ICE SHOOTING

[VikingOracle]

I dont know enough about the first one to have an educated opinion,  I will say I wouldnt be surprised if the pay out isnt necessarily a matter of guilt,  it may very well be the legal recommendation.  a jury in that area could very easily make a much larger award. I have seen many cases where the victim was very much responsible for their own misfortune and ended up getting paid.  I dont know the circumstances around the shooting so I wont say one way or the other.  I do know that with as many FBI agents that have been tied to that event,  and the evidence of the FBI encouraging and promoting illegal activities,  coupled with all the half truths and lies that have come out about the events of Jan 6th.... I dont know that I would believe what I find on it if I did go digging.

and no I dont believe the deceased in the MN incident is innocent,  I dont know that I believe that she was doing it with intent,  but she put herself into a terrible situation and her children are paying dearly for her recklessness.

Yes, but do you believe she "ran over" the ICE agent and it is hard to believe that he is alive?  Not asking whether the woman is innocent -- asking whether the administation's initial statements are supported by the facts in your opinion.

BTW, many of the insurrectionist are now seeking compensation for the time they spent in jail -- would you support that?

[purplefaithful]

you know what would have prevented all of this... if people and the media would just cut the bull shit and let these people do their jobs,  if you dont like their job then change the laws that they are paid to enforce.  its the anti govt rhetoric because they dont like the team that won that is creating these incidents by emboldening and enraging the minions.

It's lack of trust regarding the overall "what" "why" and "how."

ICE integrity; the belief (rightly or wrongly) that they are going after more than hardened criminals.
Lack of trust with Feds and Maga politicians and that this surge on MN is fueled by blatant racism, a broader assault against Blue states and a personal vendetta against Walz/Omar.

I am not aligned with Omar or the radical Mpls council myself.

Its just the same as if Biden or Obama were Potus - or George Bush. Just the other side would be the ones doing the mistrusting. 

All I can do as a lawful citizen is use my voting rights next time I get the chance, which will be the Governor election in MN and mid-terms.

I'm going to go pet my Lab now for a while and get some oxytocin pumping around.

[JimmyinSD]

Yes, but do you believe she "ran over" the ICE agent and it is hard to believe that he is alive?  Not asking whether the woman is innocent -- asking whether the administation's initial statements are supported by the facts in your opinion.

BTW, many of the insurrectionist are now seeking compensation for the time they spent in jail -- would you support that?

I think he exaggerated yes,  do I think the agent was concerned for his life and reacted as trained,  yes.

As far as compensation,  I think it depends on the individuals.  I think I've read about plenty that were unjustly held and should be compensated,   others not likely so much.

[savannahskol]

New vid post from ICE body cam released:


https://twitter.com/AlphaNews/status/200...2289626385


Footage taken by the ICE Agent forced to shoot a Minneapolis left-wing activist in self-defense proves what we already knew: that Renee Good aimed her two-ton SUV at this ICE agent and hit the gas.

As you can see, the ICE officer in question calmly exits his vehicle and approaches Good’s maroon, two-ton SUV, which she is using to block the road deliberately, and doing so while ICE is engaged in a law enforcement operation.

First, a smug-looking Renee Good taunts the ICE agent from the driver’s seat. Then Good’s equally smug “wife,” Rebecca, taunts the agent. “You wanna come at us?” she says. “You wanna come at us? Why don’t you go get yourself some lunch, big boy? Go ahead.”

It’s worth noting that the ICE agent says nothing in return. He doesn’t take the bait or allow himself to be provoked. He’s doing nothing to escalate the situation.

Nevertheless, the SUV still needs to be moved in order for these ICE officers to do their job and not risk an ambush in a hostile situation, so another agent can be heard ordering Renee to “get out of the car.”

And then it all happens within a second or two.

As the ICE agent in question attempts to walk around the SUV, apparently to assist his colleague in removing the poet from her vehicle, you can see that her tires are aimed screen right. Then she backs up while turning her tires to screen left, which aims the SUV directly at the ICE agent. Then she hits the gas and hits the agent. This is when the ICE agent, who had no choice, shoots her in an obvious case of self-defense.

Watch the video again, and you will see that Renee Good is looking directly at the ICE agent when she hits the gas.

At this point, there is no question that Renee Good did everything possible to get herself shot: She 1) interfered with a law enforcement operation, 2) refused a lawful order to exit her car, 3) backed up her two-ton SUV while being ordered to exit her car, 4) aimed that SUV at an ICE Agent, and 5) hit the gas.

At this point, it doesn’t matter what her intent was. If she was trying to kill the ICE agent, the shooting was justified. If she was willing to run over an ICE agent to escape arrest, the shooting was justified.

Once you prove — as our poet did — that you are willing to use a two-ton vehicle as a deadly weapon, you have proven that you must be stopped because you are not only a danger to this ICE agent, you are a danger to anyone else who makes the mistake of getting in your way.

In this case, deadly force was not only justified; it was the only moral choice.

This ICE officer needs to file defamation suits against every politician and media outlet that declared him a murderer.

-J Nolte

After watching the video I linked above from the ICE officer chest, CNN's chief law enforcement analyst
has opined the shooting was justified.  



On Friday’s broadcast of CNN’s “The Story Is,” CNN Law Enforcement Contributor Steve Moore stated that the new video of the shooting by ICE in Minneapolis “leads me to believe that this was likely a legally justified shooting” and while he wasn’t ready to say whether or not the shooting was a justified shooting before the video, he now believes “a reasonable investigation will find that the officer was within the deadly force policy.”

Moore said, “Up until this point, I wasn’t absolutely ready to come out and say that this, in my opinion, was probably a good shoot or not a good shoot. There was so much out there, and you just couldn’t tell. This one leads me to believe that this was likely a legally justified shooting.”

He added, “Legally justified means that a reasonable law enforcement officer — not a reasonable person on the street — but a trained law enforcement officer, believed that they were in imminent danger of losing their life or suffering grievous bodily injuries. It doesn’t have to be lethal force if it paralyzes you. That’s the type of thing. So, I believe, at that point, the officer was likely — and a reasonable investigation will find that the officer was within the deadly force policy.”

[purplefaithful]

The Mpls Star had a pretty good break down too.

Is there any point debating warranted shooting or not at this point? Imo that boat has sailed and it sailed the day it happened. 

I dont want to drag this out any longer than it has to for the people of this state. Many want ice to leave, no more people need to die, no more racist chants need to be raged from the White House. 

It was inevitable that someone in our state was going to die during this surge imo. Sure wish I would have been wrong on that one.

[JimmyinSD]

The Mpls Star had a pretty good break down too.

Is there any point debating warranted shooting or not at this point? Imo that boat has sailed and it sailed the day it happened. 

I dont want to drag this out any longer than it has to for the people of this state. Many want ice to leave, no more people need to die, no more racist chants need to be raged from the White House. 

It was inevitable that someone in our state was going to die during this surge imo. Sure wish I would have been wrong on that one.

If MN had followed the laws of the land instead of the wishes of party leadership...this doesnt happen,  if the media reports the news instead of inciting illegal actions against law officers this doesnt happen,  if MN had directed their law enforcement officers to assist the federal agencies by clearing the way for the feds to make their arrests and not allowing the manipulated populace put themselves in harms way... those kids still have their mom tonight.  This isn't about the current white house occupants,  this was set in motion before Trump and was set in stone by democrats brainwashing rhetoric and unwillingness to enforce US laws.

If this was yet again another example of an illegal killing a US citizen....it barely makes the local news,  there's no political gain in that story.  Its only a story because of the potential political value....which is the real tragedy.