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Vikings #1 on Cousins list
#51
Quote: @PSBLAKE said:
the Vikings have to solve the QB situation.  if wenhave a chance to get a franchise QB you must go for it.  the consistant contenders all have a franchise QB.
Agreed, just not sure Cousins is truly a "franchise qb"

Maybe he is with this surround?   

Will be fascinating and potentially harrowing to see how the Vikings manage this position. 
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#52
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@PSBLAKE said:
the Vikings have to solve the QB situation.  if wenhave a chance to get a franchise QB you must go for it.  the consistant contenders all have a franchise QB.
Agreed, just not sure Cousins is truly a "franchise qb"

Maybe he is with this surround?   

Will be fascinating and potentially harrowing to see how the Vikings manage this position. 
Hes as franchise as you can get that you dont draft or trade for that isnt in his upper 30s
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#53
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@purplefaithful said:
@PSBLAKE said:
the Vikings have to solve the QB situation.  if wenhave a chance to get a franchise QB you must go for it.  the consistant contenders all have a franchise QB.
Agreed, just not sure Cousins is truly a "franchise qb"

Maybe he is with this surround?   

Will be fascinating and potentially harrowing to see how the Vikings manage this position. 
Hes as franchise as you can get that you dont draft or trade for that isnt in his upper 30s
This is sadly what people don't realize. You can argue all day that he isn't a top 10 QB, but when do you expect one of the elite QB's to come available at no cost? Cousins is the best UFA QB since Brees coming off his shoulder injury in 2006. Yes, better than Manning.

You'll pay a premium for that due to scarcity. 
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#54
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@AGRforever said:
@purplefaithful said:
@PSBLAKE said:
the Vikings have to solve the QB situation.  if wenhave a chance to get a franchise QB you must go for it.  the consistant contenders all have a franchise QB.
Agreed, just not sure Cousins is truly a "franchise qb"

Maybe he is with this surround?   

Will be fascinating and potentially harrowing to see how the Vikings manage this position. 
Hes as franchise as you can get that you dont draft or trade for that isnt in his upper 30s
This is sadly what people don't realize. You can argue all day that he isn't a top 10 QB, but when do you expect one of the elite QB's to come available at no cost? Cousins is the best UFA QB since Brees coming off his shoulder injury in 2006. Yes, better than Manning.

You'll pay a premium for that due to scarcity. 
The Market is what it is people need to get that for sure.
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#55
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@golfervike said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@MaroonBells said:
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I really haven't studied Cousins. He's put up some pretty remarkable numbers considering his supporting cast. In ours, he just might be elite. Color me undecided until further notice. I will say this, though. I'd rather have Cousins at 30M than Case at 20M. Actually, the term is what's more important to me. I don't want to commit to Case long term. The money involved is secondary. 
hes had decent receivers over his tenure in DC,  maybe not as much this year, but there have been some decent targets for him in the past.  somebody ran down a list the other day and it was more than the trash that some try to make it sound like he's played with.

So wait... you DONT like Cousins? couldnt tell from your last 100 posts.
The ignore feature works if you don't like what I have to say... otherwise fuck off.
I'm curious 
Is this how you interact with others in your day to day life ?

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#56
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@AGRforever said:
@purplefaithful said:
@PSBLAKE said:
the Vikings have to solve the QB situation.  if wenhave a chance to get a franchise QB you must go for it.  the consistant contenders all have a franchise QB.
Agreed, just not sure Cousins is truly a "franchise qb"

Maybe he is with this surround?   

Will be fascinating and potentially harrowing to see how the Vikings manage this position. 
Hes as franchise as you can get that you dont draft or trade for that isnt in his upper 30s
This is sadly what people don't realize. You can argue all day that he isn't a top 10 QB, but when do you expect one of the elite QB's to come available at no cost? Cousins is the best UFA QB since Brees coming off his shoulder injury in 2006. Yes, better than Manning.

You'll pay a premium for that due to scarcity. 
Ok, so let me re-cap this so I can wrap my head around the opportunity: 
  • Potential Franchise QB in this system and surround (Dalvin back!)
  • Best available QB since Brees
  • He can be had without giving-up draft picks
  • He wants to come here
  • He can be had without gutting our ability to keep our young defensive stars
  • Significant questions around each of the existing 3 qb's
Ok then...

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#57
Quote: @Maple Surple said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@golfervike said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@MaroonBells said:
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I really haven't studied Cousins. He's put up some pretty remarkable numbers considering his supporting cast. In ours, he just might be elite. Color me undecided until further notice. I will say this, though. I'd rather have Cousins at 30M than Case at 20M. Actually, the term is what's more important to me. I don't want to commit to Case long term. The money involved is secondary. 
hes had decent receivers over his tenure in DC,  maybe not as much this year, but there have been some decent targets for him in the past.  somebody ran down a list the other day and it was more than the trash that some try to make it sound like he's played with.

So wait... you DONT like Cousins? couldnt tell from your last 100 posts.
The ignore feature works if you don't like what I have to say... otherwise fuck off.
I'm curious 
Is this how you interact with others in your day to day life ?

Depends on the situation,  if somebody is being an asshole...then yes.


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#58
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@AGRforever said:
@purplefaithful said:
@PSBLAKE said:
the Vikings have to solve the QB situation.  if wenhave a chance to get a franchise QB you must go for it.  the consistant contenders all have a franchise QB.
Agreed, just not sure Cousins is truly a "franchise qb"

Maybe he is with this surround?   

Will be fascinating and potentially harrowing to see how the Vikings manage this position. 
Hes as franchise as you can get that you dont draft or trade for that isnt in his upper 30s
This is sadly what people don't realize. You can argue all day that he isn't a top 10 QB, but when do you expect one of the elite QB's to come available at no cost? Cousins is the best UFA QB since Brees coming off his shoulder injury in 2006. Yes, better than Manning.

You'll pay a premium for that due to scarcity. 
Ok, so let me re-cap this so I can wrap my head around the opportunity: 
  • Potential Franchise QB in this system and surround (Dalvin back!)
  • Best available QB since Brees
  • He can be had without giving-up draft picks
  • He wants to come here
  • He can be had without gutting our ability to keep our young defensive stars
  • Significant questions around each of the existing 3 qb's
Ok then...

To play devil's advocate:
  • Has only started 1 playoff game which his team lost in part by allowing a 35-7 run in the last 43:02 of the game.
  • "Wants to come here" could be a typical FA ploy to start a bidding war
  • Bidding war will almost certainly happen without the ploy
  • We need to shore up other areas, too, not just keep status quo (3T DT, RG, LG, RT)
  • We still don't know who our OC will be, what offense we'll be playing, and whether Cousins fits into that scenario
  • As a starter, he's ranked 3, 5, & 8 in fumbles
I'm not saying we shouldn't investigate Cousins as a possibility, just that it shouldn't be considered a "whatever it costs" scenario.

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#59
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@AGRforever said:
@purplefaithful said:
@PSBLAKE said:
the Vikings have to solve the QB situation.  if wenhave a chance to get a franchise QB you must go for it.  the consistant contenders all have a franchise QB.
Agreed, just not sure Cousins is truly a "franchise qb"

Maybe he is with this surround?   

Will be fascinating and potentially harrowing to see how the Vikings manage this position. 
Hes as franchise as you can get that you dont draft or trade for that isnt in his upper 30s
This is sadly what people don't realize. You can argue all day that he isn't a top 10 QB, but when do you expect one of the elite QB's to come available at no cost? Cousins is the best UFA QB since Brees coming off his shoulder injury in 2006. Yes, better than Manning.

You'll pay a premium for that due to scarcity. 
If what we're hearing about Cousins (he's ours if we want him) is true (do we have a direct quote?), we just turned our 3-QB dilemma into a 4-QB dilemma. Not that I'm complaining. The Broncos have a 0-QB dilemma.

Money has a lot to do with this decision. For example, I'd probably take Teddy at 10M over Cousins at 25M. But who's the best QB? In my opinion, it's Bradford. Money no object? Cousins. Bradford's 2 ACLs and a missed season due to pain in the same knee, eliminates him from this. Most upside? This is where I have trouble. If I trust my eyes and instinct on what I saw in '14 and '15 and the summer of '16, I go with Teddy, but I'll admit I haven't yet watched Cousins with a critical eye. And Teddy's knee thing is a factor in this as well. 

Case is still in the conversation, but I can't imagine a team with this many options going with the shortest, weakest, most inaccurate QB of the four, especially considering what his contract will look like. 
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#60
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@AGRforever said:
@purplefaithful said:
@PSBLAKE said:
the Vikings have to solve the QB situation.  if wenhave a chance to get a franchise QB you must go for it.  the consistant contenders all have a franchise QB.
Agreed, just not sure Cousins is truly a "franchise qb"

Maybe he is with this surround?   

Will be fascinating and potentially harrowing to see how the Vikings manage this position. 
Hes as franchise as you can get that you dont draft or trade for that isnt in his upper 30s
This is sadly what people don't realize. You can argue all day that he isn't a top 10 QB, but when do you expect one of the elite QB's to come available at no cost? Cousins is the best UFA QB since Brees coming off his shoulder injury in 2006. Yes, better than Manning.

You'll pay a premium for that due to scarcity. 
If what we're hearing about Cousins (he's ours if we want him) is true (do we have a direct quote?), we just turned our 3-QB dilemma into a 4-QB dilemma. Not that I'm complaining. The Broncos have a 0-QB dilemma.

Money has a lot to do with this decision. For example, I'd probably take Teddy at 10M over Cousins at 25M. But who's the best QB? In my opinion, it's Bradford. Money no object? Cousins. Bradford's 2 ACLs and a missed season due to pain in the same knee, eliminates him from this. Most upside? This is where I have trouble. If I trust my eyes and instinct on what I saw in '14 and '15 and the summer of '16, I go with Teddy, but I'll admit I haven't yet watched Cousins with a critical eye. And Teddy's knee thing is a factor in this as well. 

Case is still in the conversation, but I can't imagine a team with this many options going with the shortest, weakest, most inaccurate QB of the four, especially considering what his contract will look like. 
Cousins hasn't directly been quoted saying that Minnesota is the preference. But through the back channels a few media outlets have heard its true. Personally I've heard its really a two team race between Denver and Minnesota. Money will obviously play into it but going onto a team that's ready to win helps Cousins as well. Regardless of guarantees/average salary there is a better chance he'll play out the full contract, build legacy, and earn future money as well. 

What we don't know is how interested the Vikings are in Cousins. They have personnel meetings later this week and will get their OC squared away ASAP. We probably will start learning/hearing more then. 

The Vikings dilemma regardless of QB needs to figure out is how much of our offenses' production was Case vs. the supporting cast. Why? Because it can indirectly give you more confidence in keeping Teddy plus a veteran backup similar to the role Case was in this past season. If that ends up costing $15M or so for two QB's you can make a very good argument in that direction. But if Case's market will be close to Smith's contract value of $23M per year I can't rationalize not waiting to see how much Cousins really wants. 
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