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pattersaur · 11-15-2024, 12:14 PM

Quinyon Mitchell, PHI CB rookie, locked down Terry McLaurin last night. Extremely impressive. He's been shutting down WR1s all year.

I guess I'm going to keep posting sad Turner adjacent factoids in here by myself. Why? Unsure.

purplefaithful · (This post was last modified: 11-15-2024, 12:46 PM by purplefaithful.)

(11-15-2024, 12:14 PM)pattersaur Wrote: Quinyon Mitchell, PHI CB rookie, locked down Terry McLaurin last night. Extremely impressive. He's been shutting down WR1s all year.

I guess I'm going to keep posting sad Turner adjacent factoids in here by myself. Why? Unsure.

I suspect its because fans are still rooting for Turner to turn the corner and aren't that interested in how other teams rookies are doing in comparison?

Its pretty safe to say at this point that the #1 draft choices from last year wont contribute much in 24.

Fingers crossed for 25!

Montana Tom · 11-15-2024, 12:49 PM

I think people forget that among our FA signings and draft additions at Edge, was Greenard and Van Ginkel and of course Turner. Our losses included Hunter and DJ Wonnum (who is now starting to break out for Carolina after healing from injury). At the time we plucked Turner in the first round, we thought we had a good one in Greenard, but my sense is that Van Ginkel was more of an unknown, coming off an injury that kept him out of minicamps.

Putting it into perspective, I think it appears that Van Ginkel is every bit the stud that Kwesi (and BFlo) thought he was, while he was a mostly unknown quantity to us. An embarrassment of riches (almost, at that particular position). Turner will get more snaps, and Gink and Greenard will get banged up as the season goes on.

Bottom line, I think that the emergence of Gink in BFlo's defense was the pleasant surprise, keeping Turner off the field more than anyone would have guessed.

StickierBuns · (This post was last modified: 11-15-2024, 03:54 PM by StickierBuns.)

(11-15-2024, 12:49 PM)Montana Tom Wrote: I think people forget that among our FA signings and draft additions at Edge, was Greenard and Van Ginkel and of course Turner. Our losses included Hunter and DJ Wonnum (who is now starting to break out for Carolina after healing from injury). At the time we plucked Turner in the first round, we thought we had a good one in Greenard, but my sense is that Van Ginkel was more of an unknown, coming off an injury that kept him out of minicamps.

Putting it into perspective, I think it appears that Van Ginkel is every bit the stud that Kwesi (and BFlo) thought he was, while he was a mostly unknown quantity to us. An embarrassment of riches (almost, at that particular position). Turner will get more snaps, and Gink and Greenard will get banged up as the season goes on.

Bottom line, I think that the emergence of Gink in BFlo's defense was the pleasant surprise, keeping Turner off the field more than anyone would have guessed.

Wonnum went up against the backup LT for the Giants as starter Andrew Thomas has been out for the year 3 weeks ago with an injury. Not sure I'd say that's a 'breakout' for him, 1 sack. The Vikings haven't missed DJ Wonnum. Gink was instrumental to a BFlo defense, he knew it and knows it. Turner is 21 years old and this defensive schematic is hard to grasp, because its full of disguise and strategy. He's a tad undersized. I expect a much different Turner in 2025, both physically and mentally.

pattersaur · Yesterday, 04:52 PM

12 snaps against TEN this week. I didn't see him make much of an impact but PFF has him graded 10th of 18 players on defense.

So that's... something! Hopefully he can build on this in Chicago.

purplefaithful · (This post was last modified: Yesterday, 05:08 PM by purplefaithful.)

(Yesterday, 04:52 PM)pattersaur Wrote: 12 snaps against TEN this week. I didn't see him make much of an impact but PFF has him graded 10th of 18 players on defense.

So that's... something! Hopefully he can build on this in Chicago.

I just dont see him stealing too many snaps from Van Ginkel or Greenard right now...Those guys are both playing really good ball.

I dont see them doing like a Cheetah pkg though. Where they could line-up Greenard/Van Ginkel, Turner and PJ II all on one line in passing downs?

(Yesterday, 05:00 PM)purplefaithful Wrote: I just dont see him stealing too many snaps from Van Ginkel or Greenard right now...Those guys are both playing really good ball.
I dont see them doing like a Cheetah pkg though. Where they could line-up Greenard/Van Ginkel, Turner and PJ II all on one line in passing downs?

With two sacks against the Titans, edge rusher Andrew Van Ginkel became just the third defender in NFL history with at least eight sacks and two interceptions returned for touchdowns in the same season, joining Terrell Suggs in 2008 and Jason Taylor in 2006.

MAD GAINZ · Yesterday, 06:32 PM

I don't get the hand wringing about Dallas Turner. Van Ginkel and Greenard have been playing great football and have been remarkably healthy this season. Just not many snaps for Turner considering he's also competing with Patrick Jones and Jihad Ward for snaps. Edge is our deepest position group on the team.

Nothing wrong with letting the young guy learn behind the vets. This used to be common place not that long ago. He's a talented kid and could use another off-season to add some NFL strength and technique. He'll be fine everyone.

StickierBuns · Today, 05:30 AM

(Yesterday, 06:32 PM)MAD GAINZ Wrote: I don't get the hand wringing about Dallas Turner. Van Ginkel and Greenard have been playing great football and have been remarkably healthy this season. Just not many snaps for Turner considering he's also competing with Patrick Jones and Jihad Ward for snaps. Edge is our deepest position group on the team.

Nothing wrong with letting the young guy learn behind the vets. This used to be common place not that long ago. He's a talented kid and could use another off-season to add some NFL strength and technique. He'll be fine everyone.

This. No way Dallas understands the nuances of a BFlo defense and those in front of him are performing at a high level right now.

pattersaur · 11 hours ago

The first round pick we traded a bundle for, including our 2025 3rd and 4th rd picks, barely plays and you guys don't understand the hand-wringing? Disagree with it fine but a little worry here doesn't seem that absurd.

Turner still has massive ceiling and potential that I hope he can reach, or else I wouldn't be so interested in his development. I'm over the moon we're 8-2 and thrilled with the season overall. Just antsy to see more DT. Him squashing Caleb Williams this weekend would be a lot of fun.

MAD GAINZ · 5 hours ago

(11 hours ago)pattersaur Wrote: The first round pick we traded a bundle for, including our 2025 3rd and 4th rd picks, barely plays and you guys don't understand the hand-wringing? Disagree with it fine but a little worry here doesn't seem that absurd.

Turner still has massive ceiling and potential that I hope he can reach, or else I wouldn't be so interested in his development. I'm over the moon we're 8-2 and thrilled with the season overall. Just antsy to see more DT. Him squashing Caleb Williams this weekend would be a lot of fun.

Right, but who's snaps is he taking? Greenard with his 7 sacks and who is 3rd in the NFL in QB pressures? Van Ginkel and his 8 sacks and 2 pick 6s?