Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
sorry, i am just not all that thrilled with him as a QB. stats can be very misleading.
heres some that can be considered as well.
2015 9-7
2016 8-7-1
2017 7-9
big time stats are great, but they dont tell a whole picture. how much of those gaudy numbers are built on prevent defenses because they are playing from behind?
I dont watch a ton of skins games, but what I have watched of him has left me thinking that he is a good (not great) QB with some glaring deficiencies in his game and that snyder was dumb to get into a pissing match with him, but even dumber to make him stay and grossly overpay for the performance he was getting. good not great and certainly not worth 25+ million per year IMO.
If he would sign for a contact that built up to bigger money after he shows that he can play better, maybe, but I would be hesitant to pay what others might.
His win/loss record looks a lot like Bradford with Philly and the Rams... and similar to Stafford and Carr. Keenum was 4-5 in St. Louis before coming here.
I get it... I would be hesitant to hand him a ridiculous contract, but if the Vikings can sign him to a contract similar to what Stafford and Carr just signed... I wouldn't be upset at all if the Vikings went that route.
Quote: @NorthernCalVike said:
Just not a Kirk fan - can't really say why. I just don't think he's "The Guy". I see his stats over the past three years, and I SHOULD think we should go get him. But my head just can't wrap my head around having him. Probably illogical on my part. I do think he kind of flamed out the last 1/4 of the year - Skins averaged 17.3 points a game - including only 10 points against the Giants the last game of the season - He was 20 for 37 / 158 total yards / 0 TD's / 3 Ints.
thats where I am at with him... I see the stats and agree that they paint a pretty picture, but I trust my gut and my eyes before stats when it comes to players. sometimes I am wrong, but quite often than not I am not. I will stick with my gut.
Sounds like most who aren't in favor of Cousins aren't looking at it rationally, but looking at it strictly from afar with just a gut feeling. Kinda weird. I think Cousins said yesterday in an interview that he wants to be paid, but at this point in his career, the most important thing is winning. I don't think his demands will be ridiculous in the landscape of NFL franchise QB's.
in an offense friendly system that was dying to get rid of him... something just doesn't seem right there
I wish it were that simple. Who gives the best chance to win? Win what? Go 13-3 or take us to an entirely different level and win the Super Bowl? When? Next season or long term? Are injuries a factor? Is money? Problem is, ALL of those have to be factors in the decision.
I think Cousins would look fantastic in our offense and we'd be happy with the results, but his contract would cripple our chances for remaining competitive in the long term. Bradford has more arm talent than any of them. But did someone say bone on bone? How long before that knee starts aching again? I think Case would give us another competitive season. His intangibles are through the roof; I just don't think he has the arm talent to take this offense to the next level. I think Teddy is the option that is the most likely to become our long-term, franchise QB. But even if he's past his knee issue, there have to be questions about his durability moving forward.
There is no clear answer.
Cousins has done all he could the last 3 years and no one is mentioning the lack of a running game there.
Also, there defense has been terrible the last 3 years. This past year the pass defense was much better but the run defense was ranked 29th.
Give Cousins a running game (the Vikings have that), a reliable tight end (the Vikings have that), two really good receivers (the Vikings have that), a decent offensive line (the Vikings are working on that), and a top defense (the Vikings most definitely have that) and you just might be surprised.
Paying him 25 to 27 mil per year is not going to hurt the team at all.
They paid 22 mil for all 4 QBs this year.
The money is not an issue.
The odds of Cousins continuing his level of play have to be higher than Case repeating or Teddy coming back and improving.
I just cannot see how Spielman looks at this roster and then does not look very very seriously at Cousins who he can get without using any draft picks.
Quote: @mgobluevikes said:
Sounds like most who aren't in favor of Cousins aren't looking at it rationally, but looking at it strictly from afar with just a gut feeling. Kinda weird. I think Cousins said yesterday in an interview that he wants to be paid, but at this point in his career, the most important thing is winning. I don't think his demands will be ridiculous in the landscape of NFL franchise QB's.
so basing a decision strictly on limited stats is rational? I have played and watched the game my whole life, I will trust what I see more than what some limited numbers say, imo that is rational. I have no emotion involved with the decision, basing it on emotion would be irrational. I have said repeatedly that I am find with who ever Zim and Co. ultimately go with, but top level money (25+what weve heard mentioned) for a guy that is only above average in terms of what I (and others) have seen from him on the field... dumb.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
sorry, i am just not all that thrilled with him as a QB. stats can be very misleading.
heres some that can be considered as well.
2015 9-7
2016 8-7-1
2017 7-9
big time stats are great, but they dont tell a whole picture. how much of those gaudy numbers are built on prevent defenses because they are playing from behind?
I dont watch a ton of skins games, but what I have watched of him has left me thinking that he is a good (not great) QB with some glaring deficiencies in his game and that snyder was dumb to get into a pissing match with him, but even dumber to make him stay and grossly overpay for the performance he was getting. good not great and certainly not worth 25+ million per year IMO.
If he would sign for a contact that built up to bigger money after he shows that he can play better, maybe, but I would be hesitant to pay what others might.
His win/loss record looks a lot like Bradford with Philly and the Rams... and similar to Stafford and Carr. Keenum was 4-5 in St. Louis before coming here.
I get it... I would be hesitant to hand him a ridiculous contract, but if the Vikings can sign him to a contract similar to what Stafford and Carr just signed... I wouldn't be upset at all if the Vikings went that route.
this one is a no brainer here... W-L has nothing to do with the QB.
He had very little to work with the last couple years. he would be a big improvment over case/teddy. and you can't trust Sam to stay healthy at all.
and people complaining about the money just dont see the market like it really is i guess. they just see the $$$'s.
If Carr got 25 mill- and Stafford got 26 mill. that's just the price you gotta pay unless you want a below average QB...
Quote: @Neptizzle said:
in an offense friendly system that was dying to get rid of him... something just doesn't seem right there
Offensive friendly system? you mean the one where he had ZERO playmakers other than a decent slot wideout? ok....
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
Sounds like most who aren't in favor of Cousins aren't looking at it rationally, but looking at it strictly from afar with just a gut feeling. Kinda weird. I think Cousins said yesterday in an interview that he wants to be paid, but at this point in his career, the most important thing is winning. I don't think his demands will be ridiculous in the landscape of NFL franchise QB's.
so basing a decision strictly on limited stats is rational? I have played and watched the game my whole life, I will trust what I see more than what some limited numbers say, imo that is rational. I have no emotion involved with the decision, basing it on emotion would be irrational. I have said repeatedly that I am find with who ever Zim and Co. ultimately go with, but top level money (25+what weve heard mentioned) for a guy that is only above average in terms of what I (and others) have seen from him on the field... dumb.
Not trying to bait you here, but i know you're pro teddy- correct. is your "gut" telling you this because you believe in the ceiling of teddy still? at a lower cost?
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