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Yesterday, 12:57 PM
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(Yesterday, 11:18 AM)StickierBuns Wrote: But that's not what they'd be doing.....if they were to trade down, its because it would be the right decision if they determine that spot a lesser-than option for BPA. The issue we've had with KAM most times is he'd trade down and then our selections would be hot dog shit. But that doesn't mean the theory of 'trading down' is or was the wrong decision, it just means the team sucked at selecting players after doing so. Its just like there's an optimal way to play Texas Hold 'Em poker, but making the right choices doesn't mean you can't take a bad beat on the river.
It still comes down to selecting the right players when you pick.
I agree in principle but who in that building can properly assess and execute the move? KAM was clearly in over his head. Brez is not a personnel guy in any way shape or form. After KAM was fired it came to light that the coaches tried to take over the draft process as far back as 2023. And former failures like Miller and Grigson who don't appear to have done any better here are still in place.
Honestly I hope things are better but another bad draft wouldn't surprise me at all. They really have done next to nothing to change their weak process except take out an unqualified numbers guy and replace him with a numbers guy who's arguably unqualified on the personnel side even moreso than KAM.
Or maybe the Wilfs and their lazy, "just get lucky" philosophy will score a big draft win for a change.
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They might, but I don't think they drop very far if they do. Depends on who's left what they know the teams behind them need. Both Carolina at 19 and especially Duh Bears at 25 need safety so if the Vikes like Thienemen or EMW and only one lasts to 18, they don't risk losing him.
The IDL's to me seem like a fallback plan for if the safeties are gone.
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(Yesterday, 01:52 PM)RS_Express Wrote: They might, but I don't think they drop very far if they do. Depends on who's left what they know the teams behind them need. Both Carolina at 19 and especially Duh Bears at 25 need safety so if the Vikes like Thienemen or EMW and only one lasts to 18, they don't risk losing him.
The IDL's to me seem like a fallback plan for if the safeties are gone.
Dont forget about our friends in Motown who pick 17:
Brian Branch (torn Achilles)
Kerby Joseph (knee)
Unless the Vikings get a "godfather" type offer or they really believe the later S's are as good?
Draft Theineman at 18 and call it a day
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
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(Yesterday, 01:57 PM)purplefaithful Wrote: Dont forget about our friends in Motown who pick 17:
Brian Branch (torn Achilles)
Kerby Joseph (knee)
Unless the Vikings get a "godfather" type offer or they really believe the later S's are as good?
Draft Theineman at 18 and call it a day
Lions OL has taken a beating recently, so they could go that way and grab S depth later.
“Hell is empty and all the devils are here”
Shakespeare
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IMO Vikings are gonna have to trade up and down to get the players they want because their needs are known, a shrewd GM will trade in front of them and poach the player the Vikings want.
With Lions holding 17th pick they're vulnerable to getting sniped.
Lions will trade down to screw a divisional opponent.
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IF they stick or trade-down?
Gonna be a long night in the chat room
Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger!
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(Yesterday, 02:27 PM)Mattyman Wrote: IMO Vikings are gonna have to trade up and down to get the players they want because their needs are known, a shrewd GM will trade in front of them and poach the player the Vikings want.
With Lions holding 17th pick they're vulnerable to getting sniped.
Lions will trade down to screw a divisional opponent.
They say what?.....50% of first round picks are busts? Interesting story from about a year ago on recent trends in round 1 of the Draft:
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/nf...ound-deals
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I sure hope not.
We do NOT need more picks aka "Trader Rick" era.
We have four picks in the Top 100. That's potentially strong.
That potentially means four of the top 100 available college players.
Of course I know that's not exactly how it works, particularly if the Vikings draft for need vs BPA across the board.
I'll take quality over quantity, particularly given the poor results over the past several years.
We need better production from the picks we do have. We do not need more picks.
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You can’t make a blanket statement like trading up or down is good or bad. Every draft is different and the value tiers are different in every draft. Trading out of one tier into the next is never a good idea. But trading down within a tier is always a good idea….but it’s hard to do, because every team knows where the tiers are (roughly). And regardless of what you do, you still have to pick good players.
I disagree with those who say we don’t need more day-two picks. I think we do. The weakness on this team right now is the lack of youth, depth and affordable players, often represented on the roster by day-two draft picks. We haven’t had a 2nd rounder in 4 years and I think it shows.
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(Yesterday, 04:22 PM)MaroonBells Wrote: You can’t make a blanket statement like trading up or down is good or bad. Every draft is different and the value tiers are different in every draft. Trading out of one tier into the next is never a good idea. But trading down within a tier is always a good idea….but it’s hard to do, because every team knows where the tiers are (roughly). And regardless of what you do, you still have to pick good players.
I disagree with those who say we don’t need more day-two picks. I think we do. The weakness on this team right now is the lack of youth, depth and affordable players, often represented on the roster by day-two draft picks. We haven’t had a 2nd rounder in 4 years and I think it shows.
I agree to an extent with the tiers. I would like to see, if they trade down, to gather draft capital for the 27 draft. Rather then a 2nd to go from 18 to 31, can we get a 1st next year instead? I am no draftnik, but everyone I read says 27 is the monster draft of the decade. So load em up. If you have a couple of 1st's can you turn that in to Arch Manning if you need to?
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