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Waterboy · Yesterday, 09:50 AM

(Yesterday, 12:50 AM)Canthony Wrote: He is just a troll. His KOC assessment is completely wrong.

It's not completely wrong.

supafreak84 · Yesterday, 10:14 AM

I think KOC has done some good things, but despite all the regular season success the bottom line is he is 0-2 in the playoffs with two awful first round exits. I concur with some of the criticism in that his offense is either on, or it's not and he doesn't do much to alter the game plan. The play calling takes too long and it seems like several times a game we are rushing to get the snap off before the playclock expires and it results in a penalty or screws up the cadence of the play. This team has to get better, but so does KOC.

Oh, and Sean McVay is still his daddy until proven otherwise

MAD GAINZ · Yesterday, 12:10 PM

(Yesterday, 09:50 AM)Waterboy Wrote: It's not completely wrong.

The idea we shouldn't extend Kevin O'Connell this off-season is completely wrong.

He's done enough to get an extension. The culture, the QB development, the fact he's won 65% of his games in his first three years. Yeah, let's not be stupid about this. He's a good dude, good coach, and we would be fools to not keep him.

This is his 3rd year as a HC. He's accomplished more than a lot of guys in their first 3 years on the job. Remember when another bright offensive mind couldn't win the big one years ago? And then his organization pushed him out despite a great record, being a player coach, and a great offensive mind. Yeah that guy was Andy Reid and he went on to win a lot of playoff games and Super Bowls with the Chiefs after leaving Philly.

*JimmyinSD* · Yesterday, 12:52 PM

(Yesterday, 12:10 PM)MAD GAINZ Wrote: The idea we shouldn't extend Kevin O'Connell this off-season is completely wrong.

He's done enough to get an extension. The culture, the QB development, the fact he's won 65% of his games in his first three years. Yeah, let's not be stupid about this. He's a good dude, good coach, and we would be fools to not keep him.

This is his 3rd year as a HC. He's accomplished more than a lot of guys in their first 3 years on the job. Remember when another bright offensive mind couldn't win the big one years ago? And then his organization pushed him out despite a great record, being a player coach, and a great offensive mind. Yeah that guy was Andy Reid and he went on to win a lot of playoff games and Super Bowls with the Chiefs after leaving Philly.

how many coaches get it in their first HC gig?

I am not saying not to extend KOC, I think he has earned a few more years. ( I would add 2 more years onto his existing deal with a nice bump in pay for the next 3)

I am just wondering if part of a successful coach in the modern era comes from trial and error, and being part of multiple organizations to be able to really become that type of coach that really gets the most out of his players.

DH11 · Yesterday, 01:02 PM

(Yesterday, 08:29 AM)MAD GAINZ Wrote: The thing is... after the Indy and Jacksonville games, the high or off target throws were 5-6 passes per game. Darnold was completing like 65% of his passes on 30+ attempts. It wasn't until these last two games where the high and/or off target passes were the majority instead of the minority.

Every QB has bad throws here and there. Seemed like the bigger the stakes, the worse Sam played.

He still had a good season overall, but QBs are defined by what they do in the big moments and big games and Darnold wasn't good enough when we the stakes were highest.

Wow I really don’t appreciate being called a troll. I’ve seen three of the 4 Vikings Super Bowl losses so I go back a lot longer than you I bet? I’m assuming if you can’t see the shortcomings in Kevin O’Connell then you are just looking at it through purple colored glasses he was thoroughly out classed the last two week. Your quarterback was off which in turn you need to change up your scheme and go shorter routes, and quick hitting patterns. It’s not brain surgery. Everything doesn’t have to be 20 yards downfield. I like Kevin O’Connell he seems like a good young coach, but he has a lot to learn about making in game adjustments. He was absolutely atrocious.

medaille · (This post was last modified: Yesterday, 02:20 PM by medaille.)

KOC will definitely get extended, but maybe we’ve transitioned from “KOC is Coach of the Year/Offensive Guru/QB Whisperer/Just back up the brinks truck” to “He’s a pretty good coach that still has some flaws that keep him out of the top tier of coaches”

DH11 · Yesterday, 01:08 PM

(Yesterday, 01:03 PM)medaille Wrote: KOC will definitely get extended, but maybe we’ve transitioned from “KOC is Coach of the Year/Offensive Guru/QB Whisperer/Just back up the brinks truck” to “He’s a pretty coach that still has some flaws that keep him out of the top tier of coaches”

This

MAD GAINZ · Yesterday, 01:14 PM

(Yesterday, 01:02 PM)DH11 Wrote: Wow I really don’t appreciate being called a troll. I’ve seen three of the 4 Vikings Super Bowl losses so I go back a lot longer than you I bet? I’m assuming if you can’t see the shortcomings in Kevin O’Connell then you are just looking at it through purple colored glasses he was thoroughly out classed the last two week. Your quarterback was off which in turn you need to change up your scheme and go shorter routes, and quick hitting patterns. It’s not brain surgery. Everything doesn’t have to be 20 yards downfield. I like Kevin O’Connell he seems like a good young coach, but he has a lot to learn about making in game adjustments. He was absolutely atrocious.

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StickierBuns · Yesterday, 01:53 PM

(Yesterday, 01:03 PM)medaille Wrote: KOC will definitely get extended, but maybe we’ve transitioned from “KOC is Coach of the Year/Offensive Guru/QB Whisperer/Just back up the brinks truck” to “He’s a pretty coach that still has some flaws that keep him out of the top tier of coaches”

So who's your 'top tier of coaches'? And what's your criteria? And why are you blaming him again for obvious Darnold shortcomings? What are his flaws?

Nobody's perfect and neither is KOC. But if I hear one more dim perspective of how KOC didn't gameplan 'short throws or check downs' I'm going to burp up bile. They were there.....Sam didn't utilize them or see them in his skittish frenzy. Execution is everything. John McKay's great quote when asked what he thought about the team's execution in a particular game and he famously said, "I'm all for it".

Sometimes the best laid plans of mice and men......they don't work if the players don't perform.

purplefaithful · Yesterday, 02:01 PM

(Yesterday, 01:53 PM)StickierBuns Wrote: So who's your 'top tier of coaches'? And what's your criteria? And why are you blaming him again for obvious Darnold shortcomings? What are his flaws?

Nobody's perfect and neither is KOC. But if I hear one more dim perspective of how KOC didn't gameplan 'short throws or check downs' I'm going to burp up bile. They were there.....Sam didn't utilize them or see them in his skittish frenzy. Execution is everything. John McKay's great quote when asked what he thought about the team's execution in a particular game and he famously said, "I'm all for it".

Sometimes the best laid plans of mice and men......they don't work if the players don't perform.

It's the million $ question and one that has gotten asked so much over the years - and ALWAYS after a loss.

I honestly dont have a handle on whether (or not) KOC had a great game plan that Darnold couldn't execute (or our OL) or if KOC completely didnt learn from the Lions or last Rams game?

The truth is that it may be both.