fix was in

[AGRforever]

Just allow the eye in the sky to fix egregious calls like this. I thought that’s why we had NY watching.

[JimmyinSD]

Just allow the eye in the sky to fix egregious calls like this. I thought that’s why we had NY watching.

The only issue is what or who determines "egregious"?

[FLVike]

The only issue is what or who determines "egregious"?

Most likely it would be someone like Joe Buck, you know,  a Packers fan

[badgervike]

Can someone refresh my memory? Wasn't there a Vikings challenge on a play several years back where basically the ref affirmed the challenge but called a foul on the Vikings that he spotted during the review? Maybe it was too many men on the field? I can't remember the specifics. If that could happen...how come you can't throw a challenge flag for something stupid on this play (like whether Darnold was in the end zone) and assume the ref would see the obvious face mask.

[JimmyinSD]

Can someone refresh my memory? Wasn't there a Vikings challenge on a play several years back where basically the ref affirmed the challenge but called a foul on the Vikings that he spotted during the review? Maybe it was too many men on the field? I can't remember the specifics. If that could happen...how come you can't throw a challenge flag for something stupid on this play (like whether Darnold was in the end zone) and assume the ref would see the obvious face mask.

I seem to remember something like that as well, however they arent supposed to be able to make new calls. in this case it was under 2 minutes so no coaches challenges, although I would say that all scoring plays ( and there was a safety called ) are automatically reviewed, so assuming they did review it, they apparently cant make it right under review.

[badgervike]

I seem to remember something like that as well,  however they arent supposed to be able to make new calls.  in this case it was under 2 minutes so no coaches challenges, although I would say that all scoring plays ( and there was a safety called ) are automatically reviewed,  so assuming they did review it, they apparently cant make it right under review.

I forgot it was under 2 min but the same thing should apply on a change of possession that is automatically reviewed.  Shouldn't the New York official be able to intervene on fouls that caused the change of possession?  In this case, it would have been simple to let the field ref know he missed a bad face mask penalty.

[JimmyinSD]

I forgot it was under 2 min but the same thing should apply on a change of possession that is automatically reviewed.  Shouldn't the New York official be able to intervene on fouls that caused the change of possession?  In this case, it would have been simple to let the field ref know he missed a bad face mask penalty.

if they allowed that... then that would take the ability to manipulate outcomes out of the equation, or maybe it would make even more people question the integrity of the game. Aint a whole lot of trust from anybody when it comes to people with authority these days in this country.

[pattersaur]

I've been watching a ton of baseball during the playoffs, and I gotta say it's nice how little impact the umps have on the games. Sure they might blow some stuff here or there but it's rare for them to materially affect the outcome in the way NFL refs can. Different games, way more moving parts, players, etc. I understand.

Just saying, it's refreshing. The games have been good too. Maybe baseball isn't totally dead.

[medaille]

I feel like if we have no booth ability to review bad officiating, the league has some amount of plausible deniability, because no one can go into that guys head and say “This is what you saw”. If we have a booth that is able to carte blanche fix broken officiating, you are 100% right that it could go either way. The booth could fix broken officiating, prevent a small handful of rogue officials from fixing games, build increased trust from the fans. They also could ignore bad officiating and build support for the idea that the whole league is rigged and not just one corrupt officiating team. Like if the booth is ignoring things that blatant, while having access to zoomed in camera angles, instant replay, etc., we’re all going to know it’s corrupt to the top.

That said, even with a booth review of officiating, they’ll still be able to rig games, just because someone is always holding on offense or holding/PI on defense and you can still selectively call those.

What we really need is someone to analyse the games statistically to determine if one side was unfairly punished much more than the other side, to verify if certain crews are more biased than others, either to certain teams, star players, vegas betting lines, etc. I’m sure someone could make an analytics metric if they wanted to, but I think to do it right, you’d need to watch the all-22 for every play, similar to what PFF does. I don’t think you could just process the game log through an algorithm as you wouldn’t really be able to detect missed penalties on one side vs called penalties on the other.

That said, the more resistant the league is to ensuring fair and accurate officiating on obvious blown calls, the more likely it is that the league itself is in favor of allowing games to be rigged.

[Chuckf]

There was the TD the Vikings scored up in Green Bay and when the scoring play was reviewed in New York they called OPI on Dalvin Cook and took the TD away even though no flag was thrown on the play.