Jeebus some guys are just stoopid, not to mention asz-clowns...

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Nothing in the grey about this...

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Another picture of them together at the same event.

https://twitter.com/bravenak/status/931715104512491520

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@purplefaithful said:
Nothing in the grey about this...

At least with this one, you can sort of understand the going for the joke thing. I mean he KNOWS he's being photographed. Yes, it's completely disrespectful, but I kinda get it. I don't think Al Franken is some kind of beast who's disrobing this woman after the photo. 

For example, there are several pictures of me and my wife at various parties in similar poses, and even one with her with her hand on my crotch. If things got ugly between her and me, how long would it take her to show only those pics that suggested that I was a perv and not her. 

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@MaroonBells said:

@purplefaithful said:
Nothing in the grey about this...

At least with this one, you can sort of understand the going for the joke thing. I mean he KNOWS he's being photographed. Yes, it's completely disrespectful, but I kinda get it. I don't think Al Franken is some kind of beast who's disrobing this woman after the photo. 

For example, there are several pictures of me and my wife at various parties in similar poses, and even one with her with her hand on my crotch. If things got ugly between her and me, how long would it take her to show only those pics that suggested that I was a perv and not her. 

I dont think he's a beast either. But man, his past his haunting him now.

Not sure if Tweeden would agree with that take or not? Sounds like there was more unwanted and aggressive advances beyond this. 

This will get an investigation and we'll see if the heat in the kitchen forces him to retire or not. 

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@MaroonBells said:
These sexual harassment / assault cases are epidemic. Less so a current epidemic than one that always was and we're just now finding out how bad it's been. Just shows a ridiculous level of arrogance and disrespect for women. But I would like to add that this can be really blurry sometimes.

Case in point, 20 years ago I managed a team of several graphic designers. These were entry-level designers, so inevitably many of them were young, beautiful women right out of college. I managed them, but I also socialized with them. One night after a company softball game, several of us went out for post-game beers. One of my designers complained to me that another had sexually harassed her. I asked her for details and she said he "creeped her out." I asked her for examples and she said "well, he's always telling me that he likes my outfit or whatever." I responded by saying that I, too, had occasionally complimented her on such things. She said "well....you're not creepy." I laughed it off. 

Couple weeks go by and I'm called into my boss' office and scolded for not reporting this. I was wrong for not reporting it and letting HR sort it out; however, I don't think anyone should be held accountable for just being "creepy." 

If we reported everyone creepy the state of WI would be under a cloud of constant reporting. 

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@MaroonBells said:
These sexual harassment / assault cases are epidemic. Less so a current epidemic than one that always was and we're just now finding out how bad it's been. 

Yes.  

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@Vikergirl said:

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@Vikergirl said:
A huge part of the problem is that many women do not feel safe enough to report it. Some will get second guessed by people they tell. Some will hear things like what did you do to provoke his actions. The age old myths of what were you wearing, were you flirting, even did you reject him or tell him no. That oh she's just playing hard to get mentality. Were you drinking and so on. These are deeply ingrained. She may feel dismissed or ignored for speaking out. Now the floodgates have opened. 

Gonna call BS on part of that.  Now to be clear, no one deserves harassment or rape or unwelcomed advances.  But flirting is basically welcomed harassment.  The only difference between harassment and flirting is as the girl in MBs workplace put it, one wasn't creepy.  She welcomed his compliments but found the "creepy" guy's to be harassment.

Now of course there is so much gray.  If it is made clear that it is unwelcomed, then continued advances (that is what both are) would constitute harassment. 

I will clarify. The friendly perceived as flirty line is more in line with what I was thinking of. She is friendly but one particular individual may think she is flirting with him. So it's perhaps a misperception of intent that he fixates on. They are not on the same page and this is where it can become problematic. 

Thanks for clarifying lol. 

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Two women say Sen. Al Franken groped them at Minneapolis events

The Huffington Post cited two unnamed women who said that Franken grabbed their buttocks in separate incidents during his first Senate campaign. 

http://www.startribune.com/two-more-wome...459426223/

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I think the heat in the kitchen is going to get pretty hot for Mr Franken, unless he can dispel these latest accusations quickly...Not sure "in the bunker" is serving him best right now. 

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@purplefaithful said:
I think the heat in the kitchen is going to get pretty hot for Mr Franken, unless he can dispel these latest accusations quickly...Not sure "in the bunker" is serving him best right now. 

5 bona-fide accusers, if you can believe Time, inc.  http://time.com/5042931/al-franken-accusers/

Time is a right-wing rag, tho, right?    =)

LOL @ the 'heat' on Franken.  There's no 'heat'.  Dems have long ago suplexed feminism at the altar of liberalism. 



Franken just needs to ride out the storm.  After all, he's on the 'right' side of abortion.  

'Choice'.... über alles.