Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I think it would take something special for the Vikings to let Teddy walk out the door. You don't stick with a player like they did unless they truly have some belief he can still be "the guy". Look how Sharrif Floyd fell off the radar after his injury.
Is Cousins that special talent that makes the feel comfortable letting him walk? I don't know. But until we know that I think Teddy makes a lot of sense if you're picking between him, Keenum, and Bradford. I think they'd still try to bring back one of the other two and at worse bring in a veteran backup capable of starting.
The Vikings are loyal and stubborn to a fault. They held onto Ponder for all 4 years. They refused to trade Jared Allen and let him get the last year of his deal which carried a cap hit of 17.1 mil when they knew Griffen was ready to play.
They are too emotionally attached to Teddy.
How many athletes that suffered a dislocated knee and ligament tears recovered fully and were able to get back to their pre-injury playing form? Dustin Keller and Marcus Lattimore could not.
Is Teddy going to be the rare case?
Spielman and Zimmer had better be right. Teddy and Sloter next year is not very comforting at all. Signing a veteran backup similar to Shaun Hill is not going to make things better.
If Teddy does not get back to his old form which still needed much improvement, then I think that it may be time to get new leadership.
There are instances that go both ways when it comes down to recovering from a dislocated knee. The mental barriers seem to outweigh the physical limitations. So you wouldn't really know what you have until he gets on the field.
I'd agree that there have been times the Vikings have been stubborn. Ponder was one of those times. Jared Allen I'd disagree on since they wouldn't have gotten any value for him.
If they signed a veteran backup if would not be Sean Hill. It would be someone that could start if needed. McCown if he does not return to NY, Fitzpatrick, etc..
What Value did they get out of Allen that last year? Wasn't that the worst defense in franchise history?
Quote: @Bolstad79 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I think it would take something special for the Vikings to let Teddy walk out the door. You don't stick with a player like they did unless they truly have some belief he can still be "the guy". Look how Sharrif Floyd fell off the radar after his injury.
Is Cousins that special talent that makes the feel comfortable letting him walk? I don't know. But until we know that I think Teddy makes a lot of sense if you're picking between him, Keenum, and Bradford. I think they'd still try to bring back one of the other two and at worse bring in a veteran backup capable of starting.
The Vikings are loyal and stubborn to a fault. They held onto Ponder for all 4 years. They refused to trade Jared Allen and let him get the last year of his deal which carried a cap hit of 17.1 mil when they knew Griffen was ready to play.
They are too emotionally attached to Teddy.
How many athletes that suffered a dislocated knee and ligament tears recovered fully and were able to get back to their pre-injury playing form? Dustin Keller and Marcus Lattimore could not.
Is Teddy going to be the rare case?
Spielman and Zimmer had better be right. Teddy and Sloter next year is not very comforting at all. Signing a veteran backup similar to Shaun Hill is not going to make things better.
If Teddy does not get back to his old form which still needed much improvement, then I think that it may be time to get new leadership.
There are instances that go both ways when it comes down to recovering from a dislocated knee. The mental barriers seem to outweigh the physical limitations. So you wouldn't really know what you have until he gets on the field.
I'd agree that there have been times the Vikings have been stubborn. Ponder was one of those times. Jared Allen I'd disagree on since they wouldn't have gotten any value for him.
If they signed a veteran backup if would not be Sean Hill. It would be someone that could start if needed. McCown if he does not return to NY, Fitzpatrick, etc..
What Value did they get out of Allen that last year? Wasn't that the worst defense in franchise history?
Teams were not offering the 3rd or 4th round picks that were speculated. It was more like a 6th or 7th.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ Bolstad79 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I think it would take something special for the Vikings to let Teddy walk out the door. You don't stick with a player like they did unless they truly have some belief he can still be "the guy". Look how Sharrif Floyd fell off the radar after his injury.
Is Cousins that special talent that makes the feel comfortable letting him walk? I don't know. But until we know that I think Teddy makes a lot of sense if you're picking between him, Keenum, and Bradford. I think they'd still try to bring back one of the other two and at worse bring in a veteran backup capable of starting.
The Vikings are loyal and stubborn to a fault. They held onto Ponder for all 4 years. They refused to trade Jared Allen and let him get the last year of his deal which carried a cap hit of 17.1 mil when they knew Griffen was ready to play.
They are too emotionally attached to Teddy.
How many athletes that suffered a dislocated knee and ligament tears recovered fully and were able to get back to their pre-injury playing form? Dustin Keller and Marcus Lattimore could not.
Is Teddy going to be the rare case?
Spielman and Zimmer had better be right. Teddy and Sloter next year is not very comforting at all. Signing a veteran backup similar to Shaun Hill is not going to make things better.
If Teddy does not get back to his old form which still needed much improvement, then I think that it may be time to get new leadership.
There are instances that go both ways when it comes down to recovering from a dislocated knee. The mental barriers seem to outweigh the physical limitations. So you wouldn't really know what you have until he gets on the field.
I'd agree that there have been times the Vikings have been stubborn. Ponder was one of those times. Jared Allen I'd disagree on since they wouldn't have gotten any value for him.
If they signed a veteran backup if would not be Sean Hill. It would be someone that could start if needed. McCown if he does not return to NY, Fitzpatrick, etc..
What Value did they get out of Allen that last year? Wasn't that the worst defense in franchise history?
Teams were not offering the 3rd or 4th round picks that were speculated. It was more like a 6th or 7th.
Ok, a late pick plus the money saved is still better than what we got from his play.
Miami traded Ajay for a 4th and he actually had value for Miami.
Quote: @Bolstad79 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I think it would take something special for the Vikings to let Teddy walk out the door. You don't stick with a player like they did unless they truly have some belief he can still be "the guy". Look how Sharrif Floyd fell off the radar after his injury.
Is Cousins that special talent that makes the feel comfortable letting him walk? I don't know. But until we know that I think Teddy makes a lot of sense if you're picking between him, Keenum, and Bradford. I think they'd still try to bring back one of the other two and at worse bring in a veteran backup capable of starting.
The Vikings are loyal and stubborn to a fault. They held onto Ponder for all 4 years. They refused to trade Jared Allen and let him get the last year of his deal which carried a cap hit of 17.1 mil when they knew Griffen was ready to play.
They are too emotionally attached to Teddy.
How many athletes that suffered a dislocated knee and ligament tears recovered fully and were able to get back to their pre-injury playing form? Dustin Keller and Marcus Lattimore could not.
Is Teddy going to be the rare case?
Spielman and Zimmer had better be right. Teddy and Sloter next year is not very comforting at all. Signing a veteran backup similar to Shaun Hill is not going to make things better.
If Teddy does not get back to his old form which still needed much improvement, then I think that it may be time to get new leadership.
There are instances that go both ways when it comes down to recovering from a dislocated knee. The mental barriers seem to outweigh the physical limitations. So you wouldn't really know what you have until he gets on the field.
I'd agree that there have been times the Vikings have been stubborn. Ponder was one of those times. Jared Allen I'd disagree on since they wouldn't have gotten any value for him.
If they signed a veteran backup if would not be Sean Hill. It would be someone that could start if needed. McCown if he does not return to NY, Fitzpatrick, etc..
What Value did they get out of Allen that last year? Wasn't that the worst defense in franchise history?
Don't underestimate the residual value of doing right by players. It's not often measurable or even visible, but it can have an impact over time.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Bolstad79 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I think it would take something special for the Vikings to let Teddy walk out the door. You don't stick with a player like they did unless they truly have some belief he can still be "the guy". Look how Sharrif Floyd fell off the radar after his injury.
Is Cousins that special talent that makes the feel comfortable letting him walk? I don't know. But until we know that I think Teddy makes a lot of sense if you're picking between him, Keenum, and Bradford. I think they'd still try to bring back one of the other two and at worse bring in a veteran backup capable of starting.
The Vikings are loyal and stubborn to a fault. They held onto Ponder for all 4 years. They refused to trade Jared Allen and let him get the last year of his deal which carried a cap hit of 17.1 mil when they knew Griffen was ready to play.
They are too emotionally attached to Teddy.
How many athletes that suffered a dislocated knee and ligament tears recovered fully and were able to get back to their pre-injury playing form? Dustin Keller and Marcus Lattimore could not.
Is Teddy going to be the rare case?
Spielman and Zimmer had better be right. Teddy and Sloter next year is not very comforting at all. Signing a veteran backup similar to Shaun Hill is not going to make things better.
If Teddy does not get back to his old form which still needed much improvement, then I think that it may be time to get new leadership.
There are instances that go both ways when it comes down to recovering from a dislocated knee. The mental barriers seem to outweigh the physical limitations. So you wouldn't really know what you have until he gets on the field.
I'd agree that there have been times the Vikings have been stubborn. Ponder was one of those times. Jared Allen I'd disagree on since they wouldn't have gotten any value for him.
If they signed a veteran backup if would not be Sean Hill. It would be someone that could start if needed. McCown if he does not return to NY, Fitzpatrick, etc..
What Value did they get out of Allen that last year? Wasn't that the worst defense in franchise history?
Don't underestimate the residual value of doing right by players. It's not often measurable or even visible, but it can have an impact over time.
yep, its been said many times that FA and agents keep tabs on how front offices treat their players and take that stuff into consideration when it comes to negotiations.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Bolstad79 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I think it would take something special for the Vikings to let Teddy walk out the door. You don't stick with a player like they did unless they truly have some belief he can still be "the guy". Look how Sharrif Floyd fell off the radar after his injury.
Is Cousins that special talent that makes the feel comfortable letting him walk? I don't know. But until we know that I think Teddy makes a lot of sense if you're picking between him, Keenum, and Bradford. I think they'd still try to bring back one of the other two and at worse bring in a veteran backup capable of starting.
The Vikings are loyal and stubborn to a fault. They held onto Ponder for all 4 years. They refused to trade Jared Allen and let him get the last year of his deal which carried a cap hit of 17.1 mil when they knew Griffen was ready to play.
They are too emotionally attached to Teddy.
How many athletes that suffered a dislocated knee and ligament tears recovered fully and were able to get back to their pre-injury playing form? Dustin Keller and Marcus Lattimore could not.
Is Teddy going to be the rare case?
Spielman and Zimmer had better be right. Teddy and Sloter next year is not very comforting at all. Signing a veteran backup similar to Shaun Hill is not going to make things better.
If Teddy does not get back to his old form which still needed much improvement, then I think that it may be time to get new leadership.
There are instances that go both ways when it comes down to recovering from a dislocated knee. The mental barriers seem to outweigh the physical limitations. So you wouldn't really know what you have until he gets on the field.
I'd agree that there have been times the Vikings have been stubborn. Ponder was one of those times. Jared Allen I'd disagree on since they wouldn't have gotten any value for him.
If they signed a veteran backup if would not be Sean Hill. It would be someone that could start if needed. McCown if he does not return to NY, Fitzpatrick, etc..
What Value did they get out of Allen that last year? Wasn't that the worst defense in franchise history?
Don't underestimate the residual value of doing right by players. It's not often measurable or even visible, but it can have an impact over time.
yep, its been said many times that FA and agents keep tabs on how front offices treat their players and take that stuff into consideration when it comes to negotiations.
We have been pretty good at taking care of our players. That doesn't go unnoticed
Teddy is a wonderful person. Now, with that said, what game do you point to in his career that makes you say, "man, that is a franchise QB and he really lit them up"? To me, he is a game manager. A guy who was a high pick out of college, and has been a QB since age 9, should not need 5 years to learn how to throw an accurate deep ball.
Problem is, everyone keeps saying Case is not the guy....yet he produced 13 wins. Drew Brees sucked in San Diego for a few years, and then the lights came on. Maybe they did for Case. Yes, he takes unnecessary risks and had 10 INTs (3 in the playoffs), but few were his fault. To be fair, there were a few other dropped INTs that he very well could have made his stats look worse. But, he is the gunslinger we want. Teddy doesn't take those chances.
And, Sam. He is my pick, were it not for the injury concerns. By far the most accurate, but the least mobile.
I think Case deserves to start in this league. I think Sam deserves to start in this league. And I think Teddy was the best QB we had had in Minnesota since Favre was here, until Sam came and Case emerged.
Biggest fear is like StickyBun - just don't screw it up. If we pick Teddy, and he flames out, and the other 1 or 2 do well, it's starting from scratch again. I'm sick of retread QBs.
If it were me, I'd franchise Case, and sign Sam for $12M more. We have the money, and I don't see anyone paying Sam more than $12m a year to start due to the injury concerns.
Tom, over 30 million for two qbs that are still question marks, one with long history of injuries and the other a 30 year old possible one year wonder?
youd rather do that than get teddy on 2-3 year deal less than 10 mil a year with prob only one year guaranteed? that is crazy
look maybe teddys leg falls off, but signing him doesnt make us potetially lose Diggs, Kendrick, Barr, or Hunter. and frankly our team is good and has top weapons at all positions on offense, we can be playoff team will pretty much any qb. none of these 3 are locks to be SB Qb, so why hamstring our team with the two most expensive qbs when they all are about even with their flaws, strengths, and questions.
one is also only 24 the others are 30 or older
*no matter who we sign we need a Vet backup.
i always made fun of McCown, but he coild be good 1 year option as backup
Quote: @Vikeking2 said:
Tom, over 30 million for two qbs that are still question marks, one with long history of injuries and the other a 30 year old possible one year wonder?
youd rather do that than get teddy on 2-3 year deal less than 10 mil a year with prob only one year guaranteed? that is crazy
look maybe teddys leg falls off, but signing him doesnt make us potetially lose Diggs, Kendrick, Barr, or Hunter. and frankly our team is good and has top weapons at all positions on offense, we can be playoff team will pretty much any qb. none of these 3 are locks to be SB Qb, so why hamstring our team with the two most expensive qbs when they all are about even with their flaws, strengths, and questions.
one is also only 24 the others are 30 or older
you arent getting Teddy for less than 12-15 million a year IMO, probably more with incentives based on him winning the #1 and playing a full season. If Teddy is as ready to go as we hear and hope, then he will get low end starter money from somebody for sure.
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