Trump.... you are losing your base

[badgervike]

I am  not sure I would say a large chunk,  but I definitely see and hear more people in one of the most historically conservative states (SD) that are speaking out against some of the shit the last few months,  like his spending bill,  like the flopping on the epstein files,  and some other lesser things.  I think his approval rating is down about 6 or 7 points in the last couple months,  not huge,  but definitely showing a slip in his supporters.

His approval rating has remained steady throughout.  I still have never got the fascination on the Epstein "list".  Why would there be a list?  Epstein was one sick f@ck but most of it was for his own gratification.  Everyone treats this as a Heidi Fleiss deal.  Did some of his friends / acquaintances partake?  Probably / likely.  Some like the Prince Andrew deal were beyond the statute of limitations.  I liken this to the P Diddy scandal.  A lot of f@cked up things with sex/drugs/ trafficking but most of it was for Diddy's gratification and directed by Diddy.  Did he have a "list"?  Doubt it.  Btw..Trump has asked Bondi to release the Epstein Grand Jury testimony.  I agree with you that transparency is best.  I disagree with anyone that paints that on the Trump Admin.  The Biden Admin had the information their entire term and also did nothing with it.  My guess is it's a lot of circumstantial, uncorroborated or expired details including a lot of rich and famous connections.  I chuckle that people think that Trump is somehow implicated.  You're telling me that Biden sat on the get out of jail free card.  If there was ANYTHING that implicated Trump, it would have been leaked to a willing media partner before the elections.  Glad at least some of the information will come out.  I'm afraid that much like the Kennedy files, it will not live up to the hype.

For the Big Beautiful Bill, I'm willing to give it a chance...not sure why you're not.  The $340B per year cost is highly suspect as it was done using static scoring on the economy including the normal 1.9% economic growth rate.  That's the growth rate they use to score virtually every bill.  I watched a lot of Kevin Hassett discussing the bill.  He's really good by the way.  The economic bill they passed under the first Trump term with the tax cuts was scored at the same 1.9% growth even though Hassett had it scored at 3% growth.  The tax reductions achieved the 3% growth as anticipated...until Covid.  Hassett has the Big Beautiful Bill scored at 5% growth.  The BBB is all about growth.  If the 3% growth (or higher) is achieved, the bill will actually reduce the deficit on its own.  The bill also doesn't account for cost savings from Doge and other cuts nor does it include the projected $300 B per year in tariff revenues.  It also doesn't include some of the cuts that are caught up in litigation which will either be settled or require legislation by Congress.  The US actually had a budget surplus in June.  The first since 2017.  It's a start but far from what any of us fiscal conservatives want.  Trump wants his greatest achievement to be the economy...both on the growth side and the reduction in deficit/debt payments.  Again, lots of moving parts.  I'll wait and see how it turns out.  The Democrats were talking about a $10T Bill Back Better bill ($1T per year)...I'll bet that would have fixed our economy.....not.  Trump has a LOT of faults but he's the first President in a long time who is laser focused on the economy.  Hope he and his team are right.

[JimmyinSD]

Jimmy, I think you're a little bit of an outlier. That's not a bad thing, as I agree with a lot if not most of what you say, and only rarely disagree.   One thing you can be sure about with Trump polls are they're not going to put him in a better light than truly exists.  

You seem to nitpick at smaller parts of larger narratives.  I'm not for anything green at all, but sometimes you need to take some of the bad to get the good in politics.  The BBB certainly is representative of that.  As far as pipelines, I'm okay with the eminent domain logic behind them.  I don't think it should be abused, but it's absolutely necessary.  

I had to search for what I was being chastised for.  That one just came out naturally.  I'll avoid using that term on here that I use almost every day. 

outlier how?  I dont look to national polls about Trumps trending popularity, I only have to listen to everyone around me....  I live in about the most conservative place on the planet,  I assure you that what was once an overwhelming wave of support is starting to grumble about that actions of late,  will they come back around,  possibly, would they turn and vote blue if there was an election tomorrow,  very few would,  but there is a mid term election around the corner and that will take center stage in under a year and that is what is at stake here,  he pulled a lot of people his way this last election, but that can just as easily swing the other way if more promises arent delivered on.

he has lost elon,  who brought some of that middle ground his way,  dont think that elon didnt help carry the election,  why else would he become instant enemy #1 of the blue tie brigade?  Ive heard that some were moved by his endorsement by RFKjr... those health issues dont seem to be moving very fast,  I know some are getting pissy the covid vax is still getting pushed as much as it is and hasnt been limited or outright removed from the market,  as well as other things.  time will tell.  ( I still hear and see ads for the damn vax that are paid for by what are likely our tax dollars based on the messages and locations)


the pipelines in question are for CO2.... a green new deal wet dream boondoggle and the use of eminent domain is only for something that serves to overall good of the public,  sorry collecting CO2 and then piping it to ND so it can be "sequestered" ( used as a fracking media) does not serve the publics interest and I really question if anybody that thinks it justifies the use of eminent domain actually own any property of their own,  or if they are profiting from this effort in some way.

[JimmyinSD]

His approval rating has remained steady throughout.  I still have never got the fascination on the Epstein "list".  Why would there be a list?  Epstein was one sick f@ck but most of it was for his own gratification.  Everyone treats this as a Heidi Fleiss deal.  Did some of his friends / acquaintances partake?  Probably / likely.  Some like the Prince Andrew deal were beyond the statute of limitations.  I liken this to the P Diddy scandal.  A lot of f@cked up things with sex/drugs/ trafficking but most of it was for Diddy's gratification and directed by Diddy.  Did he have a "list"?  Doubt it.  Btw..Trump has asked Bondi to release the Epstein Grand Jury testimony.  I agree with you that transparency is best.  I disagree with anyone that paints that on the Trump Admin.  The Biden Admin had the information their entire term and also did nothing with it.  My guess is it's a lot of circumstantial, uncorroborated or expired details including a lot of rich and famous connections.  I chuckle that people think that Trump is somehow implicated.  You're telling me that Biden sat on the get out of jail free card.  If there was ANYTHING that implicated Trump, it would have been leaked to a willing media partner before the elections.  Glad at least some of the information will come out.  I'm afraid that much like the Kennedy files, it will not live up to the hype.

For the Big Beautiful Bill, I'm willing to give it a chance...not sure why you're not.  The $340B per year cost is highly suspect as it was done using static scoring on the economy including the normal 1.9% economic growth rate.  That's the growth rate they use to score virtually every bill.  I watched a lot of Kevin Hassett discussing the bill.  He's really good by the way.  The economic bill they passed under the first Trump term with the tax cuts was scored at the same 1.9% growth even though Hassett had it scored at 3% growth.  The tax reductions achieved the 3% growth as anticipated...until Covid.  Hassett has the Big Beautiful Bill scored at 5% growth.  The BBB is all about growth.  If the 3% growth (or higher) is achieved, the bill will actually reduce the deficit on its own.  The bill also doesn't account for cost savings from Doge and other cuts nor does it include the projected $300 B per year in tariff revenues.  It also doesn't include some of the cuts that are caught up in litigation which will either be settled or require legislation by Congress.  The US actually had a budget surplus in June.  The first since 2017.  It's a start but far from what any of us fiscal conservatives want.  Trump wants his greatest achievement to be the economy...both on the growth side and the reduction in deficit/debt payments.  Again, lots of moving parts.  I'll wait and see how it turns out.  The Democrats were talking about a $10T Bill Back Better bill ($1T per year)...I'll bet that would have fixed our economy.....not.  Trump has a LOT of faults but he's the first President in a long time who is laser focused on the economy.  Hope he and his team are right.

epstein is a big deal because of those involved, its a big deal because of the way it was handled ( its another hunter laptop all over again)  its a big deal because kids were sexually molested and apparently by wealthy and famous people and despite the master mind getting clintoncided in his cell,  and his right hand being imprisioned,  we are supposed to believe that this place was maintained by him and her for their own enjoyment,  despite all the names attached to this ordeal?  bull shit,  kids were fucking harmed and those involved in the acts or the cover  up need to be held responsible.   and the biggest reason it needs to be done now... is that all of us were incensed when the previous administration did nothing,  you know how hypocritical anybody not screaming now looks just because its our guy saying nothing happened?  if it was about justice for those kids under biden,  it needs to be justice for those kids under trump.

the bbb imo ... the juice isnt worth the squeeze,  we've been lied to so many times in the past to justify new spending and it hasnt worked in our lifetimes.  our govt is over bloated and the only way to get out of debt is to pay down that debt,  not just slowing down on the rate the debt increases,  but actually paying on the principal,  until I see a bill that delivers that its going to be another fail by our elected leaders.  also the pork and perks in the bbb ( see my previous post on the green new deal grift  and the use of eminent domain for pipelines )  I dont see the few cuts and a little economic recovery as the way to pay down the debt,  its going to take taxes at every level, not tax cuts, but tax increases.   as we move further and further into AI I think our ability  to tax and spend will only get worse,  we are heading into one very scary time with all the jobs that will be eliminated by AI and advanced automation.  I know some see this as exciting times thinking about the advances in health care and other things,  I just wonder if we remove a large part of the working class,  who will be able to afford to enjoy the new world,  and who will be paying down that debt?