Trevor Lawrence gets paid

[StickierBuns]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/trevo...to-career/

[MaroonBells]

Think NFL players are overpaid? I still remember Larry Bird's ridiculous 5 year, $25M contract in the 80s. I thought 5 million each and every year?!! Madness.  

Chris Haynes@ChrisBHaynes
BREAKING: Boston Celtics and star Jayson Tatum have reached an agreement on a five-year, $315M supermax extension with a player option that is the largest contract in NBA history, league sources tell @NBAonTNT.

[purplefaithful]

Think NFL players are overpaid? I still remember Larry Bird's ridiculous 5 year, $25M contract in the 80s. I thought 5 million each and every year?!! Madness.  

Chris Haynes@ChrisBHaynes
BREAKING: Boston Celtics and star Jayson Tatum have reached an agreement on a five-year, $315M supermax extension with a player option that is the largest contract in NBA history, league sources tell @NBAonTNT.

MLB is crazy too...

[medaille]

While there is a contingent of people that don't like athletes playing a game getting paid a lot of money, most people here are just talking about not paying midlevel QBs because it inhibits our ability to pay other players and maximize the talent on our roster.

[MaroonBells]

While there is a contingent of people that don't like athletes playing a game getting paid a lot of money, most people here are just talking about not paying midlevel QBs because it inhibits our ability to pay other players and maximize the talent on our roster.

...says every fan ever. But if all 32 teams are in the same boat, and they are, doesn't it make that fact irrelevant? 

For example, if in 4 years McCarthy is a promising mid-level QB, he's going to get paid. And like all players, he'll be paid based on what they expect him to do in the future more than what he's done up to that point. And, yes, like all other teams with an expensive QB, that will inhibit what we can spend on the roster around him. But if we don't pay him, another team will, and we'll start over at QB.

Some have mentioned a QB salary cap, but how would that help anyone but the owners, who are already making absurd amounts of money regardless of how much they pay their QB? Those big QB contracts are afforded using dollars saved in the dwindling contracts of other positions, particularly RB. The owners see to that. They are the one constant in all of this: no matter what, they always get paid. 

Ever notice that nobody ever bitches about what the owners get paid, via massive revenue from TV contracts, ticket sales, $16 beers, etc? And that doesn't even include the valuation of the team itself. The Wilfs bought the Vikings for $600M. The team's value is now is nearly $5 billion. Wish I got that kind of ROI on my investments!

The only way to get an advantage over other teams is to draft a QB who can win you a championship on his rookie deal. No easy task, but that's why teams will move heaven and earth, often mortgaging their future, to get in position to draft one.

[medaille]

...says every fan ever. But if all 32 teams are in the same boat, and they are, doesn't it make that fact irrelevant? 

For example, if in 4 years McCarthy is a promising mid-level QB, he's going to get paid. And like all players, he'll be paid based on what they expect him to do in the future more than what he's done up to that point. And, yes, like all other teams with an expensive QB, that will inhibit what we can spend on the roster around him. But if we don't pay him, another team will, and we'll start over at QB.

Some have mentioned a QB salary cap, but how would that help anyone but the owners, who are already making absurd amounts of money regardless of how much they pay their QB? Those big QB contracts are afforded using dollars saved in the dwindling contracts of other positions, particularly RB. The owners see to that. They are the one constant in all of this: no matter what, they always get paid. 

Ever notice that nobody ever bitches about what the owners get paid, via massive revenue from TV contracts, ticket sales, $16 beers, etc? And that doesn't even include the valuation of the team itself. The Wilfs bought the Vikings for $600M. The team's value is now is nearly $5 billion. Wish I got that kind of ROI on my investments!

The only way to get an advantage over other teams is to draft a QB who can win you a championship on his rookie deal. No easy task, but that's why teams will move heaven and earth, often mortgaging their future, to get in position to draft one.

In 4 years, you’re going to know if he’s elite-ish or not elite.  Especially with our supporting cast, the elite guys are going to shine or they aren’t.  There’s no such thing as a promising QB going into their 5th season.  Sure maybe they haven’t already been to a SB yet, but you sure as shit know if they’re shining like the great ones.  If you don’t have an elite QB, your odds of winning a SB are almost zero.  The 3-5 teams with an elite QB (warning:  BS numbers ahead) probably have 80% chance that one of them is winning the SB.  The other 27-29 teams are sharing that other 20%.  Sure a team like the Rams can mortgage their future, go all in, remain injury-free, and it can work out, but that’s not a likely strategy.
 
You keep phrasing things as if the only option is to draft one and only one QB and then wait 4-5 years and at that point, if he’s mid you’re forced to make a choice out of desperation on whether to keep your mid QB for a ton of money or hope that a new savior is there to be picked.
 
Do you know who didn’t mortgage the future to get their QBs?  The teams that drafted Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Wilson, Lamar Jackson, Hurt, Brees, Favre, etc.  Obviously, some of those guys went on to become more successful after a trade, but elite QBs are available at any draft pick, you just have to have the stones to pick them when they are available.  They’re probably not going to be available the one year you desperately need a QB, you have to be willing to draft them when they’re available, not when you need them.  The worst case scenario of drafting a good QB is that you can trade them for more than you paid to get them.  The worst case scenario is that you draft a bust, but you can draft a bust at any position.  But you probably aren’t going to a SB if you don’t draft an elite QB, so you just have to decide if you want the process of drafting that elite QB to take 10-15 years or 45 years.

In 4 years, if we haven't made it to the NFC championship at least or if JJM isn't in the MVP talks, we should be starting the QB we drafted in 2026, and cutting bait on our mid-QB.

[StickierBuns]

In 4 years, you’re going to know if he’s elite-ish or not elite.  Especially with our supporting cast, the elite guys are going to shine or they aren’t.  There’s no such thing as a promising QB going into their 5th season.  Sure maybe they haven’t already been to a SB yet, but you sure as shit know if they’re shining like the great ones.  If you don’t have an elite QB, your odds of winning a SB are almost zero.  The 3-5 teams with an elite QB (warning:  BS numbers ahead) probably have 80% chance that one of them is winning the SB.  The other 27-29 teams are sharing that other 20%.  Sure a team like the Rams can mortgage their future, go all in, remain injury-free, and it can work out, but that’s not a likely strategy.
 
You keep phrasing things as if the only option is to draft one and only one QB and then wait 4-5 years and at that point, if he’s mid you’re forced to make a choice out of desperation on whether to keep your mid QB for a ton of money or hope that a new savior is there to be picked.
 
Do you know who didn’t mortgage the future to get their QBs?  The teams that drafted Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Wilson, Lamar Jackson, Hurt, Brees, Favre, etc.  Obviously, some of those guys went on to become more successful after a trade, but elite QBs are available at any draft pick, you just have to have the stones to pick them when they are available.  They’re probably not going to be available the one year you desperately need a QB, you have to be willing to draft them when they’re available, not when you need them.  The worst case scenario of drafting a good QB is that you can trade them for more than you paid to get them.  The worst case scenario is that you draft a bust, but you can draft a bust at any position.  But you probably aren’t going to a SB if you don’t draft an elite QB, so you just have to decide if you want the process of drafting that elite QB to take 10-15 years or 45 years.

In 4 years, if we haven't made it to the NFC championship at least or if JJM isn't in the MVP talks, we should be starting the QB we drafted in 2026, and cutting bait on our mid-QB.

I think you are seeing a bit more of your mindset here with teams ready to move on from #1 drafted QBs quicker than ever in NFL history the last 6 or 7 years. Kind of the no more 'good money after bad' theory. I think some teams are realizing, after getting kicked in the nuts time after time, more investment and patience should come on the front end of the rookie QB curve....but some teams will never learn. Mostly because some organizations are better run than others, just like any large corporation. Put an assessment in place in-house to determine WHEN a rookie is ready to play, despite the current situation with the franchise. Don't act desperately or reactively. Also put in KPIs that show WHEN you should cut bait, along with intangibles that are red flags when you get to know them better as players on your team. Assign a point system to the KPIs, keep it a fluid document, and you'll have data and metrics to help make important decisions on the most important position in sports. But there will have to be some exceptions, like Trevor Lawrence. Because what is he and what can he be? There will be some gray areas, it won't all be black and white.

[MaroonBells]

In 4 years, you’re going to know if he’s elite-ish or not elite.  Especially with our supporting cast, the elite guys are going to shine or they aren’t.  There’s no such thing as a promising QB going into their 5th season.  Sure maybe they haven’t already been to a SB yet, but you sure as shit know if they’re shining like the great ones.  If you don’t have an elite QB, your odds of winning a SB are almost zero.  

What about Trevor Lawrence? I actually think he's the perfect example of what we're both talking about. Is he elite? Is he promising? Was he worthy of his new contract?

[StickierBuns]

Case in point that there are gray areas, details and inside information to these decisions. Its easy for fans to make blanket statements and be judgmental:

https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/statu...3402943838

[JimmyinSD]

What about Trevor Lawrence? I actually think he's the perfect example of what we're both talking about. Is he elite? Is he promising? Was he worthy of his new contract?

No
Maybe
No