Quote: @Knucklehead said:
@ Zanary said:
I can't see burning a first for Penix, with his injury history. He's a good kid, practically a hero up here, but I'd be as worried about him as I was about Teddy's knees after 2016.
It looks like you've seen more of Penix than just about anyone on this board. Besides his injury history, another concern that I have is his intermediate passing game. Intermediate passes are a staple in KOCs offense & I didn't see a lot of intermediate passes in the UW games that I watched.
Man I tell ya, his vids are full of intermediate pinpoint passes. Keep him clean and he will ruin ya.
Quote: @Bullazin said:
@ Knucklehead said:
@ Zanary said:
I can't see burning a first for Penix, with his injury history. He's a good kid, practically a hero up here, but I'd be as worried about him as I was about Teddy's knees after 2016.
It looks like you've seen more of Penix than just about anyone on this board. Besides his injury history, another concern that I have is his intermediate passing game. Intermediate passes are a staple in KOCs offense & I didn't see a lot of intermediate passes in the UW games that I watched.
Man I tell ya, his vids are full of intermediate pinpoint passes. Keep him clean and he will ruin ya.
He's got a big arm as well.
Quote: @Bullazin said:
@ Knucklehead said:
@ Zanary said:
I can't see burning a first for Penix, with his injury history. He's a good kid, practically a hero up here, but I'd be as worried about him as I was about Teddy's knees after 2016.
It looks like you've seen more of Penix than just about anyone on this board. Besides his injury history, another concern that I have is his intermediate passing game. Intermediate passes are a staple in KOCs offense & I didn't see a lot of intermediate passes in the UW games that I watched.
Man I tell ya, his vids are full of intermediate pinpoint passes. Keep him clean and he will ruin ya.
that would be my biggest concern with taking Penix, not his injury history, its the keep him clean part, our OL is suspect until it proves otherwise and I wouldnt want to depend on them to keep him clean.
Here's my exact thinking where he's concerned:
Brilliant if he can be kept clean...up to a point, Michigan exposed him a bit.
BUT...even improving last season, keeping QBs clean hasn't been a strength, really, for a long time.
Quote: @Zanary said:
Here's my exact thinking where he's concerned:
Brilliant if he can be kept clean...up to a point, Michigan exposed him a bit.
BUT...even improving last season, keeping QBs clean hasn't been a strength, really, for a long time.
he wasnt kept clean against Michigan.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Zanary said:
Here's my exact thinking where he's concerned:
Brilliant if he can be kept clean...up to a point, Michigan exposed him a bit.
BUT...even improving last season, keeping QBs clean hasn't been a strength, really, for a long time.
he wasnt kept clean against Michigan.
We don't keep QBs clean. We're better, but "good" is still ahead.
Just like Darnold, he could be an amazing redemption story, a "came back from (injuries, instead of bad showings with bad teams)" kind of thing, and I'd be thrilled...but, until then...I'd be watching him the way I watched Teddy's knees after his injury, regardless who he was playing for.
We just saw a guy that was typically the most hit and/or sacked QB in the league leave our team...and he was freakishly able to avoid injury for most of his career. Our o-line, with a kid who's already been on the table a bunch, is worrisome.
Quote: @Zanary said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Zanary said:
Here's my exact thinking where he's concerned:
Brilliant if he can be kept clean...up to a point, Michigan exposed him a bit.
BUT...even improving last season, keeping QBs clean hasn't been a strength, really, for a long time.
he wasnt kept clean against Michigan.
We don't keep QBs clean. We're better, but "good" is still ahead.
Just like Darnold, he could be an amazing redemption story, a "came back from (injuries, instead of bad showings with bad teams)" kind of thing, and I'd be thrilled...but, until then...I'd be watching him the way I watched Teddy's knees after his injury, regardless who he was playing for.
We just saw a guy that was typically the most hit and/or sacked QB in the league leave our team...and he was freakishly able to avoid injury for most of his career. Our o-line, with a kid who's already been on the table a bunch, is worrisome.
All that is not lost on me, he's my favorite of the QBs this year, but our OL has me hoping we go Nix, I would hate to see the kids career ruined because of our most glaring defiency.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Zanary said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Zanary said:
Here's my exact thinking where he's concerned:
Brilliant if he can be kept clean...up to a point, Michigan exposed him a bit.
BUT...even improving last season, keeping QBs clean hasn't been a strength, really, for a long time.
he wasnt kept clean against Michigan.
We don't keep QBs clean. We're better, but "good" is still ahead.
Just like Darnold, he could be an amazing redemption story, a "came back from (injuries, instead of bad showings with bad teams)" kind of thing, and I'd be thrilled...but, until then...I'd be watching him the way I watched Teddy's knees after his injury, regardless who he was playing for.
We just saw a guy that was typically the most hit and/or sacked QB in the league leave our team...and he was freakishly able to avoid injury for most of his career. Our o-line, with a kid who's already been on the table a bunch, is worrisome.
All that is not lost on me, he's my favorite of the QBs this year, but our OL has me hoping we go Nix, I would hate to see the kids career ruined because of our most glaring defiency.
Precisely.
Our o-line issues over the past decade-plus have had me truly frustrated with the team. I will insist to my dying breath that the combination of the line and the loss of Percy were dual nails in Ponder's coffin, because he actually was in some favorable territory in 2012 before his arm injury...including most efficient red zone QB, IIRC. After that, I plainly recall analysts showing that he regularly had less than 2 seconds from the snap before getting mauled, and...well, we broke him. He wasn't great, but we stunted his growth badly.
The line didn't get better under Zimmer, though OC Shurmur was able to utilize personnel and playcalling enough to get it up to mid-pack...and that helped build the Case Keenum mythology as much as anything else did. Sadly, with Shurmur went the brief period of mediocrity; the line was rated back in the high 20s just in time for our infamously expensive QB.
It remained that way until last season, when some players finally got better...including Ingram, who I thought was a complete dumpster fire. The coaches are coaches for reasons.
I have a ton of concerns for this season, mostly around the offense and how it'll fare with a very solid QB gone. As I said above, if Darnold turns out to just need a new home with better receivers, etc...GREAT, everybody wins. Similarly, if we get Penix and he's become a toughened scar tissue and what-not...cool. I'll always be shouting and pounding tables for the QB in our uniform.
I just want the team to address as many issues as it can manage before OTAs start. This season is maybe the most telling of who/what we've gotten in the KAM/KOC partnership.
Penix sure looked good in the CFP (and the two games against Oregon), until he got to the Finals, when he fell apart playing Michigan.
However, if you compare his entire body of work for the season, he's not nearly as accurate as Bo Nix. - His completion rate for the entire season was @65%. vs Bo Nix at an NCAA record 77.4%
- His TD/INT ratio was 36/11 vs. Bo Nix at 45/3
- He rushed for 8 yards TOTAL vs. Bo Nix at 234 yards (with a 4.3 Avg YPC)...but he rushed for 510 yards the season prior, a 6.8 YPC avg!
- Penix had 2 fumbles vs. Bo Nix had zero fumbles the last two seasons at Oregon.
- Penix started 21 games at Indiana over a 4 year period, never more than 7 games in a season due to injuries (with a 59.4% completion rate at IU)
- By comparison, Bo Nix is a bit of an ironman, with his NCAA record 61 games started.
- Penix was sacked 5x last season, 8x the year before. Bo Nix was sacked 5 times each of the past two years.
Pundits talk about Penix's long yardage dimes and poo-poo the short passing Oregon game.
One of KOC's oft-repeated mantras is taking care of the football. He's stated that he is looking for passing accuracy and not turning the ball over (yeah, things do happen), but if I am looking at the body of work with those two driving characteristics, I think Bo Nix gets the priority grade ahead of Penix.
I am hearing from my Bronco fan friends that they are hoping Nix falls to them at #12.
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