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McCarthy's Debut
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(08-19-2025, 09:02 AM)JimmyinSD Wrote: which is why IMO he and the starting OL should get at least 1 series in this last preseason game,  to much time between now and the start of the season,  give them one last live session with some clear things to work on in the limited reps.

It's really no longer necessary with the advent of joint practices.  He gets way more live reps there than he'd get in any preseason game along with the benefit that he doesn't have to take hits that could cause injury.  

Preseason is now mainly a place for 2nd and 3rd string guys to get live reps and bolster their case to make the team.
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(08-19-2025, 10:25 AM)Montana Tom Wrote: I don't necessarily agree with you on this.  
Just because he was familiar with that type of offense in Michigan does not translate to the NFL.  I think KOC may have tweaked the offense, but more to the point, he and Kwesi have tweaked his supporting cast on OL and backfield.  
We'll see soon enough.

I expect dink and dunk to start off the season. The Broncos brought Bo Nix along pretty slowly last year before really opening things up after the first half of the season. It seemed to work very well for his development. Not all QBs are the same and maybe being sidelined for a year means McCarthy doesn't need training wheels, but my guess is that KO will have them installed anyways.
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(08-19-2025, 01:07 PM)comet52 Wrote: It's really no longer necessary with the advent of joint practices.  He gets way more live reps there than he'd get in any preseason game along with the benefit that he doesn't have to take hits that could cause injury.  

Preseason is now mainly a place for 2nd and 3rd string guys to get live reps and bolster their case to make the team.

are they having joint practices again this week?  I only heard about them prior to last weeks game.
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(08-19-2025, 06:24 PM)JimmyinSD Wrote: are they having joint practices again this week?  I only heard about them prior to last weeks game.

No just last week.  The Pats did two weeks of joint practices, first with Washington.
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QB gets drafted in Top 10
goes thru OTA
Goes thru TC
plays 1 preseason game then goes on IR

JJ is the only player in NFL history that has followed that path , national media is missing that

At the NFL level, especially for QB's, it's all about the number of mistakes.

When JJ was put on IR he got to watch how the sausage is made. He saw Darnold go thru it and hit a slump and work his way out of it. . Game plan,, audibles, protection, adjustments, game film, play selection and how KOC calls a game plus all the little things....he saw it and now knows it.


He still has to execute ,and no way to tell for sure , but he'll make less mistakes this year, Especially unforced errors.
The New IOL and Top 3? 5? short yardage back in Mason (those pieces were not here last year) give JJ an advantage
Vikings have done an outstanding job of lightening the load.
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(08-19-2025, 06:52 PM)comet52 Wrote: No just last week.  The Pats did two weeks of joint practices, first with Washington.

So my opinion doesn't change,   if they dont have any joint practices this week and the season doesn't start until the 8th,  that's 3 and a half weeks of no live snaps,  that's to long for a guy in JJs situation and and an OL that has about no snaps as a full unit.
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(08-20-2025, 05:45 AM)JimmyinSD Wrote: So my opinion doesn't change,   if they dont have any joint practices this week and the season doesn't start until the 8th,  that's 3 and a half weeks of no live snaps,  that's to long for a guy in JJs situation and and an OL that has about no snaps as a full unit.

What are you basing this opinion on?  Most of the starting QBs in the league won't have live game action for at least that long before the openers.

JJM's camp rep timeline isn't any different than any rookie these days, which he technically isn't but from a practical standpoint he kind of is a rookie.  

If you count the jp and game reps he did have it's more than he'd get if he had play time in all three games and it's vs. ones not backups and with minimal injury risk.

Since they aren't going to run the starters out against Tennessee's twos and threes, they would have to put him out with our backups and hope some zealous Titans dlineman trying to make the squad doesn't run over a creampuff 3rd string olineman and injure JJM in the process.

I think you're advocating for something that is never going to be on KOC's radar.
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(08-19-2025, 05:26 AM)StickierBuns Wrote: I think Viking's fans need to keep in mind that this is not only JJ's first NFL start upcoming, but he went a long period last year where he couldn't even throw a football because of the knee recovery. He's doing a great job of making up for lost time, but the fact remains there's catching up to do and a limited time to get there. Pluses are that he knows the offense ins and outs, is handling the huddle and line of scrimmage well and doesn't lack in ability or confidence. But he'll be learning a lot when the bullets are live. His accuracy I think will be a work in progress and will get incrementally better as the season progresses. He's going to rely on his feet a bit more than KOC will like, but that's how athletic QBs rookies do it: look at Drake Maye, Caleb and Jayden. Vrabel said he wants Maye running much less this year.

Its not always going to look smooth. He's not always going to be the most efficient. He'll probably be more playmaker than pocket passer the first 5 to 7 games. But everyone will see the potential, the high upside and some eye-opening athletic plays. Just hang in there, there'll be a learning curve. I think to expect otherwise is to not look at the realities of the circumstance and situation. But he's got a great supporting cast and smart coaches.

Is someone getting cold feet and hedging bets on his longtime crush?

/kidding

(08-19-2025, 10:25 AM)Montana Tom Wrote: I don't necessarily agree with you on this.  
Just because he was familiar with that type of offense in Michigan does not translate to the NFL.  I think KOC may have tweaked the offense, but more to the point, he and Kwesi have tweaked his supporting cast on OL and backfield.  
We'll see soon enough.

Don't think we will need a ton of throws against the bears.  The D is going to come out and tear people up.  So yeah, I think the offense will start conservative and open up as confidence grows.
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(08-20-2025, 06:48 AM)comet52 Wrote: What are you basing this opinion on?  Most of the starting QBs in the league won't have live game action for at least that long before the openers.

JJM's camp rep timeline isn't any different than any rookie these days, which he technically isn't but from a practical standpoint he kind of is a rookie.  

If you count the jp and game reps he did have it's more than he'd get if he had play time in all three games and it's vs. ones not backups and with minimal injury risk.

Since they aren't going to run the starters out against Tennessee's twos and threes, they would have to put him out with our backups and hope some zealous Titans dlineman trying to make the squad doesn't run over a creampuff 3rd string olineman and injure JJM in the process.

I think you're advocating for something that is never going to be on KOC's radar.

my opinion is based on the fact that most QBs have taken a lot of meaningful competitive snaps in the last 12 months, including the rookies,  JJM hasnt seen shit for live action in about 18 months,  we have an OL that is being tasked with keeping a raw young QB alive, that also has almost no time together to build chemistry so they can use the reps as well.

How many of our 2s and 3s were trying to make a name against the Patriots starters last week when they were playing their 1s against our 2s ?

The kid is about as green as they come and needs live reps, I am sure he got some valuable snaps last week but I am also sure he was sharing a lot of those live looks in those practices with the other QBs on the roster,  so once again he would likely benefit by more time under center with live bullets,  even if the game doesnt count.

and honestly I dont give a shit if KOC agrees or not,  I am just saying its what I think would be a good idea considering the lengthy lay off from last weeks practice sessions until we are counting on him to lead scoring drives.  If they really expect this season to not be a throw away,  then they need to win the winnable games,  and the bears is about the easiest game on our schedule this year so putting our best foot forward for this one should be expected IMO.

if anybody is going to sit and fret about injuries to an unproven player,  they are watching the wrong sport.  you can hold him out all preseason and he could still get exploded on the first snap of the first game.  its not about preserving an unproven player, its about preparing that player the best they can.  maybe he shines,  but I sure didnt see it in the limited action he got in game 1.
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(08-20-2025, 11:49 AM)JimmyinSD Wrote: my opinion is based on the fact that most QBs have taken a lot of meaningful competitive snaps in the last 12 months, including the rookies,  JJM hasnt seen shit for live action in about 18 months,  we have an OL that is being tasked with keeping a raw young QB alive, that also has almost no time together to build chemistry so they can use the reps as well.
Ranting aside, I'm afraid the team sees it differently and I don't think you're making a compelling case for it to be otherwise.
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