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Tua - Flores is a "terrible person"
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Last season, Dolphins quarterback Tua Tagovailoa addressed the difference between coach Brian Flores and coach Mike McDaniel. Tua focused mainly on the fact that McDaniel allows Tua to be his true, authentic self.

Now, after Tua has fully proven his worth to the team with a new contract that pays more than $53 million per year in new money, he’s being far more blunt and candid in his assessment of his two NFL head coaches.

The comments were made to Dan LeBatard. Here they are.

“To put it in simplest terms, if you woke up every morning and I told you you suck at what you did, that you don’t belong doing what you do, that you shouldn’t be there, that this guy should be here, that you haven’t earned this right and then you have somebody else come in and tell you, ‘Dude, you are the best fit for this. Like, you are accurate, you are the best whatever, you are this, you are that,’” Tagovailoa said. “Like, how would it make you feel listening to one or the other? You see what I’m saying? And then you hear it, you hear it. Regardless of what it is, the good or the bad. And you hear it more and more, you start to actually believe that. I don’t care who you are. You could be the president of the United States. If you have a terrible person that’s telling you things you don’t want to hear, or that you probably shouldn’t be hearing, you’re gonna start to believe that about yourself.”
It’s not a surprise that Tua feels that way. It is surprising that he’d say it out loud.

[size=1]During the 2021 season, Flores was fixated on trading for Deshaun Watson. It nearly happened before the season started. It contributed, we heard at the time, to Tua’s decision to decline a captain designation as Week 1 approached. [/size]

[size=1]It hovered into the season. And the trade would have happened, if Watson had agreed to settle all pending civil lawsuits arising from allegations of sexual misconduct during massage therapy sessions. Then, once the trade deadline came and went without a deal for Watson, Tua started playing better.[/size]

[size=1]Of course, he hadn’t done enough to win over owner Stephen Ross, at least not yet. Ross wanted to swap out Flores and Tua for Sean Payton and Tom Brady, as the significant tampering penalties against Ross and his team proved conclusively.[/size]

[size=1]But then came McDaniel, in 2022. He opted for positive reinforcement, in lieu of the Belichickian beatdown that Flores apparently deployed. [/size]

[size=1]Here’s the reality. Belichick’s “you suck” approach only works with someone who is wired to respond properly to it. Brady was. Tua wasn’t. Aaron Rodgers, as we discussed last week on PFT Live, wouldn’t have been. Which suggests that Belichick wouldn’t have done it to Rodgers.[/size]

[size=1]Regardless, Tua has let loose on Flores, strongly implying when considering the full context that he believes Flores is a “terrible person.” It will be interesting to see if Flores has anything to say in response.[/size]

It also will be interesting to see whether Tua ends up being called as a witness in Flores’s lingering wrongful discharge case against the Dolphins, if/when the process ever moves away from square one.
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Sounds similar to what a couple players said about Zimmer after he was fired as HC.

I think in the new age NFL, guys like Mike McDaniels and Kevin O'Connell will be the new HC prototype. Smart, genuine dudes who can connect with players. The gruff, surly HCs like Belicheck, Parcells, etc of the past will be few and far between.

That said, I think Flores is fantastic coach. You don't get to where he is without being a smart, motivated person and a great teacher of men. His personality is what makes him a great DC and maybe not as strong of a HC. Hopefully he stays here in Minnesota for a long time.
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Some excerpts:

“To put it in simplest terms, if you woke up every morning and I told you you suck at what you did, that you don’t belong doing what you do, that you shouldn’t be there, that this guy should be here, that you haven’t earned this right and then you have somebody else come in and tell you, ‘Dude, you are the best fit for this. Like, you are accurate, you are the best whatever, you are this, you are that,’” Tagovailoa said. “Like, how would it make you feel listening to one or the other? You see what I’m saying? And then you hear it, you hear it. Regardless of what it is, the good or the bad. And you hear it more and more, you start to actually believe that. I don’t care who you are. You could be the president of the United States. If you have a terrible person that’s telling you things you don’t want to hear, or that you probably shouldn’t be hearing, you’re gonna start to believe that about yourself.
It’s not a surprise that Tua feels that way. It is surprising that he’d say it out loud."  - On the Dan Lebetard Show. 

Tua is an interesting guy, he's only 26 years old. He's tough, yet very delicate mentally at times. He had the thing going on with Hurts at Alabama. He has Tyreek Hill, that cures a lot of ills. I can tell you SoFlo is kind of split on the guy, he hasn't received universal endorsement from the fanbase like JJM will have. Tough love is not the way to go with Tua. McDaniels is better for his psyche. Having said that, I think Brian Flores is a MUCH better D-coordinator than HC. He's got some Zimmer to him. That works better on the defensive side. 

I just think an offensive minded head coach in the NFL is the better way to go for success. Especially if he's calling the plays. I like the setup in Minnesota very much.
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Every branch of the Belichick tree rots and falls off. They all try to be aholes like Bill and it doesn't work. They get run off after alienating everyone in the building.
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(08-19-2024, 09:54 AM)MAD GAINZ Wrote: Sounds similar to what a couple players said about Zimmer after he was fired as HC. 

I think in the new age NFL, guys like Mike McDaniels and Kevin O'Connell will be the new HC prototype.  Smart, genuine dudes who can connect with players.  The gruff, surly HCs like Belicheck, Parcells, etc of the past will be few and far between.

That said, I think Flores is fantastic coach.  You don't get to where he is without being a smart, motivated person and a great teacher of men.  His personality is what makes him a great DC and maybe not as strong of a HC.  Hopefully he stays here in Minnesota for a long time.

The irony is that what is bad for Flores is good for us. He's likely stuck as a DC for the remainder of his career. He seems to do that very well. Pay him well and he could be here for as long as we want him.
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(08-19-2024, 11:55 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: The irony is that what is bad for Flores is good for us. He's likely stuck as a DC for the remainder of his career. He seems to do that very well. Pay him well and he could be here for as long as we want him.

Exactly, if he continues to field defensive competency and is getting more out of his players than expected, then pay him like a HC, dont make it about money for him as far as looking for greener pastures, if you have an offensive HC, then overpay the defensive side of the ball and keep the continuity ( at least until he develops some assistants that seem capable of running the defense )
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Ryan Fitzpatrick slammed Flores last year in the same way, so there's some fire with that smoke. I'm sure Brian rubbed some people the wrong way in Miami.
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(08-19-2024, 02:55 PM)StickierBuns Wrote: Ryan Fitzpatrick slammed Flores last year in the same way, so there's some fire with that smoke. I'm sure Brian rubbed some people the wrong way in Miami.

Agree, there were a number of reports about Flores having a huge ego and the way he treated players and other personnel. There was also his lawsuit, which I thought was pretty ridiculous.  I was very opposed to the hire, but have to say he has seemed like a very down to earth and gracious guy since he has been here, so hopefully it was a learning experience for him and he has changed the way he interacts with others.
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Generally speaking, the offensive players are going to need the more relatable or connected coaches. A touch of positivity is important. The defensive players don't need the same approach. They like the positivity but just do the work. They are more thick skinned I think
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