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[Mattyman]

It's weird how the ego of head coaches is always their downfall.

Belicheat is a meat bag, but the dude would adjust and scheme in anyway he could if it gave him a chance to win.


KOC can adjust learn and grow thru this.

[greediron]

No, of course his job isn't in jeopardy, but his reputation has certainly taken a hit this year due to all the misjudgments. I think they started with Howell and continued with the failure to quickly recognize that his young QBs might be better off with a Cliff Notes version of his War and Peace offense. 

Mike Zimmer was a disaster near the end, but one of the things he did well IMO was adjust to the reality of the game. His game-planning seemed to be weak, but if an offense was moving the ball at will early on, you just knew Mike would find a way to shut it down later. There's a quote from Aaron Rodgers that sticks with me: "What happened after the 1st quarter?" "Mike Zimmer happened." 

KOC seems to be the opposite: the game plans are good, but he doesn't seem to adjust well to the reality of what's happening on the field.

Yeah, loved those Zimmer days.

Anyone remember that he had BRob on the field basically calling the pressures?  He would spend the 1st couple of drives learning their protections and then it was lights out.  Gink sort of reminds me of that type of intelligent defender.

KOC kinda reminds me of a Ponder type.  Very smart, but just freezes when fan starts throwing crap back.

[supafreak84]

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I think bringing in an experienced OC that is very run oriented is the only thing that will save KOC from himself.

And that's never something KOC would do unless it's forced upon him. No way he would bring in his possible replacement on staff (even in a temporary role) should things go badly in 2026 and someone who could point the finger back at KOC and say, "not me" when the Wilfs come looking for answers. KOC is the final voice on offense and is going to run it how he wants it and that's never going to change. Phillips is a no voiced patsy. That's the kind of guy KOC wants as an underling.

[kmillard]

It's weird how the ego of head coaches is always their downfall.

Belicheat is a meat bag, but the dude would adjust and scheme in anyway he could if it gave him a chance to win.


KOC  can adjust learn and grow thru this.

Can he?

[purplefaithful]

 Phillips is a no voiced patsy. That's the kind of guy KOC wants as an underling.

He learned it from McVay and how he uses Mike LaFleur...

[supafreak84]

He learned it from McVay and how he uses Mike LaFleur...

He probably learned it from McVay himself when OConnell was the no voiced patsy as "offensive coordinator" in an offense ran and called by McVay. OConnell NEVER called plays his entire coaching career before he landed in Minnesota. I can not stand when coordinators get lumped into the success of the head coach who runs the gameplan and called the plays on their side of the ball. The Brad Childress's of the world, the Eric Bienemy's of the world, the Ed Donnatell's of the world. I'll never understand why you would hire someone to be you're head coach when it's clear as day they had little to do with the success the head coach was responsible for. Now we have this pass happy, allergic to the run, long route developing, can't sustain drives bullshit that looks absolutely abysmal. It's really taken him 13 weeks of dogshit football for him to finally take some accountability and realize that he probably needs to dial things back in hoping to get any semblance of a competent offense going with a young quarterback? Absolutely incredible. I'll tell you, I 1,000% agree with Judd in that I'd never again trust OConnell in the development of a young quarterback, ever. Jaren Hall-awful, Sam Howell-awful, JJ McCarthy-awful, Max Brosmer-awful. The shine is off, way off, on the idea of OConnell being an offensive genius and "quarterback whisperer." RIP to any young quarterback who has to listen to OConnell's "whispers."

[purplefaithful]

Yeah, loved those Zimmer days.

Anyone remember that he had BRob on the field basically calling the pressures?  He would spend the 1st couple of drives learning their protections and then it was lights out.  Gink sort of reminds me of that type of intelligent defender.

KOC kinda reminds me of a Ponder type.  Very smart, but just freezes when fan starts throwing crap back.

I look back at all those Zimmer years and I dont have the fondness others seem to have. 

Not for him or the team accomplishments tbh. 

I remember winning the North in Lamblow in 2015 and of course the horseshoe season in 2017. 

Once Spielman traded for Kirko, the fun was over (least for me).

[MaroonBells]

I look back at all those Zimmer years and I dont have the fondness others seem to have. 

Not for him or the team accomplishments tbh. 

I remember winning the North in Lamblow in 2015 and of course the horseshoe season in 2017. 

Once Spielman traded for Kirko, the fun was over (least for me).

I don't have a fondness for the Zimmer years. At the end of his run, I wanted him gone. Same with Spielman. You're not speaking? Are you fucking kidding me? Are you professionals or middle school crushes? 

But, just like current leadership, both of them did SOME things well and some things not so well. I think to accurately evaluate someone--really, anyone in any job--you have to be truthful about both their assets and their liabilities.

[supafreak84]

A couple things I feel pretty confident about if the team would have retained Spielman;

- Kyle Hamilton is a Viking right now

- Jim Harbaugh is our head coach right now

How different does this team look just by those two moves?

[pattersaur]

A couple things I feel pretty confident about if the team would have retained Spielman;

- Kyle Hamilton is a Viking right now

- Jim Harbaugh is our head coach right now

How different does this team look just by those two moves?

- A broken down Kirk is still our QB on a deal that exceeded what he got from Atlanta

- Mannion is still QB2

Not that different