Trump.... you are losing your base

[JimmyinSD]

Again, this isn't Heidi Fleiss.  The vast majority of Epstein's contacts were legitimate business and social contacts that had NO idea that Epstein had a dark side.   Many of those contacts were among the rich and famous.  The problem with releasing "the list" is you are basically requiring people to defend themselves against horrific acts.  They will always wear that Scarlett letter.  

So..if specific individuals that have a proven association and participated in these acts, that's a different deal.  I suspect there isn't as there haven't been more charges.  But releasing a list of those in Epstein's scope of influence with no proof of knowledge or participation in these acts...absolutely not.

The problem with this is the conspiracy theory regarding Epstein has become a cottage industry much like the Kennedy assassinations.  That release of the Kennedy information didn't shed any real new knowledge that there was a conspiracy or cover up much like this investigation didn't turn up much.  The big difference is you weren't implicating a bunch of innocent people by releasing the Kennedy files.  Epstein was friends with a lot of people in high places.  Should we tar and feather all of them regardless of whether they had anything to do with Epstein's exploits?

I dont really care about making the associate list public, but we all know there was sick shit happening and the fact that Maxwell is in prison proves it,  you can assume all you want about the amount of innocent people, but common sense says that some of those on that list need to be investigated and prosecuted,  and anybody that was even knowledgeable of the situation and kept quiet should be included, whether they partook or not, which I am guessing is a lot of those on that list.

this isnt about protecting the innocent,  this is about protecting the guilty.

[Waterboy]

I dont really care about making the associate list public, but we all know there was sick shit happening and the fact that Maxwell is in prison proves it,  you can assume all you want about the amount of innocent people, but common sense says that some of those on that list need to be investigated and prosecuted,  and anybody that was even knowledgeable of the situation and kept quiet should be included, whether they partook or not, which I am guessing is a lot of those on that list.

this isnt about protecting the innocent,  this is about protecting the guilty.

I read today that Bongino is taking the day off over anger at Bondi.  If she's doing what you say, she should be canned immediately.  If there were US citizens who had sex with minors, they should be prosecuted, no doubt.   The list of names doesn't need to be released to do so.  I think this won't go away any time soon.

[medaille]

Trump is undeniably losing a large chunk of his base. I think it's just a matter of whether or not the public is going to yo-yo back and forth between whichever party has pissed them off least recently, or will they flock to 3rd party candidates.

I think Trump has had the ability to flip flop or appear bipolar on issues, but he's flying in direct opposition to what his base wants right now.

[Waterboy]

Trump is undeniably losing a large chunk of his base.  I think it's just a matter of whether or not the public is going to yo-yo back and forth between whichever party has pissed them off least recently, or will they flock to 3rd party candidates.

I think Trump has had the ability to flip flop or appear bipolar on issues, but he's flying in direct opposition to what his base wants right now.

Please show any substantiating evidence to back your point.  I think his “base” is stronger than about any other candidate I’ve ever seen.

[JimmyinSD]

Trump is undeniably losing a large chunk of his base.  I think it's just a matter of whether or not the public is going to yo-yo back and forth between whichever party has pissed them off least recently, or will they flock to 3rd party candidates.

I think Trump has had the ability to flip flop or appear bipolar on issues, but he's flying in direct opposition to what his base wants right now.

I am  not sure I would say a large chunk,  but I definitely see and hear more people in one of the most historically conservative states (SD) that are speaking out against some of the shit the last few months,  like his spending bill,  like the flopping on the epstein files,  and some other lesser things.  I think his approval rating is down about 6 or 7 points in the last couple months,  not huge,  but definitely showing a slip in his supporters.

[Waterboy]

I am  not sure I would say a large chunk,  but I definitely see and hear more people in one of the most historically conservative states (SD) that are speaking out against some of the shit the last few months,  like his spending bill,  like the flopping on the epstein files,  and some other lesser things.  I think his approval rating is down about 6 or 7 points in the last couple months,  not huge,  but definitely showing a slip in his supporters.

Who else will they vote for?  You're talking the far right of his base and they're not going anywhere.  .5% may vote Libertarian, the rest are safely stashed and he gains more on the left.  People that supported Trump's agenda going in aren't going anywhere.  He's delivering on nearly 100% of what he promised.  Everything else is noise.  Libtards that didn't give two shits about Epstein want to blow this up, and yes some of his base (me included) want more transparency on the Epstein thing.  BUT......  I know Trump isn't hiding it for personal reasons and I understand that there could be 100 different reasons why it's being handled the way that it is.  Think of it, James Comey's daughter was the prosecutor and just got fired.  Rumor is the Justice Dept couldn't release anything even if they wanted to legally at this point.  The part that's off with me is the messaging.  If that's the reason, say that....  I think it has hurt him in the s-t and will have absolutely 0 effect in the l-t.  The country will compare and contrast these last two presidencies and transparency and it won't be a contest.

[JimmyinSD]

Who else will they vote for?  You're talking the far right of his base and they're not going anywhere.  .5% may vote Libertarian, the rest are safely stashed and he gains more on the left.  People that supported Trump's agenda going in aren't going anywhere.  He's delivering on nearly 100% of what he promised.  Everything else is noise.  Libtards that didn't give two shits about Epstein want to blow this up, and yes some of his base (me included) want more transparency on the Epstein thing.  BUT......  I know Trump isn't hiding it for personal reasons and I understand that there could be 100 different reasons why it's being handled the way that it is.  Think of it, James Comey's daughter was the prosecutor and just got fired.  Rumor is the Justice Dept couldn't release anything even if they wanted to legally at this point.  The part that's off with me is the messaging.  If that's the reason, say that....  I think it has hurt him in the s-t and will have absolutely 0 effect in the l-t.  The country will compare and contrast these last two presidencies and transparency and it won't be a contest.

lol... he cant run again so we arent talking about election consequences,  but as far as his popularity in general.

and you are wrong,  he said he was going to release the epstein stuff or at least put people in jail that were involved with kids, and now his people are trying to claim it doesnt exist,  only a few months after saying that they were reviewing it?  and if you think liberals are the only ones that are pissed off about the change of position on this you are grossly mistaken,  there are plenty of people that voted for him that are not buying the bull shit coming from Bondi and Patel.

He claimed he was going to get rid of the green new deal shit... its still funded, and as far as I know there is now a real easy way for pipeline companies to get their way through private land regardless of the states rulings on them... this is bull shit and if it was a blue tie bill you know damn well your head would be exploding.

and I dont know that I need to remind you about the childish name calling,  even in general terms,  if you cant be respectful of those you disagree with,  then you cant use this forum.

[badgervike]

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[JimmyinSD]

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not sure who they are polling ( where) or how its done ( wording) ,  but I can honestly say I hear even the most ardent Trump backers speak of disappointment in the events of the last couple weeks.... but then I dont really associate with people that would answer a pollsters call.

[Waterboy]

lol... he cant run again so we arent talking about election consequences,  but as far as his popularity in general.

and you are wrong,  he said he was going to release the epstein stuff or at least put people in jail that were involved with kids, and now his people are trying to claim it doesnt exist,  only a few months after saying that they were reviewing it?  and if you think liberals are the only ones that are pissed off about the change of position on this you are grossly mistaken,  there are plenty of people that voted for him that are not buying the bull shit coming from Bondi and Patel.

He claimed he was going to get rid of the green new deal shit... its still funded, and as far as I know there is now a real easy way for pipeline companies to get their way through private land regardless of the states rulings on them... this is bull shit and if it was a blue tie bill you know damn well your head would be exploding.

and I dont know that I need to remind you about the childish name calling,  even in general terms,  if you cant be respectful of those you disagree with,  then you cant use this forum.

not sure who they are polling ( where) or how its done ( wording) ,  but I can honestly say I hear even the most ardent Trump backers speak of disappointment in the events of the last couple weeks.... but then I dont really associate with people that would answer a pollsters call.

Jimmy, I think you're a little bit of an outlier. That's not a bad thing, as I agree with a lot if not most of what you say, and only rarely disagree.   One thing you can be sure about with Trump polls are they're not going to put him in a better light than truly exists.  

You seem to nitpick at smaller parts of larger narratives.  I'm not for anything green at all, but sometimes you need to take some of the bad to get the good in politics.  The BBB certainly is representative of that.  As far as pipelines, I'm okay with the eminent domain logic behind them.  I don't think it should be abused, but it's absolutely necessary.  

I had to search for what I was being chastised for.  That one just came out naturally.  I'll avoid using that term on here that I use almost every day.