Vikings #1 on Cousins list

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@MarkSP18 said:
I cannot believe that folks are hesitating about this QB.  The argument that the Skins did not want him is just ignorant of the facts (no offense intended).  

Rather than try to read through all that. Can I just ask you...is your conclusion that the Redskins wanted Cousins and offered him fair money to stay, but that Kirk Cousins doesn't want to play for the Redskins under any circumstance? 

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The timing of this will be very interesting. If Bridewater's contract Tolls, when will that decision be made? Since all four of these QB's are unrestricted, we can't start "legally" negotiation with them until March 12th unless we tag one of our 3 QB's between February 20th and March 6th. If you go after Cousins and don't get him, do you risk losing the other 3 to another QB hungry team especially if negotiations drag out? Those FA deals happen fast as soon as the negotiation period opens up and the teams that don't sign Cousins will be looking to fill that hole quickly. It's bad for Teddy on the money side of things, but I would feel much better if we knew we had him coming back on his 5th year contract number. He's not my top choice, but he's not a bad option if the other 3 choose to go elsewhere. 

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I don't think it'll happen because I feel the Browns are going to back up the money truck, but I'd take Cousins over Teddy. However, I think there's little doubt that Minnesota is going to chose one of the 3 guys they currently have. 

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@MaroonBells said:

@MarkSP18 said:
I cannot believe that folks are hesitating about this QB.  The argument that the Skins did not want him is just ignorant of the facts (no offense intended).  

Rather than try to read through all that. Can I just ask you...is your conclusion that the Redskins wanted Cousins and offered him fair money to stay, but that Kirk Cousins doesn't want to play for the Redskins under any circumstance? 

LMAO!  I do tend to run off at the mouth.  My apologies to everyone.  I will try to tone it down. 

I do not believe they offered him fair money.  Once he signed the franchise tag he was already guaranteed 24 mil for 2017.

They tried to only add on 29 mil more in guarantees with some additional guaranteed for injury money.

That basically only added one guar year to his contract which would have been 2018 and they would have control over him though 2021.

He was smart.  He said he would take his 24 mil in 2017 and then go out in 2018 and get 50 mil guar right away plus the extra injury guarantees.

Redskins were low balling him and could not decide to shat or get off the pot.

They decided that Alex Smith at 17 mil in 2018 was better although that number will change with the extension.  They gave up a 3rd too and a really good slot corner too.

If the Vikings did that I think most people would be pissed that they ended up giving away picks to replace Cousins instead of trading him for what surely would have been high picks.

What do you think?

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Cousins is a better QB than Keenum, so he could certainly be the piece that pushes things over the top, but if his contract demands really get into the $25-30 million range, then that starts to significantly limit the kind of roster you can build around him. It's good that the option seems to exist, but who knows which QB will be the right fit and that is hard to determine before we even know who our OC is. I'd also be interested to know what the points of contention between Cousins and Washington were, since that seems to have been an issue for the past few years.

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A few months ago I mentioned the possibility of Cousins coming here...he'd have immediate upgrades all around, skill players, D, running game...he'd also be asked to do less...he's got the wherewithal to compete from behind... But man, he'll make some serious boneheaded plays at the worst possible time...ball security is a big issue...I gotta think that alone is enough for Zim to give this a hard pass...if Shurmur had stayed, going all in on Keenum would be the most palatable option...

Cap wise, it could probably work...but if I had my druthers, I'd rather lock down our guys, get Keenum at a reasonable deal, toll Teddy, and make a heard push for Richardson... Putting a pocket collapsing 3T on this D takes our D to the next level...the impact of a healthy Cook makes us odds on favorite for another deep run...

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As much emphasis as this team has put into building a dominant defense it will be hard to maintain what we've got when we are drafting at the back end of every round and paying 20% of our cap to one player that isn't a top tier player.  25 to 30 million is to much for cousins...I don't care what the cap is going to be,  I don't care what his numbers say,  the guy isn't clutch and he doesn't improve the position that much over what a keenum, sam, or Teddy could likely do for significantly less money.  If others are sold that's fine,  but I don't see it.

As far as Brez being able to work his cap magic,  how much of that magic is built on rarely having to pay a QB a franchise type contract?  If he gets saddled with a 25 to 30 million dollar a year contract with a bunch of 8 to 12 million dollar guys on D,  somethings got to give.  Personally I woukd rather see more money/picks  put into the O line and build an offense that doesn't require a 30 million dollar QB to run it.  

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Sheldon Richardson and Linval Joseph in the middle? Holy #$%^. I think playing next to Joseph would bring the competitive ability out in Richardson. 

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Hey, lets all get used to a $25mm a year QB...That means we have at least a top 10 one. Wouldn't that be nice for the next decade??

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@NorthernCalVike said:
I don't know, I heard this morning that Colin Cowherd says Denver is close to a deal with Cousins
But that would be tampering I would think.

https://247sports.com/nfl/denver-broncos...-114466121 

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