Quote: @Maple Surple said:
@ RushmoreVike said:
@ Maple Surple said:
I don’t think the Vikings are picking on him...
Most hear have an emotional attachment that you cannot have in a billion dollar business
As a fan of a team....why wouldn't a person have emotion? If there is no emotional attachment then what the fucks the point?
I’m not saying you can’t...but maybe don’t take it so personal
The Vikings are not doing this just to be pricks, doubt it’s some vandetta
This team is actually amazing when it comes to the cap, and not buy playing favorites 
Some here are acting like it’s the ending to Old Yeller
Anywho...everyone have a great Sunday
God i loved Old Yeller
Nfl is a business first, just like every other company these days. If you want to be guaranteed a happy ending, subscribe to the hallmark channel
If the plan is another SB run this year BRob is invaluable for his versatility, leadership, and experience on the DL. The depth he brings to the rotation alone is worth what he's getting paid if there is even one injury on the DL. Do they cut him so they can keep one of the others? that would make no sense, nobody behind him has shown any ability to be effective playing substantial snaps. If I was them I'd run the DL more like Philly did last year and keep them more fresh and moving around and that is where Brian is of real value.
Don't try to get too cute Rick, if the draft breaks your way and in camp it's obvious Brian is a bubble cut deal with it then. For that to happen Bowser and Weatherly will have to look a lot better and Stephen and Johnson will have to look much better. Until that happens Brob is 5th on the depth chart and a backup at 2-3 spots.
Robison as an 11 year vet should be given ample time to decide if he wants to continue playing. The Vikings do not need cap room this second so they can afford him the time he needs, which would be the right thing to do.
If he ends up retiring, that is his choice. If he wants to continue his career it probably won't be at his current salary. Brian still played a little over 50% of the defensive stats in 2017 but that likely will closer to 20-30% in 2018. He also wasn't nearly as consistent in a rotational role. Those types of players maker a salary closer to $2.25M than $3.5M.
You have to respect veterans since their leadership is invaluable. But if you refuse to cut ties or pursue a price cut due to emotional ties you're doing the other 52 players on the roster a disservice.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
Robison as an 11 year vet should be given ample time to decide if he wants to continue playing. The Vikings do not need cap room this second so they can afford him the time he needs, which would be the right thing to do.
If he ends up retiring, that is his choice. If he wants to continue his career it probably won't be at his current salary. Brian still played a little over 50% of the defensive stats in 2017 but that likely will closer to 20-30% in 2018. He also wasn't nearly as consistent in a rotational role. Those types of players maker a salary closer to $2.25M than $3.5M.
You have to respect veterans since their leadership is invaluable. But if you refuse to cut ties or pursue a price cut due to emotional ties you're doing the other 52 players on the roster a disservice.
Yep. It happens every year on every team. Tough decisions will be made. Contract restructuring will be asked. Its life in the NFL.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
Robison as an 11 year vet should be given ample time to decide if he wants to continue playing. The Vikings do not need cap room this second so they can afford him the time he needs, which would be the right thing to do.
If he ends up retiring, that is his choice. If he wants to continue his career it probably won't be at his current salary. Brian still played a little over 50% of the defensive stats in 2017 but that likely will closer to 20-30% in 2018. He also wasn't nearly as consistent in a rotational role. Those types of players maker a salary closer to $2.25M than $3.5M.
You have to respect veterans since their leadership is invaluable. But if you refuse to cut ties or pursue a price cut due to emotional ties you're doing the other 52 players on the roster a disservice.
Care to back that up? I don’t seem to remember the D falling off when Brian was in and his stats are not far off from when he started 16 games. If he wasn’t effective why was he the first one out there? Most people in this thread are saying BRob still does his job and more, not just emotional reasons. The “and more” (experience/onfiled coaching of younger players) part would easily make up the 1.25 million difference.
Who fills his role if the Vikings decide to save 1.2 million or more?
LOL @Old Yeller. accurate, though!
Quote: @Bezerker88 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
Robison as an 11 year vet should be given ample time to decide if he wants to continue playing. The Vikings do not need cap room this second so they can afford him the time he needs, which would be the right thing to do.
If he ends up retiring, that is his choice. If he wants to continue his career it probably won't be at his current salary. Brian still played a little over 50% of the defensive stats in 2017 but that likely will closer to 20-30% in 2018. He also wasn't nearly as consistent in a rotational role. Those types of players maker a salary closer to $2.25M than $3.5M.
You have to respect veterans since their leadership is invaluable. But if you refuse to cut ties or pursue a price cut due to emotional ties you're doing the other 52 players on the roster a disservice.
Care to back that up? I don’t seem to remember the D falling off when Brian was in and his stats are not far off from when he started 16 games. If he wasn’t effective why was he the first one out there? Most people in this thread are saying BRob still does his job and more, not just emotional reasons. The “and more” (experience/onfiled coaching of younger players) part would easily make up the 1.25 million difference.
Who fills his role if the Vikings decide to save 1.2 million or more?
Over the course of his career Brian has been a very consistent player without many highs/lows in his game. A lot of that is due to the fact that he is an all-around player. He isn't a one trick pony who will pin his ears back and get the QB, he plays his assignment.
When you become a rotational pass rusher your job changes a bit. You're not in position where the team is trying to get its more talented pass rushers on the field to get after the QB. That doesn't play into the way Brian plays the game for better or for worse. He can still do the job, but 3/4 of his value this past season was against the Bears and Bengals (both bottom 10 lines).
The questions you need to ask here is, what would another team pay him to be a situational pass rusher? If you find someone have gives you a price > $3.5M I'd be shocked. But he is worth more to MN than other teams at this point which is the subjective "replacement cost" argument.
I've kinda watched this thread since it was put up. Now i won t get into the argument because it wouldn't do any good. I would just be told i am emotionally involved and discount what i say because of that. The ones arguing in favor of keeping his job are doing a pretty good job.
Those (Geoff, i do respect your opinion) saying he would likely get less snaps, how do you know this? Now i know some of you are very knowledgeable and really in tune to what's going on but i really do know some things that you don't. What i can tell you is this. Last year no one knew Brian's job would be given away and it was the first day of OTAs. He did take his pay cut before then. He gave back $1.2 mil. Oh and the coaches weren't in favor of him losing his job, but that doesn't matter to the GM, who, in TC, inquired as to why the pass rush wasn't as effective. If you remember Brian missed a lot of TC with back and groin issues. The GM/RS was told why. Care to take a guess why? I'll leave it up to you. Let me go back and say that his job was given away, no competition in TC. Why was that? He did have 7.5 sacks at 33 only .5 sacks less than EG ( that.5 sack was also arguable because the QB fell in to LJ while Brian was taking him down) who was rewarded with a new contract with a ton of guarenteed money.
This is why i don't get involved in a lot of these debates. I end up writing a book. I'll try to cut it short.
Let me also say that i think Hunter is a great kid and should become a great player. I say, should, because i know how coaches and yes, GMs can either build a player or keep them squashed. Yes it does happen, believe it or not, i don't care. Anyway, Brian's first year to start he had 8 sacks. Of course he was told to read and play the run first, unless it was a total passing down. Boy did that hurt his numbers. Don't believe that? Again, i don't care. How many did DH have? We all know and he was told not to worry about the run get your butt across the line. Hmmm. I could go on and on with stories that you don't know of. Now if you don't believe me go back, if you can, and watch a few games over the last 2 years and you will see that he is usually the first man across the line when it is pass rushing down. Hard to believe that the coaches back when he came in and to date never tapped in to a 1.49 10 yard split time. Yes that is comparable to DBs, RBs and WRs. Their loss, i guess. That still stands as a DLinemens record at the combine, as far as i know. Hell, it was within a 100th of a second of being in the top ten-15 all time.
Now i did say i would try and cut it short. Nobody cared when Brian was in the top 5 of the NFL for about 3-5 yrs in pressures, QB disruptions or hits on QB. Hell one of those years he led the league in QB disruptions. But all that could be said was, he's not making sacks. Yeah, there was even an article that written about how statistical wise he was among the elite pass rushers, but was he elite. Lol, what bullshit.
See, i told ya not to get me started. If you think I embellish (BSing you all), look it up.
Last year only 56% of the defensive snaps. Still had 4 sacks not his best year but considering he wasn't getting hardly any snaps, if any, on passing downs, at his LDE position. His job was much more complex on passing downs. Putting others in position to make plays or sacks. Don't believe that? Look at film bro s. Watch him move a player or put himself in position to draw doubleteams to single up another player. Yeah those players tell him thanks and sometimes ask," how did you see that coming.
Now a lot of what i said can't be verified but i have no reason to lie, y'all won't be the ones making the decision and neither will the coaches. I'm pretty confident they would tell you they want him here. Hell, Zimmer told him a couple of years ago he could prolong his career 4-5 years if he wanted to be an inside passrusher.
Don't take my word for that? I don't care. I promise I will end this soon, just a long essay, not my book. Lol
Go back to your film of last years games. Look at some of those games and see when the game is on the line if he's in. That should tell you who they want in when the game is on the line or need to close out a game. While you're looking at those games take a look on passing downs and see who draws more double teams than you think, hell, sometimes triple teams too. But be truthful with yourself, because i focus 98% on Brian during a game. Draws them as much or more than the big name guys we have. But is he playing like a 34 yr old? If he is i don't see it. Somehow if he plays this year, i don't think he'll look like a 35 yr old. I got more but i have to go. Love ya guys and gals. I promise i won't interrupt the debate any more with my essays.
Quote: @96POPS said:
I've kinda watched this thread since it was put up. Now i won t get into the argument because it wouldn't do any good. I would just be told i am emotionally involved and discount what i say because of that. The ones arguing in favor of keeping his job are doing a pretty good job.
Those (Geoff, i do respect your opinion) saying he would likely get less snaps, how do you know this? Now i know some of you are very knowledgeable and really in tune to what's going on but i really do know some things that you don't. What i can tell you is this. Last year no one knew Brian job would be given away and it was the first day of OTAs. He did take his pay cut before then. He gave back $1.2 mil. Oh and the coaches weren't in favor of him losing his job, but that doesn't matter to the GM, who, in TC, inquired as to why the pass rush wasn't as effective. If you remember Brian missed a lot of TC with back and groin issues. The GM/RS was told why. Care to take a guess why? I'll leave it up to you. Let me go back and say that his job was given away, no competition in TC. Why was that? He did have 7.5 sacks at 33 only .5 sacks less than EG ( that.5 sack was also arguable because the QB fell in to LJ while Brian was taking him down) who was rewarded with a new contract with a ton of guarenteed money.
This is why i don't get involved in a lot of these debates. I end up writing a book. I'll try to cut it short.
Let me alsonsay that i think Hunter is a great kid and should become a great player. I say, should, because i know how coaches and yes, GMs can either build a player or keep them squashed. Yes it does happen, believe it or not, i don't care. Anyway, Brian's first year to start he had 8 sacks. If course he was told to read and play the run first, unless it was a total passing down. Boy did that hurt his numbers. Don't believe that? Again, i don't care. How many did DH have? We all know and he was told not to worry about the run get your but across the line. Hmmm. I could go on and on with stories that you don't know of. Now if you don't believe me go back, if you can, and watch a few games over the last 2 years and you will see that he is usually the first man across the line when it is pass rushing down. Hard to believe that thr coaches back when he came in and to date never tapped in to a 1.49 10 yard split time. Yes that is comparable to DBs, RBs and WRs. Their loss, i guess. That still stands as a DLinemens record at the combine, as far as i know. Hell, it was within a 100th of a second of being in the top ten-15 all time.
Now i did say i would try and cut it short. Nobody cared when Brian was in the top 5 of the NFL for about 3-5 yrs in pressures, QB disruptions or hits on QB. Hell one of those years he led the league in QB disruptions. But all that could be said was, he's not making sacks. Yeah, there was even an article that written about how statistical wise he was among the elite pass rushers, but was he elite. Lol, what bullshit.
See, i told ya not to get me started. If you think I embellish (BSing you all), look it up.
Last year only 56% of the defensive snaps. Still had 4 sacks no his best year but considering he wasn't getting hardly any snaps, if any, on passing downs, at his LDE position. His job was much more complex on passing downs. Putting others in position to make plays or sacks. Don't believe that? Look at film bro s. Watch him move a player or put himself in position to draw doubleteams tonsingle up another player. Yeah those players tell him thanks and sometimes ask," how did you see that coming.
Now a lot of what i said can't be verified but i have no reason to lie, y'all won't be the ones making the decision and neiter will the coaches. I'm pretty confident they would tell you they want him here. Hell, Zimmer told himna couple of years ago he could prolong his career 4-5 years id he wanted to ne an inside passrusher.
Don't take my word for that? I don't care. I promise I will end this soon, just a long essay, not my book. Lol
Go back to your film of last years games. Look at somenof those games and see when the game is on the line if he's in. That should tell you who they want in when the game is on the line or need to close out a game. While you're looking at those games take a look on passing downs and see who draws more double teams than you think, hell, sometimes triple teams too. But be truthfulbwith yourself, because i focus 98% on Brian during a game. Draws them as much or more than the big name guys we have. But is he playing like a 34 yr old? If he is i don't see it. Somehow if he plays this year, i don't think he'll look like a 35 yr old. I got more but i have to go. Love ya guys andngals. I promise i won't interrupt the debate any more with my essays.
The portion I bolded in your post is very true and if you re-watch the D-line play throughout the season its pretty apparent. When Zimmer preaches "sacks aren't our only goal" he is telling the truth. The Vikings D-line scheme is fairly complex to give specific looks to make the protections on double A gap pressure next to impossible.
But I am not here to try to argue or ruffle feathers. The situation is equally political as it is a discussion about talent. The team always holds the keys as to whether a player can produce up to their salary. But as I've said before Brian's leadership is invaluable 
lets cut all the veterans!!! great for team moral!!!
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