Quote: @FSUVike said:
TBro, Daniels went 9 picks later and has many of the functional strength questions that O'Neill has.
Something nobody is taking about so far: this was a real learning experience for Rick and Mike. They aren't used to picking this deep in the Draft. And it showed.
Lesson learned for future years as I'm sure they will be in this spot again for the next 2-3 years and hopefully longer.
He does have some strength issues, but he is an extremely mobile interior O'Lineman who would fit DeFillipo's system very well so that is why I suggested it. I thought he had fewer concerns than moving Williams from tackle to guard but I would have been happy with either one at 30. I still wanted Hernandez over both of them and feel his feet are quick enough to play in any blocking system we want to run. Clearly the Vikings thought otherwise and couldn't resist adding another corner.
I guess I just need to let it go and hope we can find a solid long term starter at RG with what we have. I'm not in favor of moving Remmers just to move Remmers until we have a proven RT that is an upgrade.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ FSUVike said:
TBro, Daniels went 9 picks later and has many of the functional strength questions that O'Neill has.
Something nobody is taking about so far: this was a real learning experience for Rick and Mike. They aren't used to picking this deep in the Draft. And it showed.
Lesson learned for future years as I'm sure they will be in this spot again for the next 2-3 years and hopefully longer.
I don't think this was inexperience in picking this late... it was just a really weird draft with how some of these players came off the board. First time in how long that 5 QBs were drafted in the first round... then tell me the last draft where there were 4 OGs picked in the first round...
Most drafts will have a couple OTs go in the first and maybe 1-2 C/OGs in any given year, but to have four selected in the first round??? And then have 3 more C/OGs go in the first five picks of the 2nd round??? That's INSANE.
I really think that the Vikings were expecting at least one of Price, Ragnow, or Corbett to be there at 62. I also think they expected Wynn to be available at #30 and I have a feeling they would considered taking him there. When Wynn, Price, and Ragnow came off the board before their first round pick, I don't doubt for a second that the Vikings figured the next best OGs would drop into the latter half of the 2nd round.
They didn't... but I would say it was more of a strange draft than anything the Vikings did wrong.
I have usually liked Rick’s performance. With exception of lineman i think he has done a very good job. But the draft is a GMs Superbowl and Rick didnt do well. Setting the team’s goals and accomplishing them is his job. Knowing the draft picks and what the team’s needs who pick before are is his job.
He pretty much put himself on report.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ FSUVike said:
TBro, Daniels went 9 picks later and has many of the functional strength questions that O'Neill has.
Something nobody is taking about so far: this was a real learning experience for Rick and Mike. They aren't used to picking this deep in the Draft. And it showed.
Lesson learned for future years as I'm sure they will be in this spot again for the next 2-3 years and hopefully longer.
I don't think this was inexperience in picking this late... it was just a really weird draft with how some of these players came off the board. First time in how long that 5 QBs were drafted in the first round... then tell me the last draft where there were 4 OGs picked in the first round...
Most drafts will have a couple OTs go in the first and maybe 1-2 C/OGs in any given year, but to have four selected in the first round??? And then have 3 more C/OGs go in the first five picks of the 2nd round??? That's INSANE.
I really think that the Vikings were expecting at least one of Price, Ragnow, or Corbett to be there at 62. I also think they expected Wynn to be available at #30 and I have a feeling they would considered taking him there. When Wynn, Price, and Ragnow came off the board before their first round pick, I don't doubt for a second that the Vikings figured the next best OGs would drop into the latter half of the 2nd round.
They didn't... but I would say it was more of a strange draft than anything the Vikings did wrong.
exactly, and maybe all the talk about how deep this draft was will really be a lot of hot air. these OGs that were taken were nice players, but outside of nelson I dont know that any of them will be guys to get excited about when they near FA in 4-5 years. This draft was a mess for everybody the way it looks and if the team already had plans in place to kick Remmers inside like Geoff has stated numerous times, well maybe its the fans that misread the draft and were really looking in the wrong direction completely.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ FSUVike said:
TBro, Daniels went 9 picks later and has many of the functional strength questions that O'Neill has.
Something nobody is taking about so far: this was a real learning experience for Rick and Mike. They aren't used to picking this deep in the Draft. And it showed.
Lesson learned for future years as I'm sure they will be in this spot again for the next 2-3 years and hopefully longer.
I don't think this was inexperience in picking this late... it was just a really weird draft with how some of these players came off the board. First time in how long that 5 QBs were drafted in the first round... then tell me the last draft where there were 4 OGs picked in the first round...
Most drafts will have a couple OTs go in the first and maybe 1-2 C/OGs in any given year, but to have four selected in the first round??? And then have 3 more C/OGs go in the first five picks of the 2nd round??? That's INSANE.
I really think that the Vikings were expecting at least one of Price, Ragnow, or Corbett to be there at 62. I also think they expected Wynn to be available at #30 and I have a feeling they would considered taking him there. When Wynn, Price, and Ragnow came off the board before their first round pick, I don't doubt for a second that the Vikings figured the next best OGs would drop into the latter half of the 2nd round.
They didn't... but I would say it was more of a strange draft than anything the Vikings did wrong.
When this draft was described as deep with interior lineman I figured there would be a run on them. There hasnt been a great draft for these guys and it made sense (seemed obvious) that teams who had maybe neglected the spot would stock up. Watching the Vikes O line the last few years probably affects my perception lol.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ FSUVike said:
TBro, Daniels went 9 picks later and has many of the functional strength questions that O'Neill has.
Something nobody is taking about so far: this was a real learning experience for Rick and Mike. They aren't used to picking this deep in the Draft. And it showed.
Lesson learned for future years as I'm sure they will be in this spot again for the next 2-3 years and hopefully longer.
I don't think this was inexperience in picking this late... it was just a really weird draft with how some of these players came off the board. First time in how long that 5 QBs were drafted in the first round... then tell me the last draft where there were 4 OGs picked in the first round...
Most drafts will have a couple OTs go in the first and maybe 1-2 C/OGs in any given year, but to have four selected in the first round??? And then have 3 more C/OGs go in the first five picks of the 2nd round??? That's INSANE.
I really think that the Vikings were expecting at least one of Price, Ragnow, or Corbett to be there at 62. I also think they expected Wynn to be available at #30 and I have a feeling they would considered taking him there. When Wynn, Price, and Ragnow came off the board before their first round pick, I don't doubt for a second that the Vikings figured the next best OGs would drop into the latter half of the 2nd round.
They didn't... but I would say it was more of a strange draft than anything the Vikings did wrong.
exactly, and maybe all the talk about how deep this draft was will really be a lot of hot air. these OGs that were taken were nice players, but outside of nelson I dont know that any of them will be guys to get excited about when they near FA in 4-5 years. This draft was a mess for everybody the way it looks and if the team already had plans in place to kick Remmers inside like Geoff has stated numerous times, well maybe its the fans that misread the draft and were really looking in the wrong direction completely.
Jimmy, I agree that the Vikings want to move Remmers to guard, but we still don't have a starting RT that is better than him ready to start at that position in 2018. We have a bunch of career backup and developmental players who will be fighting for whichever spot Remmers doesn't take and that's a scary feeling when you invested a lot of money into your franchise QB.
On a cross thread note...
PFF re graded the 2015 #1 draft picks
a year later...
& still thought it sucked
Not sure if they have re re graded since 
11. Trae Waynes, CB, Minnesota Vikings
Draft Grade: C
We were not high on the Waynes pick at the time, as he’s more of a straight-line speed prospect that we saw as second-round value. He wasn’t ready to play as a rookie, but he went to a good situation in Minnesota and held his own on 196 snaps (+0.1). Still, we have our concerns that he can live up to the hype of a full-time role in the future.
- Just shows they don’t have any more clues or insights than anyone else, all along with the added luxury of...
Zero accountability !
Quote: @Maple Surple said:
On a cross thread note...
PFF re graded the 2015 #1 draft picks
a year later...
& still thought it sucked
Not sure if they have re re graded since
11. Trae Waynes, CB, Minnesota Vikings
Draft Grade: C
We were not high on the Waynes pick at the time, as he’s more of a straight-line speed prospect that we saw as second-round value. He wasn’t ready to play as a rookie, but he went to a good situation in Minnesota and held his own on 196 snaps (+0.1). Still, we have our concerns that he can live up to the hype of a full-time role in the future.
- Just shows they don’t have any more clues or insights than anyone else, all along with the added luxury of...
Zero accountability !
Wasnt Waynes a little slow coming on? I mean its great that he developed into a starter but it seemed there was some question if the light bulb was going to come on. My memory sucks so dont feel bad about correcting my perception.
Quote: @Poiple said:
@ Maple Surple said:
On a cross thread note...
PFF re graded the 2015 #1 draft picks
a year later...
& still thought it sucked
Not sure if they have re re graded since
11. Trae Waynes, CB, Minnesota Vikings
Draft Grade: C
We were not high on the Waynes pick at the time, as he’s more of a straight-line speed prospect that we saw as second-round value. He wasn’t ready to play as a rookie, but he went to a good situation in Minnesota and held his own on 196 snaps (+0.1). Still, we have our concerns that he can live up to the hype of a full-time role in the future.
- Just shows they don’t have any more clues or insights than anyone else, all along with the added luxury of...
Zero accountability !
Wasnt Waynes a little slow coming on? I mean its great that he developed into a starter but it seemed there was some question if the light bulb was going to come on. My memory sucks so dont feel bad about correcting my perception.
Rhodes didnt light it up the first few years either. The position takes time to play it right. Zim will teach them to cover first, prevent the catch and lastly create turnovers. Any fool can gamble every few plays and make a splash play or 2 a game like Peters does, but Waynes has been technically much better IMO as he learned the Zimmer way. I dont know that Peters would have the personality to have been broken down and remolded into a disciplined player the way that Tre has.
Quote: @TBro said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ FSUVike said:
TBro, Daniels went 9 picks later and has many of the functional strength questions that O'Neill has.
Something nobody is taking about so far: this was a real learning experience for Rick and Mike. They aren't used to picking this deep in the Draft. And it showed.
Lesson learned for future years as I'm sure they will be in this spot again for the next 2-3 years and hopefully longer.
I don't think this was inexperience in picking this late... it was just a really weird draft with how some of these players came off the board. First time in how long that 5 QBs were drafted in the first round... then tell me the last draft where there were 4 OGs picked in the first round...
Most drafts will have a couple OTs go in the first and maybe 1-2 C/OGs in any given year, but to have four selected in the first round??? And then have 3 more C/OGs go in the first five picks of the 2nd round??? That's INSANE.
I really think that the Vikings were expecting at least one of Price, Ragnow, or Corbett to be there at 62. I also think they expected Wynn to be available at #30 and I have a feeling they would considered taking him there. When Wynn, Price, and Ragnow came off the board before their first round pick, I don't doubt for a second that the Vikings figured the next best OGs would drop into the latter half of the 2nd round.
They didn't... but I would say it was more of a strange draft than anything the Vikings did wrong.
exactly, and maybe all the talk about how deep this draft was will really be a lot of hot air. these OGs that were taken were nice players, but outside of nelson I dont know that any of them will be guys to get excited about when they near FA in 4-5 years. This draft was a mess for everybody the way it looks and if the team already had plans in place to kick Remmers inside like Geoff has stated numerous times, well maybe its the fans that misread the draft and were really looking in the wrong direction completely.
Jimmy, I agree that the Vikings want to move Remmers to guard, but we still don't have a starting RT that is better than him ready to start at that position in 2018. We have a bunch of career backup and developmental players who will be fighting for whichever spot Remmers doesn't take and that's a scary feeling when you invested a lot of money into your franchise QB.
but they have a fall back plan if somebody doesnt take that RT job in that they can leave Remmers there and let Compton, and Isidora battle it out.
Quote: @Poiple said:
I have usually liked Rick’s performance. With exception of lineman i think he has done a very good job. But the draft is a GMs Superbowl and Rick didnt do well. Setting the team’s goals and accomplishing them is his job. Knowing the draft picks and what the team’s needs who pick before are is his job.
He pretty much put himself on report.
Here's the thing... I don't think that Price or Ragnow are any better prospects than Elflein was last year or Cody Whitehair was the year before. Both of those guys went early 3rd and late 2nd in their respective drafts. I like Price and Ragnow, but I think they were major reaches where they were taken. You can find starting OGs pretty routinely in the 2nd-4th rounds of almost every draft and there are always a few good ones that go later or are undrafted. The hard part is figuring out which ones are the good ones... ;-)
I don't know that Rick "didn't do well". Time will tell. However, I think Hughes has a better chance to turn into a Pro Bowl-type player than Price or Ragnow or any of the other OGs taken after him. Add in the fact that CB is a much more valuable position than OG and I can see why the Vikings bypassed the remaining OG prospects with the #30 pick.
I guess I'm not convinced that our offensive line is that bad. They looked pretty damn good when the whole unit was healthy early last season. The Vikings have some good young players and some veterans with starting experience to figure out what the team wants to do to replace Joe Berger.
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