnt coming from Roger, this is likely the owners saying they are tired of this shit and want to resolve it quickly. they arent forcing players to stand or show respect, they are saying if you cant do this, you have an option. I doubt the CBA has anything to do with this issue and any challenge based on it would likely get tossed pretty quickly.
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