Honest question- Is Darnold gonna get the whole Welcome To the Team media circus a new starting QB typically gets or is KAM just gonna shuffle him in the back door?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ Zanary said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
@ HappyViking said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ HappyViking said:
Are the other NFCN teams paying Kwesi's salary by any chance? It almost
seems intentional how he's making this roster crappier each off-season and void of any rational winning team plan.
Looks bleak right now, but you can see they are signing FAs. If they can hit on a QB in this Draft they like, its a plan that would be considered coming together. KAM needed some flexibility from the cap, that's what he worked toward each year....getting out of the cap hole. They'll have a shitload of cap room next year. They tried to resign Cousins.....are we going to blame KAM for not matching a 4 year contract with the guarantees Atlanta put in there? Not with a straight face. I don't entirely blame KAM for not signing Cousins. Actually, I now
hope Cousins falls flat on his dorky face in Atlanta. The fact that KAM
doesn't have a reasonable succession plan for QB in year three of his
"rebuild" is his fault, however. Did the Vikes believe Cousins when he
said he wanted to stay a Viking? Seems like they did, but Kirk showed
them he only wanted to stay a Viking if they gave him the most
guaranteed money.I guess I blame Kwesi and Kirk equally.
Kwesi has egg on his face (again) while "gosh, gee, golly good guy" Kirk is flipping him "the bird"
on his way to the Falcons. The Vikes don't have a QB now, and everyone here knows they won't come close to playoffs without one. They went from having the best NFCN QB to the worst in year 3 of Kwesi's rebuild.
Kirk Cousins, a guy with young kids, asked for something absolutely crazy and selfish to many Vikings fans. He asked for clarity and peace regarding the last years of his career. For some crazy reason, he didn’t want to wind up a journeyman QB having to constantly move around on one year contracts while his kids grow up. Yep, how selfish of him to not go along with Kwesi’s plan to dump him for a rookie contract as soon as possible.
The Vikings could have easily matched the contract of the Falcons, but they would have actually committed to something and Kwesi didn’t want to. He probably saw it as too risky. So they parted ways.
Kirk Cousins was a standup guy every second he was here. When he was treated like hot garbage by Zimmer despite performing well, he didn’t say a word. He just kept upholding his end of the deal with continuous great performances despite a horrendous line the front office couldn’t find a fix for.
Cousins took LESS MONEY than his market value the past couple of years so the team could get better defense. That’s how he ended up paid 15th in the league despite being a top 5 performer.
This team has been subpar because of poor drafting, not Kirk Cousins. Had they hit on even a few defenders in round 1-3 the past 6 years this was a top 5 team and competitive for a Superbowl. They hit on basically no one. Kirk Cousins didn’t do that. Kirk Cousins didn’t push dead money into this year. KAM did that. He didn’t sign free agencts and didn’t draft poorly. Cousins had zero control over this roster and why its been a struggle. He did everything he could on his end and did it well.
Kirk Cousins has done zip wrong. He’s still paid around 8th in the league - his market contract based upon his performance. The Vikings wouldn’t give him any stability and that was their choice, not Kirk’s.
Dude. I loved Kirko. But he won 1 playoff game. Minnesota has JJ, Darrisaw, etc. up for big contracts. They need help on D. The organization rightly didn't want to sign a 36 year old coming off Achilles surgery to a 4 year contract loaded with guarantees. If you want to live in the fantasy land that they can afford everything and anything, I can't stop your delusion.
I also think Kirk did zero wrong. But he shouldn't be a Viking for what Atlanta offered him.
"He won 1 playoff game"
He was notoriously horribly protected, while deep playoff teams tend to have top-5 lines (KC #5, Philly #1, etc). The TEAM failed to get the IOL shored up until...hell, half of last season.
As much as people talk about how good our D was rated in 2018, the team was obviously not right, overall, and Zimmer's defensive "brilliance" failed to create a single real starting CB after Rhodes. Waynes, Hughes, Dantzler...and let's not forget the complete dumpster fire of Breeland, who Zimmer insisted on starting as he lost us games.
After 2019, and that "one playoff win" which was followed by a trench humiliation at the hands of SF, our defense would be rated in the 30s for 3 straight seasons while our IOL was still barely rated better. How does that TEAM go for championships?
This is why I'm sad to see Cousins go, but almost relieved for him: the absolute babbling BS that HE failed to win more playoff games when the team, the coaching, and other areas were still needing addressing as well...it's just been a special kind of disgusting. After years and years of fragile/weak QBs, we get one that genuinely produces at a high level and many fans forget 52 other players plus the coaches.
And after all your outrage and blather.....he's still won one playoff game in Minnesota. This is the last time I'm going to mention how much I'm a fan of Kirko Chainz. I wanted him back and I've defended him constantly on this board in the past.
You're relieved for him?? lol, yeah the poor guy was so persecuted in Minnesota (eye roll). He was beloved on the team and got one of the loudest ovations ever blowing the Gjallarhorn last season. Save your melodrama and tears for Kirko, he's fine. I'll be rooting for him in Atlanta.
And he was the highest paid QB in the league the first 4 or 5 years he played in purple. Really not understanding the poor Kirk angle by some.
He has never been the highest paid QB.
2018: 3rd
2019: 7th
2020: 5th
2021: 8th
2022: 10th
2023: 15th
It was cumulative over that time period. something I heard on PAs show and looked it up at the time and it was legit.
That had to do with his longevity, actually.
Most of his peers had fallen by the wayside, whereas the kids that followed him were on rookie deals during most of that time.
I saw the same thing, and if you look at the years...only a few veteran QBs were still in "peak earning" windows while Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, etc were mostly "cheap" during that time.
It's not inaccurate, but it's a bit misleading. Start that over in 2021 or 2022, when the new crops' contracts come in, and the story changes.
Quote: @Zanary said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ Zanary said:
And after all your outrage and blather.....he's still won one playoff game in Minnesota. This is the last time I'm going to mention how much I'm a fan of Kirko Chainz. I wanted him back and I've defended him constantly on this board in the past.
You're relieved for him?? lol, yeah the poor guy was so persecuted in Minnesota (eye roll). He was beloved on the team and got one of the loudest ovations ever blowing the Gjallarhorn last season. Save your melodrama and tears for Kirko, he's fine. I'll be rooting for him in Atlanta.
And he was the highest paid QB in the league the first 4 or 5 years he played in purple. Really not understanding the poor Kirk angle by some.
He has never been the highest paid QB.
2018: 3rd
2019: 7th
2020: 5th
2021: 8th
2022: 10th
2023: 15th
It was cumulative over that time period. something I heard on PAs show and looked it up at the time and it was legit.
That had to do with his longevity, actually.
Most of his peers had fallen by the wayside, whereas the kids that followed him were on rookie deals during most of that time.
I saw the same thing, and if you look at the years...only a few veteran QBs were still in "peak earning" windows while Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, etc were mostly "cheap" during that time.
It's not inaccurate, but it's a bit misleading. Start that over in 2021 or 2022, when the new crops' contracts come in, and the story changes.
point is he was the highest paid over half a decade and has made over 1/4 a billion dollars in the league, the poor kirk angle is pretty foolish.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ Zanary said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
@ HappyViking said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ HappyViking said:
Are the other NFCN teams paying Kwesi's salary by any chance? It almost
seems intentional how he's making this roster crappier each off-season and void of any rational winning team plan.
Looks bleak right now, but you can see they are signing FAs. If they can hit on a QB in this Draft they like, its a plan that would be considered coming together. KAM needed some flexibility from the cap, that's what he worked toward each year....getting out of the cap hole. They'll have a shitload of cap room next year. They tried to resign Cousins.....are we going to blame KAM for not matching a 4 year contract with the guarantees Atlanta put in there? Not with a straight face. I don't entirely blame KAM for not signing Cousins. Actually, I now
hope Cousins falls flat on his dorky face in Atlanta. The fact that KAM
doesn't have a reasonable succession plan for QB in year three of his
"rebuild" is his fault, however. Did the Vikes believe Cousins when he
said he wanted to stay a Viking? Seems like they did, but Kirk showed
them he only wanted to stay a Viking if they gave him the most
guaranteed money.I guess I blame Kwesi and Kirk equally.
Kwesi has egg on his face (again) while "gosh, gee, golly good guy" Kirk is flipping him "the bird"
on his way to the Falcons. The Vikes don't have a QB now, and everyone here knows they won't come close to playoffs without one. They went from having the best NFCN QB to the worst in year 3 of Kwesi's rebuild.
Kirk Cousins, a guy with young kids, asked for something absolutely crazy and selfish to many Vikings fans. He asked for clarity and peace regarding the last years of his career. For some crazy reason, he didn’t want to wind up a journeyman QB having to constantly move around on one year contracts while his kids grow up. Yep, how selfish of him to not go along with Kwesi’s plan to dump him for a rookie contract as soon as possible.
The Vikings could have easily matched the contract of the Falcons, but they would have actually committed to something and Kwesi didn’t want to. He probably saw it as too risky. So they parted ways.
Kirk Cousins was a standup guy every second he was here. When he was treated like hot garbage by Zimmer despite performing well, he didn’t say a word. He just kept upholding his end of the deal with continuous great performances despite a horrendous line the front office couldn’t find a fix for.
Cousins took LESS MONEY than his market value the past couple of years so the team could get better defense. That’s how he ended up paid 15th in the league despite being a top 5 performer.
This team has been subpar because of poor drafting, not Kirk Cousins. Had they hit on even a few defenders in round 1-3 the past 6 years this was a top 5 team and competitive for a Superbowl. They hit on basically no one. Kirk Cousins didn’t do that. Kirk Cousins didn’t push dead money into this year. KAM did that. He didn’t sign free agencts and didn’t draft poorly. Cousins had zero control over this roster and why its been a struggle. He did everything he could on his end and did it well.
Kirk Cousins has done zip wrong. He’s still paid around 8th in the league - his market contract based upon his performance. The Vikings wouldn’t give him any stability and that was their choice, not Kirk’s.
Dude. I loved Kirko. But he won 1 playoff game. Minnesota has JJ, Darrisaw, etc. up for big contracts. They need help on D. The organization rightly didn't want to sign a 36 year old coming off Achilles surgery to a 4 year contract loaded with guarantees. If you want to live in the fantasy land that they can afford everything and anything, I can't stop your delusion.
I also think Kirk did zero wrong. But he shouldn't be a Viking for what Atlanta offered him.
"He won 1 playoff game"
He was notoriously horribly protected, while deep playoff teams tend to have top-5 lines (KC #5, Philly #1, etc). The TEAM failed to get the IOL shored up until...hell, half of last season.
As much as people talk about how good our D was rated in 2018, the team was obviously not right, overall, and Zimmer's defensive "brilliance" failed to create a single real starting CB after Rhodes. Waynes, Hughes, Dantzler...and let's not forget the complete dumpster fire of Breeland, who Zimmer insisted on starting as he lost us games.
After 2019, and that "one playoff win" which was followed by a trench humiliation at the hands of SF, our defense would be rated in the 30s for 3 straight seasons while our IOL was still barely rated better. How does that TEAM go for championships?
This is why I'm sad to see Cousins go, but almost relieved for him: the absolute babbling BS that HE failed to win more playoff games when the team, the coaching, and other areas were still needing addressing as well...it's just been a special kind of disgusting. After years and years of fragile/weak QBs, we get one that genuinely produces at a high level and many fans forget 52 other players plus the coaches.
And after all your outrage and blather.....he's still won one playoff game in Minnesota. This is the last time I'm going to mention how much I'm a fan of Kirko Chainz. I wanted him back and I've defended him constantly on this board in the past.
You're relieved for him?? lol, yeah the poor guy was so persecuted in Minnesota (eye roll). He was beloved on the team and got one of the loudest ovations ever blowing the Gjallarhorn last season. Save your melodrama and tears for Kirko, he's fine. I'll be rooting for him in Atlanta.
And he was the highest paid QB in the league the first 4 or 5 years he played in purple. Really not understanding the poor Kirk angle by some.
He has never been the highest paid QB.
2018: 3rd
2019: 7th
2020: 5th
2021: 8th
2022: 10th
2023: 15th
It was cumulative over that time period. something I heard on PAs show and looked it up at the time and it was legit.
You may want to go back and check your math, whether it is 4 or 5 years both Aaron and Russ made more cumulative.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Zanary said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ Zanary said:
And after all your outrage and blather.....he's still won one playoff game in Minnesota. This is the last time I'm going to mention how much I'm a fan of Kirko Chainz. I wanted him back and I've defended him constantly on this board in the past.
You're relieved for him?? lol, yeah the poor guy was so persecuted in Minnesota (eye roll). He was beloved on the team and got one of the loudest ovations ever blowing the Gjallarhorn last season. Save your melodrama and tears for Kirko, he's fine. I'll be rooting for him in Atlanta.
And he was the highest paid QB in the league the first 4 or 5 years he played in purple. Really not understanding the poor Kirk angle by some.
He has never been the highest paid QB.
2018: 3rd
2019: 7th
2020: 5th
2021: 8th
2022: 10th
2023: 15th
It was cumulative over that time period. something I heard on PAs show and looked it up at the time and it was legit.
That had to do with his longevity, actually.
Most of his peers had fallen by the wayside, whereas the kids that followed him were on rookie deals during most of that time.
I saw the same thing, and if you look at the years...only a few veteran QBs were still in "peak earning" windows while Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, etc were mostly "cheap" during that time.
It's not inaccurate, but it's a bit misleading. Start that over in 2021 or 2022, when the new crops' contracts come in, and the story changes.
point is he was the highest paid over half a decade and has made over 1/4 a billion dollars in the league, the poor kirk angle is pretty foolish.
There's more than money in life. He was, by tangible ratings, one of the most abused QBs in the league, year after year after year...and that was with a chunk of the fan base also treating him like a combination bank robber and drooling incompetent because he'd been on the team for more than 5 seconds and we didn't have 7 Lombardis, yet.
I've seen plenty of bubbling vitriol from our fan base over the years, but wow...even when you show the line ratings, and the defensive ratings for most of that time, half or more of the team playing poorly is just "excuses"....
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Honest question- Is Darnold gonna get the whole Welcome To the Team media circus a new starting QB typically gets or is KAM just gonna shuffle him in the back door?
They'll be doing him a favor to avoid the circus. Dude is gonna get absolutely ROASTED by fans if they do.
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@ mgobluevikes said:
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@ mgobluevikes said:
@ Montana Tom said:
I had a deep conversation with a friend who played for USC and is a big Trojans fan. He said that at USC, Sam Darnold was big, athletic, did not get flustered, good arm, mentally strong. All positives that should have translated to success in the NFL. However, his growth got stunted at the Jets and then again at Carolina. I may have judged this move prematurely.
The problem is that no QB that I'm aware of, whose first multiple years have been stunted at the NFL level, has been coached back to achieve his potential. The USC QB hype is legendary Sanchez, Leinart, Darnold.
No way he achieves the potential he had when the Jets drafted him 3rd overall. That ship has sailed. However, I think he'll play better in our offense than he's played to date.
That bar is very low. The very reasonable concern is whether that "better" play is starter caliber play.
He's going to be our Jim Plunkett.
LMAO...I hope your right. I won't be holding my breath...but you never know!
Quote: @CFIAvike said:
@ pattersaur said:
Honest question- Is Darnold gonna get the whole Welcome To the Team media circus a new starting QB typically gets or is KAM just gonna shuffle him in the back door?
They'll be doing him a favor to avoid the circus. Dude is gonna get absolutely ROASTED by fans if they do.
You must be unfamiliar with "Minnesota Nice"
Quote: @Knucklehead said:
@ CFIAvike said:
@ pattersaur said:
Honest question- Is Darnold gonna get the whole Welcome To the Team media circus a new starting QB typically gets or is KAM just gonna shuffle him in the back door?
They'll be doing him a favor to avoid the circus. Dude is gonna get absolutely ROASTED by fans if they do.
You must be unfamiliar with "Minnesota Nice"
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I think that myth was busted during the Ponder era.
Quote: @kmillard said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ Montana Tom said:
I had a deep conversation with a friend who played for USC and is a big Trojans fan. He said that at USC, Sam Darnold was big, athletic, did not get flustered, good arm, mentally strong. All positives that should have translated to success in the NFL. However, his growth got stunted at the Jets and then again at Carolina. I may have judged this move prematurely.
The problem is that no QB that I'm aware of, whose first multiple years have been stunted at the NFL level, has been coached back to achieve his potential. The USC QB hype is legendary Sanchez, Leinart, Darnold.
No way he achieves the potential he had when the Jets drafted him 3rd overall. That ship has sailed. However, I think he'll play better in our offense than he's played to date.
That bar is very low. The very reasonable concern is whether that "better" play is starter caliber play.
He's going to be our Jim Plunkett.
I'm hopeful. One thiabout Darnold that's been consistent throughout his career is that he throws a lot of INT's. The infamous "seeing ghosts" game still makes me wonder if he ever recovered from that and the shit teams he was on prior to last season. It's going to be the reclamation project of all reclamation projects if KOC can get him playing upper echelon football
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