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supafreak84 · 02-24-2025, 12:14 PM

(02-24-2025, 11:11 AM)JustInTime Wrote: Ask Ohio State if he was productive. Lowest PFF grade over that span was 70 even. 3 times in the 80s, once near 90. Considering he was priority 1A for every offense he faced, I think there’s more than just splash plays.

Too bad he didn’t have a tfl ending with a helmet flying off a RB

Let's also ask Oregon, Michigan State, Texas, Indiana, etc. There were plenty of games he didn't produce like you'd expect a consensus top 5 player to, especially with another high NFL draft pick playing alongside him. It's all moot obviously because he's not in the conversation for the Vikings, but to me he is one of the more overhyped players in this draft and happy to see him go before we are on the clock.

JustInTime · 02-24-2025, 12:20 PM

(02-24-2025, 12:14 PM)supafreak84 Wrote: Let's also ask Oregon, Michigan State, Texas, Indiana, etc. There were plenty of games he didn't produce like you'd expect a consensus top 5 player to, especially with another high NFL draft pick playing alongside him. It's all moot obviously because he's not in the conversation for the Vikings, but to me he is one of the more overhyped players in this draft and happy to see him go before we are on the clock.

Lowest graded game of those you mention is 70.9. I’m not a PFF fanboy, but if every single NFL team subscribes, there’s merit to it.

supafreak84 · 02-24-2025, 01:09 PM

(02-24-2025, 12:20 PM)JustInTime Wrote: Lowest graded game of those you mention is 70.9. I’m not a PFF fanboy, but if every single NFL team subscribes, there’s merit to it.

Does anybody really know what goes into a PFF grading formula? I don't think anybody really does, but when I look at some of these stat lines consisting of a solo tackle, two assisted tackles, no sacks, no forced fumbles...it makes me wonder how they come up with some of these grades. 7 total TFL on the year. This is the same outfit (PFF) that had Josh Oliver as a top 5 TE in the league at one point last year or had Bradbury as one of their top graded centers. Stats certainly dont always tell the story, but when you are a consensus top 5 player you'd certainly like to see more numbers in that department. Like I said, it's all moot for the Vikings as Graham will be well off the board before we are on the clock.

JustInTime · (This post was last modified: 02-24-2025, 01:31 PM by JustInTime.)

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MaroonBells · 02-24-2025, 02:25 PM

(02-24-2025, 01:09 PM)supafreak84 Wrote: Does anybody really know what goes into a PFF grading formula? I don't think anybody really does, but when I look at some of these stat lines consisting of a solo tackle, two assisted tackles, no sacks, no forced fumbles...it makes me wonder how they come up with some of these grades. 7 total TFL on the year. This is the same outfit (PFF) that had Josh Oliver as a top 5 TE in the league at one point last year or had Bradbury as one of their top graded centers. Stats certainly dont always tell the story, but when you are a consensus top 5 player you'd certainly like to see more numbers in that department. Like I said, it's all moot for the Vikings as Graham will be well off the board before we are on the clock.

https://www.pff.com/grades.

Bradbury's pass pro grades are in line with what you might expect, but his grades hold up in context with the rest of the NFL because is a very good run blocker, which is hard for your average fan to even see.

As far as production goes, I'm sure you've heard me say this before, but I've always felt it's the most overrated factor in the draft. I think that's because you're not looking for good college players; you're looking for players who project to be good pros. And college production can be very misleading.

Ron Dayne, Ed Marinaro, David Klingler, Case Keenum and Corey Davis all hold NCAA records for production. You know who has the most sacks at the FBS level the last 10 years? Javon Rolland-James. Ya, I don't know who that is either. You know who's sack numbers paled in comparison? Myles Garrett and Danielle Hunter to name just a couple. Just sayin....

JustInTime · (This post was last modified: 02-24-2025, 03:18 PM by JustInTime.)

Dancing Bear.

As I look closer at this rep, the result is great but the technique is poor. He pops right up and exposes his chest. NFL lineman probably stones him if he wins the hand battle. Arm over saves him plus I think he sheds his opponent’s hands quickly.

JustInTime · Yesterday, 07:03 AM

MaroonBells · Yesterday, 08:58 AM

(Yesterday, 07:03 AM)JustInTime Wrote:

I think Stewart is one of the more overlooked players in this draft. Classic tweener. People who want an edge don't like him because he's too big. People who want a DT don't like him because he's too small. Might be a pretty good fit for a team looking for a 3-4 end though.

supafreak84 · Yesterday, 11:13 AM

(Yesterday, 08:58 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: I think Stewart is one of the more overlooked players in this draft. Classic tweener. People who want an edge don't like him because he's too big. People who want a DT don't like him because he's too small. Might be a pretty good fit for a team looking for a 3-4 end though.

Reminds me of Tyree Wilson, who the Raiders are still trying to figure out what his best position is

JustInTime · (This post was last modified: Yesterday, 12:43 PM by JustInTime.)

(Yesterday, 08:58 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: I think Stewart is one of the more overlooked players in this draft. Classic tweener. People who want an edge don't like him because he's too big. People who want a DT don't like him because he's too small. Might be a pretty good fit for a team looking for a 3-4 end though.

That Texas A&M DL was loaded. Again.