Cousins to the Vikings already a done deal?

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@Zanary said:
I'm pretty certain that if Cousins DOES get a record-setting contract, the Packers will break the record with Erin shortly afterward.

yup...I remember when everyone was floored when we signed Hutch to the deal we did. $90mm or so for Cousins will not look all that impressive 24 mos from now. 

I was all for Keenum till he faced some stiff post-season play and his QBR dropped to the 70's...Now he might improve next year from the experience and with Dalvin back, but I'm not all in on him. Cousins gives me pause as well, just not quite as much. 

Tier 2 for me is Bradford and I could not turn the keys over the Bridgewater at this point.

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@Wetlander said:
I'm honestly shocked that more fans aren't in favor of signing Cousins...  he is one of the best deep ball throwers in the NFL since he became a starter.  The Vikings have two of the best WRs in the NFL in contested catches and can make plays downfield.  These offensive skill players made Bradford and Keenum have career years...  

These offensive skilled players had their career years because of Bradford throwing them the ball, they didn't make Bradford better.....  But I agree with you on Cousins being our best option 

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@Sir Viking Bob VWO said:


These offensive skilled players had their career years because of Bradford throwing them the ball, they didn't make Bradford better.....  But I agree with you on Cousins being our best option 

Uh, Diggs and Thielen had career years this past season with Keenum under center... not Bradford.

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@Jor-El said:

@SmashmouthD said:

It's up for debate (ha!), but I think Teddy gives us the most production per dollar.  Use the draft and the rest of the cap to improve the Lines, and let's go!

A lot of people are making arguments based on a "price" for Teddy Bridgewater that has no market basis, and I believe Bridgewater himself would not agree with any of the bargain rates which are assumed. Fans have argued that we can sign BOTH Bridgewater and Bradford for less than Cousins, or suggested numbers like $10M/year or less for Bridgewater.
Why would Bridgewater think he is worth so little? Here are 4 QBs who reached free agency after their rookie contracts:

• Brock Osweiler: 7 career starts, 11 TDs, 6 INTs - 4 year contract for $18M/year
• Mike Glennon: 18 career starts, 30 TDs, 15 INTs - 3 year contract for $15M/year
• Jimmy Garoppolo: 7 career starts, 12 TDs, 5 INTs - 5 year contract for $27.5M/year
• Teddy Bridgewater: 28 career starts, 28 TDs, 22 INTs
  

One of these is far more accomplished than the others, and also has an 11-5 season, playoff start, and +3,000 yard passing season on his resume. So why would Bridgewater and his agent say, "Oh thank you so much, Vikings, I'm delighted to sign a deal for half what Osweiler or Glennon got - even though the salary cap and QB salaries are even higher then when they signed!"
If Bridgewater had somehow hit free agency after his 2015 season, he would be offered contracts of $20M per year and above.
The only reason you can discount Teddy is if you believe he is damaged goods. If the Vikings have approached him with that kind of offer, he doesn't want it - he doesn't believe he is damaged goods. He is going to argue with other teams that he is 100% healthy and should be judged on his NFL achievements. Maybe he's fooling himself, but that's his right and he might find some team is impressed with his health and workouts and will give him a lot - at least more than $10M, which is a low salary by NFL starting quarterback standards.
The idea we could either have Cousins, or have Bridgewater PLUS an extra $20M in cap space, is unrealistic. No way Bridgewater would take a cheap deal unless every other team rejects him in free agency.

I think you make a fair point here. The difference, as you point out, is that nobody really knows how healthy Bridgewater is, or how that knee will impact his confidence and mobility. He can argue he's healthy all he wants, but until he gets out there and proves it in a game situation, that question will remain, and will have an impact on his market value. But I think you're probably right that he's going to get more than people think. As I've said before, the impact of the injury on his contract will likely be seen more in the length of term than in the amount.  

I'm actually somewhat surprised we haven't seen some sort of promotional video released by the Bridgewater camp showing him doing speed and agility drills like Myles Jack and Jamaal Charles did recently. 

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@FSUVike said:
So Poiple, three seasons of 4k yards and top 6 QBR posted by Cousins is mediocre. What does that make Keenum then? 

Medicore, Tier 2.

what does it make him to you??

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@Poiple said:

@FSUVike said:
So Poiple, three seasons of 4k yards and top 6 QBR posted by Cousins is mediocre. What does that make Keenum then? 

Medicore, Tier 2.

what does it make him to you??

Tier 3. He had a better Everything around him than Kirk and Cousins still put up the better numbers.

Interesting that 4 NFL.GMs have targeted Cousins over Keenum but you have them as equals, isn't it? 

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@Jor-El said:

@SmashmouthD said:

It's up for debate (ha!), but I think Teddy gives us the most production per dollar.  Use the draft and the rest of the cap to improve the Lines, and let's go!

A lot of people are making arguments based on a "price" for Teddy Bridgewater that has no market basis, and I believe Bridgewater himself would not agree with any of the bargain rates which are assumed. Fans have argued that we can sign BOTH Bridgewater and Bradford for less than Cousins, or suggested numbers like $10M/year or less for Bridgewater.
Why would Bridgewater think he is worth so little? Here are 4 QBs who reached free agency after their rookie contracts:

• Brock Osweiler: 7 career starts, 11 TDs, 6 INTs - 4 year contract for $18M/year
• Mike Glennon: 18 career starts, 30 TDs, 15 INTs - 3 year contract for $15M/year
• Jimmy Garoppolo: 7 career starts, 12 TDs, 5 INTs - 5 year contract for $27.5M/year
• Teddy Bridgewater: 28 career starts, 28 TDs, 22 INTs
  

One of these is far more accomplished than the others, and also has an 11-5 season, playoff start, and +3,000 yard passing season on his resume. So why would Bridgewater and his agent say, "Oh thank you so much, Vikings, I'm delighted to sign a deal for half what Osweiler or Glennon got - even though the salary cap and QB salaries are even higher then when they signed!"
If Bridgewater had somehow hit free agency after his 2015 season, he would be offered contracts of $20M per year and above.
The only reason you can discount Teddy is if you believe he is damaged goods. If the Vikings have approached him with that kind of offer, he doesn't want it - he doesn't believe he is damaged goods. He is going to argue with other teams that he is 100% healthy and should be judged on his NFL achievements. Maybe he's fooling himself, but that's his right and he might find some team is impressed with his health and workouts and will give him a lot - at least more than $10M, which is a low salary by NFL starting quarterback standards.
The idea we could either have Cousins, or have Bridgewater PLUS an extra $20M in cap space, is unrealistic. No way Bridgewater would take a cheap deal unless every other team rejects him in free agency.

With any player, his market is his market.  What is he likely to be offered that he will accept?

No doubt he's shown more than the other QBs you mention, other than Garoppolo.  But it's the knee injury that will make other teams nervous.  

I had in mind he'd sign a one-year deal with us for for $8-$12 million.  Which would allow us to get an outside 3T signed, as well as all of our free agents.

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@SmashmouthD said:

@Jor-El said:

@SmashmouthD said:

It's up for debate (ha!), but I think Teddy gives us the most production per dollar.  Use the draft and the rest of the cap to improve the Lines, and let's go!

A lot of people are making arguments based on a "price" for Teddy Bridgewater that has no market basis, and I believe Bridgewater himself would not agree with any of the bargain rates which are assumed. Fans have argued that we can sign BOTH Bridgewater and Bradford for less than Cousins, or suggested numbers like $10M/year or less for Bridgewater.
Why would Bridgewater think he is worth so little? Here are 4 QBs who reached free agency after their rookie contracts:

• Brock Osweiler: 7 career starts, 11 TDs, 6 INTs - 4 year contract for $18M/year
• Mike Glennon: 18 career starts, 30 TDs, 15 INTs - 3 year contract for $15M/year
• Jimmy Garoppolo: 7 career starts, 12 TDs, 5 INTs - 5 year contract for $27.5M/year
• Teddy Bridgewater: 28 career starts, 28 TDs, 22 INTs
  

One of these is far more accomplished than the others, and also has an 11-5 season, playoff start, and +3,000 yard passing season on his resume. So why would Bridgewater and his agent say, "Oh thank you so much, Vikings, I'm delighted to sign a deal for half what Osweiler or Glennon got - even though the salary cap and QB salaries are even higher then when they signed!"
If Bridgewater had somehow hit free agency after his 2015 season, he would be offered contracts of $20M per year and above.
The only reason you can discount Teddy is if you believe he is damaged goods. If the Vikings have approached him with that kind of offer, he doesn't want it - he doesn't believe he is damaged goods. He is going to argue with other teams that he is 100% healthy and should be judged on his NFL achievements. Maybe he's fooling himself, but that's his right and he might find some team is impressed with his health and workouts and will give him a lot - at least more than $10M, which is a low salary by NFL starting quarterback standards.
The idea we could either have Cousins, or have Bridgewater PLUS an extra $20M in cap space, is unrealistic. No way Bridgewater would take a cheap deal unless every other team rejects him in free agency.

With any player, his market is his market.  What is he likely to be offered that he will accept?

No doubt he's shown more than the other QBs you mention, other than Garoppolo.  But it's the knee injury that will make other teams nervous.  

I had in mind he'd sign a one-year deal with us for for $8-$12 million.  Which would allow us to get an outside 3T signed, as well as all of our free agents.

He might sign that - but only if & after he finds out no team will give him $15M or more. That's starting QB money. Teddy started for 2 years, he thinks of himself as a starter, and many of his teammates reportedly tell him he should be a starter. No doubt his family, friends, and agent tell him he's a starter.

Funny thing is, his biggest fans think he's a starter, too - but most of them also think he should take the kind of contract that Nick Foles signed with the Eagles last year to backup Carson Wentz after being waived by two other teams! Come on - is he the QB of the Vikings' future or is he a bargain-bin project?

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@FSUVike said:

@Poiple said:

@FSUVike said:
So Poiple, three seasons of 4k yards and top 6 QBR posted by Cousins is mediocre. What does that make Keenum then? 

Medicore, Tier 2.

what does it make him to you??

Tier 3. He had a better Everything around him than Kirk and Cousins still put up the better numbers.

Interesting that 4 NFL.GMs have targeted Cousins over Keenum but you have them as equals, isn't it? 

lol. Ive made it oretty clear that I dont considr them as equals but you have a similar problem as many others here.  A combination of seeing what you want to see and an apparant difficulty with reading comprehension.

Kirk and Cousins?  Is that James Thaddeus Kirk?

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