Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
If Cousins signs with the Falcons, who have an offense that appears to be a QB away, and he takes that team deep into the playoffs, while the Vikings draft the next Bryce Young, Zach Wilson, Trubisky, Rosen or Lance, there is going to be a lot of egg on the face of this organization.
Why would there be egg? Atlanta is supposedly where we were when we signed Cousins, ( look how that turned out with him) our team needs large talent infusions at many positions before being a true contender, which can take several offseasons.
Sure some will say it could have been us, but they are likely wrong if the stared scenario were to play out. Kirk didn't make the difference for the Vikings, and he likely wouldn't be the deciding factor for the Falcons. Not to mention, what about the excuse of him not getting ot done due to having to learn a new system with a new OC?
If they want to over pay, that's the game, and maybe they have a great season, but it would be naive to say it could have been the Viikings if they had only paid more when there is so much more to fix here.
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The Vikings offensive line when Kirk was signed was atrocious. It went: Reiff, Compton, Elflein, Remmers and Rashod Hill. From the fairly average 2017 line, we'd lost our best offensive lineman (Joe Berger) to retirement, Nick Easton to a season ending injury and Remmers to an ill-advised move to RG. We started to rebuild our line that year, but then the defense started to falter, finishing 27th, 30th and 31st over the next three seasons. The line is now complete and BFlo improved the defense from 31st to 12th. Suffice to say, both of these teams are contenders with Cousins at QB. Neither is without him.
But if you think everything's going to be hunky dory in Minnyland if Cousins turns the Falcons into a contender (he will) while the Vikings slag through the next Trey Lance or a Zach Wilson, you're being naive. There will be Wilves at the door.
the general notion when we signed Kirk was that Keenum was the problem ( (I argued against signing Kirk then for the same reasons I do now, we dont have the OL for an immobile QB like Cousins ) I know the OL was an issue back then, just like I know it is now, and my arguments havent changed because we now have a 2nd GM and Coach that fail to see that the game is won from the trenches and paying big money to a statue pocket passer with a shit IOL is just pissing money down their legs.
as far as wolves at the door, they should be in the fucking house since kirks been here 6 years, we still have IOL issues, except now the rest of the roster ( minus WR ) has gone to shit, and we are much further from competing for a Lombardi than we were when we signed him. Adding Kirk fixed nothing and changed nothing except his bank account. we still need to fix the OL and we still need to be shopping for a QB.
"the line is now complete" are you fucking kidding me? Are you still of the notion that Bradbury is a competent NFL center? We need a new center and likely at least 1 new OG, the line is far from complete, especially when they will need continuity time to really see if they are worth a shit as a unity.
The line was complete two years ago, when every player on it was under 26 and taken in the 1st or 2nd round. Good, bad or otherwise, that’s a rebuild. Now, obviously, not every draft pick in a rebuild is going to be 100% successful. But it’s also obvious that our line is quite a bit better than you think it is. I know you don’t trust PFF but they also ranked top 10 by ESPN, SIS, PFN and Player Profiler, among others.
Either way, the line improved a lot over the last two years, and it’s a helluva lot better than it was in 2018. But as I’ve said before, I think there’s an even chance we release Bradbury and try to upgrade the center position. For whatever reason—maybe the QB rotation, maybe his back—he was a top 10 center the first half of the season and a bottom 10 center the second half of the season.
But even you can’t possibly believe the Vikings would’ve missed the playoffs with a healthy Kirk Cousins, considering he was the NFL’s leading passer at the time and they had just beaten the 49ers and Packers without Justin Jefferson.
I don't give a crap about sneaking into the playoffs, this team was not going to compete, even with Cousins, with our IOL.
And simply having bodies at positions does not make the line complete. This OL, specifically the 3 interior positions are not good, certainly not good enough to win multiple playoff games.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
If Cousins signs with the Falcons, who have an offense that appears to be a QB away, and he takes that team deep into the playoffs, while the Vikings draft the next Bryce Young, Zach Wilson, Trubisky, Rosen or Lance, there is going to be a lot of egg on the face of this organization.
Why would there be egg? Atlanta is supposedly where we were when we signed Cousins, ( look how that turned out with him) our team needs large talent infusions at many positions before being a true contender, which can take several offseasons.
Sure some will say it could have been us, but they are likely wrong if the stared scenario were to play out. Kirk didn't make the difference for the Vikings, and he likely wouldn't be the deciding factor for the Falcons. Not to mention, what about the excuse of him not getting ot done due to having to learn a new system with a new OC?
If they want to over pay, that's the game, and maybe they have a great season, but it would be naive to say it could have been the Viikings if they had only paid more when there is so much more to fix here.
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The Vikings offensive line when Kirk was signed was atrocious. It went: Reiff, Compton, Elflein, Remmers and Rashod Hill. From the fairly average 2017 line, we'd lost our best offensive lineman (Joe Berger) to retirement, Nick Easton to a season ending injury and Remmers to an ill-advised move to RG. We started to rebuild our line that year, but then the defense started to falter, finishing 27th, 30th and 31st over the next three seasons. The line is now complete and BFlo improved the defense from 31st to 12th. Suffice to say, both of these teams are contenders with Cousins at QB. Neither is without him.
But if you think everything's going to be hunky dory in Minnyland if Cousins turns the Falcons into a contender (he will) while the Vikings slag through the next Trey Lance or a Zach Wilson, you're being naive. There will be Wilves at the door.
the general notion when we signed Kirk was that Keenum was the problem ( (I argued against signing Kirk then for the same reasons I do now, we dont have the OL for an immobile QB like Cousins ) I know the OL was an issue back then, just like I know it is now, and my arguments havent changed because we now have a 2nd GM and Coach that fail to see that the game is won from the trenches and paying big money to a statue pocket passer with a shit IOL is just pissing money down their legs.
as far as wolves at the door, they should be in the fucking house since kirks been here 6 years, we still have IOL issues, except now the rest of the roster ( minus WR ) has gone to shit, and we are much further from competing for a Lombardi than we were when we signed him. Adding Kirk fixed nothing and changed nothing except his bank account. we still need to fix the OL and we still need to be shopping for a QB.
"the line is now complete" are you fucking kidding me? Are you still of the notion that Bradbury is a competent NFL center? We need a new center and likely at least 1 new OG, the line is far from complete, especially when they will need continuity time to really see if they are worth a shit as a unity.
The line was complete two years ago, when every player on it was under 26 and taken in the 1st or 2nd round. Good, bad or otherwise, that’s a rebuild. Now, obviously, not every draft pick in a rebuild is going to be 100% successful. But it’s also obvious that our line is quite a bit better than you think it is. I know you don’t trust PFF but they also ranked top 10 by ESPN, SIS, PFN and Player Profiler, among others.
Either way, the line improved a lot over the last two years, and it’s a helluva lot better than it was in 2018. But as I’ve said before, I think there’s an even chance we release Bradbury and try to upgrade the center position. For whatever reason—maybe the QB rotation, maybe his back—he was a top 10 center the first half of the season and a bottom 10 center the second half of the season.
But even you can’t possibly believe the Vikings would’ve missed the playoffs with a healthy Kirk Cousins, considering he was the NFL’s leading passer at the time and they had just beaten the 49ers and Packers without Justin Jefferson.
I don't give a crap about sneaking into the playoffs, this team was not going to compete, even with Cousins, with our IOL.
And simply having bodies at positions does not make the line complete. This OL, specifically the 3 interior positions are not good, certainly not good enough to win multiple playoff games.
Sneak in? The Vikings almost snuck in WITHOUT Cousins. They were alive in week 18 despite changing their QB FIVE times and losing their best player for 7 full games and parts of 2 others. Ya think they might’ve done a tad better with a healthy Kirko? Yeah, me too. Don’t forget, he had just thrown for 800 yards against the 49ers' NFL-best defense and the Packers in Green Bay.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
If Cousins signs with the Falcons, who have an offense that appears to be a QB away, and he takes that team deep into the playoffs, while the Vikings draft the next Bryce Young, Zach Wilson, Trubisky, Rosen or Lance, there is going to be a lot of egg on the face of this organization.
Why would there be egg? Atlanta is supposedly where we were when we signed Cousins, ( look how that turned out with him) our team needs large talent infusions at many positions before being a true contender, which can take several offseasons.
Sure some will say it could have been us, but they are likely wrong if the stared scenario were to play out. Kirk didn't make the difference for the Vikings, and he likely wouldn't be the deciding factor for the Falcons. Not to mention, what about the excuse of him not getting ot done due to having to learn a new system with a new OC?
If they want to over pay, that's the game, and maybe they have a great season, but it would be naive to say it could have been the Viikings if they had only paid more when there is so much more to fix here.
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The Vikings offensive line when Kirk was signed was atrocious. It went: Reiff, Compton, Elflein, Remmers and Rashod Hill. From the fairly average 2017 line, we'd lost our best offensive lineman (Joe Berger) to retirement, Nick Easton to a season ending injury and Remmers to an ill-advised move to RG. We started to rebuild our line that year, but then the defense started to falter, finishing 27th, 30th and 31st over the next three seasons. The line is now complete and BFlo improved the defense from 31st to 12th. Suffice to say, both of these teams are contenders with Cousins at QB. Neither is without him.
But if you think everything's going to be hunky dory in Minnyland if Cousins turns the Falcons into a contender (he will) while the Vikings slag through the next Trey Lance or a Zach Wilson, you're being naive. There will be Wilves at the door.
the general notion when we signed Kirk was that Keenum was the problem ( (I argued against signing Kirk then for the same reasons I do now, we dont have the OL for an immobile QB like Cousins ) I know the OL was an issue back then, just like I know it is now, and my arguments havent changed because we now have a 2nd GM and Coach that fail to see that the game is won from the trenches and paying big money to a statue pocket passer with a shit IOL is just pissing money down their legs.
as far as wolves at the door, they should be in the fucking house since kirks been here 6 years, we still have IOL issues, except now the rest of the roster ( minus WR ) has gone to shit, and we are much further from competing for a Lombardi than we were when we signed him. Adding Kirk fixed nothing and changed nothing except his bank account. we still need to fix the OL and we still need to be shopping for a QB.
"the line is now complete" are you fucking kidding me? Are you still of the notion that Bradbury is a competent NFL center? We need a new center and likely at least 1 new OG, the line is far from complete, especially when they will need continuity time to really see if they are worth a shit as a unity.
The line was complete two years ago, when every player on it was under 26 and taken in the 1st or 2nd round. Good, bad or otherwise, that’s a rebuild. Now, obviously, not every draft pick in a rebuild is going to be 100% successful. But it’s also obvious that our line is quite a bit better than you think it is. I know you don’t trust PFF but they also ranked top 10 by ESPN, SIS, PFN and Player Profiler, among others.
Either way, the line improved a lot over the last two years, and it’s a helluva lot better than it was in 2018. But as I’ve said before, I think there’s an even chance we release Bradbury and try to upgrade the center position. For whatever reason—maybe the QB rotation, maybe his back—he was a top 10 center the first half of the season and a bottom 10 center the second half of the season.
But even you can’t possibly believe the Vikings would’ve missed the playoffs with a healthy Kirk Cousins, considering he was the NFL’s leading passer at the time and they had just beaten the 49ers and Packers without Justin Jefferson.
I don't give a crap about sneaking into the playoffs, this team was not going to compete, even with Cousins, with our IOL.
And simply having bodies at positions does not make the line complete. This OL, specifically the 3 interior positions are not good, certainly not good enough to win multiple playoff games.
Sneak in? The Vikings almost snuck in WITHOUT Cousins. They were alive in week 18 despite changing their QB FIVE times and losing their best player for 7 full games and parts of 2 others. Ya think they might’ve done a tad better with a healthy Kirko? Yeah, me too. Don’t forget, he had just thrown for 800 yards against the 49ers' NFL-best defense and the Packers in Green Bay.
Some posters are obviously ignoring this for their narrative. I've said as much several times. Its a big whatever for me to see a few act like the franchise is utter garbage, I don't give a shit to change their minds.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
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The #Commanders and #Patriots, who currently own the number 2 and 3 picks in the draft, are “weighing the possibility” of acquiring draft capital over selecting a franchise QB, per @RapSheet
I think neither budges and select at their spots. Some team would have to get stupid to tempt them to move....and I'm not saying it isn't possible. But I say highly unlikely. And Ian Rapoport is garbage...he's spoon fed shit by the league.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
If Cousins signs with the Falcons, who have an offense that appears to be a QB away, and he takes that team deep into the playoffs, while the Vikings draft the next Bryce Young, Zach Wilson, Trubisky, Rosen or Lance, there is going to be a lot of egg on the face of this organization.
Why would there be egg? Atlanta is supposedly where we were when we signed Cousins, ( look how that turned out with him) our team needs large talent infusions at many positions before being a true contender, which can take several offseasons.
Sure some will say it could have been us, but they are likely wrong if the stared scenario were to play out. Kirk didn't make the difference for the Vikings, and he likely wouldn't be the deciding factor for the Falcons. Not to mention, what about the excuse of him not getting ot done due to having to learn a new system with a new OC?
If they want to over pay, that's the game, and maybe they have a great season, but it would be naive to say it could have been the Viikings if they had only paid more when there is so much more to fix here.
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The Vikings offensive line when Kirk was signed was atrocious. It went: Reiff, Compton, Elflein, Remmers and Rashod Hill. From the fairly average 2017 line, we'd lost our best offensive lineman (Joe Berger) to retirement, Nick Easton to a season ending injury and Remmers to an ill-advised move to RG. We started to rebuild our line that year, but then the defense started to falter, finishing 27th, 30th and 31st over the next three seasons. The line is now complete and BFlo improved the defense from 31st to 12th. Suffice to say, both of these teams are contenders with Cousins at QB. Neither is without him.
But if you think everything's going to be hunky dory in Minnyland if Cousins turns the Falcons into a contender (he will) while the Vikings slag through the next Trey Lance or a Zach Wilson, you're being naive. There will be Wilves at the door.
the general notion when we signed Kirk was that Keenum was the problem ( (I argued against signing Kirk then for the same reasons I do now, we dont have the OL for an immobile QB like Cousins ) I know the OL was an issue back then, just like I know it is now, and my arguments havent changed because we now have a 2nd GM and Coach that fail to see that the game is won from the trenches and paying big money to a statue pocket passer with a shit IOL is just pissing money down their legs.
as far as wolves at the door, they should be in the fucking house since kirks been here 6 years, we still have IOL issues, except now the rest of the roster ( minus WR ) has gone to shit, and we are much further from competing for a Lombardi than we were when we signed him. Adding Kirk fixed nothing and changed nothing except his bank account. we still need to fix the OL and we still need to be shopping for a QB.
"the line is now complete" are you fucking kidding me? Are you still of the notion that Bradbury is a competent NFL center? We need a new center and likely at least 1 new OG, the line is far from complete, especially when they will need continuity time to really see if they are worth a shit as a unity.
The line was complete two years ago, when every player on it was under 26 and taken in the 1st or 2nd round. Good, bad or otherwise, that’s a rebuild. Now, obviously, not every draft pick in a rebuild is going to be 100% successful. But it’s also obvious that our line is quite a bit better than you think it is. I know you don’t trust PFF but they also ranked top 10 by ESPN, SIS, PFN and Player Profiler, among others.
Either way, the line improved a lot over the last two years, and it’s a helluva lot better than it was in 2018. But as I’ve said before, I think there’s an even chance we release Bradbury and try to upgrade the center position. For whatever reason—maybe the QB rotation, maybe his back—he was a top 10 center the first half of the season and a bottom 10 center the second half of the season.
But even you can’t possibly believe the Vikings would’ve missed the playoffs with a healthy Kirk Cousins, considering he was the NFL’s leading passer at the time and they had just beaten the 49ers and Packers without Justin Jefferson.
I don't give a crap about sneaking into the playoffs, this team was not going to compete, even with Cousins, with our IOL.
And simply having bodies at positions does not make the line complete. This OL, specifically the 3 interior positions are not good, certainly not good enough to win multiple playoff games.
Sneak in? The Vikings almost snuck in WITHOUT Cousins. They were alive in week 18 despite changing their QB FIVE times and losing their best player for 7 full games and parts of 2 others. Ya think they might’ve done a tad better with a healthy Kirko? Yeah, me too. Don’t forget, he had just thrown for 800 yards against the 49ers' NFL-best defense and the Packers in Green Bay.
and they had also started the year 1-what ever, they were not a complete team on the level of those that were playing in the final couple weeks, but if you want to think beating a dinged niners team in the regular season meant we were somehow going to do the same in the post season with what we had.... go right on ahead thinking that. I saw it differently.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
If Cousins signs with the Falcons, who have an offense that appears to be a QB away, and he takes that team deep into the playoffs, while the Vikings draft the next Bryce Young, Zach Wilson, Trubisky, Rosen or Lance, there is going to be a lot of egg on the face of this organization.
Why would there be egg? Atlanta is supposedly where we were when we signed Cousins, ( look how that turned out with him) our team needs large talent infusions at many positions before being a true contender, which can take several offseasons.
Sure some will say it could have been us, but they are likely wrong if the stared scenario were to play out. Kirk didn't make the difference for the Vikings, and he likely wouldn't be the deciding factor for the Falcons. Not to mention, what about the excuse of him not getting ot done due to having to learn a new system with a new OC?
If they want to over pay, that's the game, and maybe they have a great season, but it would be naive to say it could have been the Viikings if they had only paid more when there is so much more to fix here.
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The Vikings offensive line when Kirk was signed was atrocious. It went: Reiff, Compton, Elflein, Remmers and Rashod Hill. From the fairly average 2017 line, we'd lost our best offensive lineman (Joe Berger) to retirement, Nick Easton to a season ending injury and Remmers to an ill-advised move to RG. We started to rebuild our line that year, but then the defense started to falter, finishing 27th, 30th and 31st over the next three seasons. The line is now complete and BFlo improved the defense from 31st to 12th. Suffice to say, both of these teams are contenders with Cousins at QB. Neither is without him.
But if you think everything's going to be hunky dory in Minnyland if Cousins turns the Falcons into a contender (he will) while the Vikings slag through the next Trey Lance or a Zach Wilson, you're being naive. There will be Wilves at the door.
the general notion when we signed Kirk was that Keenum was the problem ( (I argued against signing Kirk then for the same reasons I do now, we dont have the OL for an immobile QB like Cousins ) I know the OL was an issue back then, just like I know it is now, and my arguments havent changed because we now have a 2nd GM and Coach that fail to see that the game is won from the trenches and paying big money to a statue pocket passer with a shit IOL is just pissing money down their legs.
as far as wolves at the door, they should be in the fucking house since kirks been here 6 years, we still have IOL issues, except now the rest of the roster ( minus WR ) has gone to shit, and we are much further from competing for a Lombardi than we were when we signed him. Adding Kirk fixed nothing and changed nothing except his bank account. we still need to fix the OL and we still need to be shopping for a QB.
"the line is now complete" are you fucking kidding me? Are you still of the notion that Bradbury is a competent NFL center? We need a new center and likely at least 1 new OG, the line is far from complete, especially when they will need continuity time to really see if they are worth a shit as a unity.
The line was complete two years ago, when every player on it was under 26 and taken in the 1st or 2nd round. Good, bad or otherwise, that’s a rebuild. Now, obviously, not every draft pick in a rebuild is going to be 100% successful. But it’s also obvious that our line is quite a bit better than you think it is. I know you don’t trust PFF but they also ranked top 10 by ESPN, SIS, PFN and Player Profiler, among others.
Either way, the line improved a lot over the last two years, and it’s a helluva lot better than it was in 2018. But as I’ve said before, I think there’s an even chance we release Bradbury and try to upgrade the center position. For whatever reason—maybe the QB rotation, maybe his back—he was a top 10 center the first half of the season and a bottom 10 center the second half of the season.
But even you can’t possibly believe the Vikings would’ve missed the playoffs with a healthy Kirk Cousins, considering he was the NFL’s leading passer at the time and they had just beaten the 49ers and Packers without Justin Jefferson.
I don't give a crap about sneaking into the playoffs, this team was not going to compete, even with Cousins, with our IOL.
And simply having bodies at positions does not make the line complete. This OL, specifically the 3 interior positions are not good, certainly not good enough to win multiple playoff games.
Sneak in? The Vikings almost snuck in WITHOUT Cousins. They were alive in week 18 despite changing their QB FIVE times and losing their best player for 7 full games and parts of 2 others. Ya think they might’ve done a tad better with a healthy Kirko? Yeah, me too. Don’t forget, he had just thrown for 800 yards against the 49ers' NFL-best defense and the Packers in Green Bay.
Some posters are obviously ignoring this for their narrative. I've said as much several times. Its a big whatever for me to see a few act like the franchise is utter garbage, I don't give a shit to change their minds.
nice straw argument, but thats to be expected around here. nobody is claiming utter garbage, if they were utter garbage we wouldnt be having to trade up, we would have already been there, but the notion that the only thing that kept this team from being there in late January was Cousins injury is pretty much homer talk. We couldnt run the ball for shit, we couldnt protect any of the QBs from pressure right up the gut, thats not a winning combination when you look at the defenses in the playoffs, not to mention our D was improved, but still very porous at times and was unlikely to improve as the competition got better. That team in 23 was at least 4 players from being a legit playoff contender instead of the one and done we would have likely seen.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
If Cousins signs with the Falcons, who have an offense that appears to be a QB away, and he takes that team deep into the playoffs, while the Vikings draft the next Bryce Young, Zach Wilson, Trubisky, Rosen or Lance, there is going to be a lot of egg on the face of this organization.
Why would there be egg? Atlanta is supposedly where we were when we signed Cousins, ( look how that turned out with him) our team needs large talent infusions at many positions before being a true contender, which can take several offseasons.
Sure some will say it could have been us, but they are likely wrong if the stared scenario were to play out. Kirk didn't make the difference for the Vikings, and he likely wouldn't be the deciding factor for the Falcons. Not to mention, what about the excuse of him not getting ot done due to having to learn a new system with a new OC?
If they want to over pay, that's the game, and maybe they have a great season, but it would be naive to say it could have been the Viikings if they had only paid more when there is so much more to fix here.
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The Vikings offensive line when Kirk was signed was atrocious. It went: Reiff, Compton, Elflein, Remmers and Rashod Hill. From the fairly average 2017 line, we'd lost our best offensive lineman (Joe Berger) to retirement, Nick Easton to a season ending injury and Remmers to an ill-advised move to RG. We started to rebuild our line that year, but then the defense started to falter, finishing 27th, 30th and 31st over the next three seasons. The line is now complete and BFlo improved the defense from 31st to 12th. Suffice to say, both of these teams are contenders with Cousins at QB. Neither is without him.
But if you think everything's going to be hunky dory in Minnyland if Cousins turns the Falcons into a contender (he will) while the Vikings slag through the next Trey Lance or a Zach Wilson, you're being naive. There will be Wilves at the door.
the general notion when we signed Kirk was that Keenum was the problem ( (I argued against signing Kirk then for the same reasons I do now, we dont have the OL for an immobile QB like Cousins ) I know the OL was an issue back then, just like I know it is now, and my arguments havent changed because we now have a 2nd GM and Coach that fail to see that the game is won from the trenches and paying big money to a statue pocket passer with a shit IOL is just pissing money down their legs.
as far as wolves at the door, they should be in the fucking house since kirks been here 6 years, we still have IOL issues, except now the rest of the roster ( minus WR ) has gone to shit, and we are much further from competing for a Lombardi than we were when we signed him. Adding Kirk fixed nothing and changed nothing except his bank account. we still need to fix the OL and we still need to be shopping for a QB.
"the line is now complete" are you fucking kidding me? Are you still of the notion that Bradbury is a competent NFL center? We need a new center and likely at least 1 new OG, the line is far from complete, especially when they will need continuity time to really see if they are worth a shit as a unity.
The line was complete two years ago, when every player on it was under 26 and taken in the 1st or 2nd round. Good, bad or otherwise, that’s a rebuild. Now, obviously, not every draft pick in a rebuild is going to be 100% successful. But it’s also obvious that our line is quite a bit better than you think it is. I know you don’t trust PFF but they also ranked top 10 by ESPN, SIS, PFN and Player Profiler, among others.
Either way, the line improved a lot over the last two years, and it’s a helluva lot better than it was in 2018. But as I’ve said before, I think there’s an even chance we release Bradbury and try to upgrade the center position. For whatever reason—maybe the QB rotation, maybe his back—he was a top 10 center the first half of the season and a bottom 10 center the second half of the season.
But even you can’t possibly believe the Vikings would’ve missed the playoffs with a healthy Kirk Cousins, considering he was the NFL’s leading passer at the time and they had just beaten the 49ers and Packers without Justin Jefferson.
I don't give a crap about sneaking into the playoffs, this team was not going to compete, even with Cousins, with our IOL.
And simply having bodies at positions does not make the line complete. This OL, specifically the 3 interior positions are not good, certainly not good enough to win multiple playoff games.
Sneak in? The Vikings almost snuck in WITHOUT Cousins. They were alive in week 18 despite changing their QB FIVE times and losing their best player for 7 full games and parts of 2 others. Ya think they might’ve done a tad better with a healthy Kirko? Yeah, me too. Don’t forget, he had just thrown for 800 yards against the 49ers' NFL-best defense and the Packers in Green Bay.
and they had also started the year 1-what ever, they were not a complete team on the level of those that were playing in the final couple weeks, but if you want to think beating a dinged niners team in the regular season meant we were somehow going to do the same in the post season with what we had.... go right on ahead thinking that. I saw it differently.
Oh that's right. Never mind Justin Jefferson didn't play, the 49ers and were dinged!
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
If Cousins signs with the Falcons, who have an offense that appears to be a QB away, and he takes that team deep into the playoffs, while the Vikings draft the next Bryce Young, Zach Wilson, Trubisky, Rosen or Lance, there is going to be a lot of egg on the face of this organization.
Why would there be egg? Atlanta is supposedly where we were when we signed Cousins, ( look how that turned out with him) our team needs large talent infusions at many positions before being a true contender, which can take several offseasons.
Sure some will say it could have been us, but they are likely wrong if the stared scenario were to play out. Kirk didn't make the difference for the Vikings, and he likely wouldn't be the deciding factor for the Falcons. Not to mention, what about the excuse of him not getting ot done due to having to learn a new system with a new OC?
If they want to over pay, that's the game, and maybe they have a great season, but it would be naive to say it could have been the Viikings if they had only paid more when there is so much more to fix here.
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The Vikings offensive line when Kirk was signed was atrocious. It went: Reiff, Compton, Elflein, Remmers and Rashod Hill. From the fairly average 2017 line, we'd lost our best offensive lineman (Joe Berger) to retirement, Nick Easton to a season ending injury and Remmers to an ill-advised move to RG. We started to rebuild our line that year, but then the defense started to falter, finishing 27th, 30th and 31st over the next three seasons. The line is now complete and BFlo improved the defense from 31st to 12th. Suffice to say, both of these teams are contenders with Cousins at QB. Neither is without him.
But if you think everything's going to be hunky dory in Minnyland if Cousins turns the Falcons into a contender (he will) while the Vikings slag through the next Trey Lance or a Zach Wilson, you're being naive. There will be Wilves at the door.
the general notion when we signed Kirk was that Keenum was the problem ( (I argued against signing Kirk then for the same reasons I do now, we dont have the OL for an immobile QB like Cousins ) I know the OL was an issue back then, just like I know it is now, and my arguments havent changed because we now have a 2nd GM and Coach that fail to see that the game is won from the trenches and paying big money to a statue pocket passer with a shit IOL is just pissing money down their legs.
as far as wolves at the door, they should be in the fucking house since kirks been here 6 years, we still have IOL issues, except now the rest of the roster ( minus WR ) has gone to shit, and we are much further from competing for a Lombardi than we were when we signed him. Adding Kirk fixed nothing and changed nothing except his bank account. we still need to fix the OL and we still need to be shopping for a QB.
"the line is now complete" are you fucking kidding me? Are you still of the notion that Bradbury is a competent NFL center? We need a new center and likely at least 1 new OG, the line is far from complete, especially when they will need continuity time to really see if they are worth a shit as a unity.
The line was complete two years ago, when every player on it was under 26 and taken in the 1st or 2nd round. Good, bad or otherwise, that’s a rebuild. Now, obviously, not every draft pick in a rebuild is going to be 100% successful. But it’s also obvious that our line is quite a bit better than you think it is. I know you don’t trust PFF but they also ranked top 10 by ESPN, SIS, PFN and Player Profiler, among others.
Either way, the line improved a lot over the last two years, and it’s a helluva lot better than it was in 2018. But as I’ve said before, I think there’s an even chance we release Bradbury and try to upgrade the center position. For whatever reason—maybe the QB rotation, maybe his back—he was a top 10 center the first half of the season and a bottom 10 center the second half of the season.
But even you can’t possibly believe the Vikings would’ve missed the playoffs with a healthy Kirk Cousins, considering he was the NFL’s leading passer at the time and they had just beaten the 49ers and Packers without Justin Jefferson.
I don't give a crap about sneaking into the playoffs, this team was not going to compete, even with Cousins, with our IOL.
And simply having bodies at positions does not make the line complete. This OL, specifically the 3 interior positions are not good, certainly not good enough to win multiple playoff games.
Sneak in? The Vikings almost snuck in WITHOUT Cousins. They were alive in week 18 despite changing their QB FIVE times and losing their best player for 7 full games and parts of 2 others. Ya think they might’ve done a tad better with a healthy Kirko? Yeah, me too. Don’t forget, he had just thrown for 800 yards against the 49ers' NFL-best defense and the Packers in Green Bay.
and they had also started the year 1-what ever, they were not a complete team on the level of those that were playing in the final couple weeks, but if you want to think beating a dinged niners team in the regular season meant we were somehow going to do the same in the post season with what we had.... go right on ahead thinking that. I saw it differently.
Oh that's right. Never mind Justin Jefferson didn't play, the 49ers and were dinged!
wow.... its amazing our trophy case is empty with all the talent you see around this team every single year.
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If Cousins signs with the Falcons, who have an offense that appears to be a QB away, and he takes that team deep into the playoffs, while the Vikings draft the next Bryce Young, Zach Wilson, Trubisky, Rosen or Lance, there is going to be a lot of egg on the face of this organization.
Why would there be egg? Atlanta is supposedly where we were when we signed Cousins, ( look how that turned out with him) our team needs large talent infusions at many positions before being a true contender, which can take several offseasons.
Sure some will say it could have been us, but they are likely wrong if the stared scenario were to play out. Kirk didn't make the difference for the Vikings, and he likely wouldn't be the deciding factor for the Falcons. Not to mention, what about the excuse of him not getting ot done due to having to learn a new system with a new OC?
If they want to over pay, that's the game, and maybe they have a great season, but it would be naive to say it could have been the Viikings if they had only paid more when there is so much more to fix here.
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The Vikings offensive line when Kirk was signed was atrocious. It went: Reiff, Compton, Elflein, Remmers and Rashod Hill. From the fairly average 2017 line, we'd lost our best offensive lineman (Joe Berger) to retirement, Nick Easton to a season ending injury and Remmers to an ill-advised move to RG. We started to rebuild our line that year, but then the defense started to falter, finishing 27th, 30th and 31st over the next three seasons. The line is now complete and BFlo improved the defense from 31st to 12th. Suffice to say, both of these teams are contenders with Cousins at QB. Neither is without him.
But if you think everything's going to be hunky dory in Minnyland if Cousins turns the Falcons into a contender (he will) while the Vikings slag through the next Trey Lance or a Zach Wilson, you're being naive. There will be Wilves at the door.
the general notion when we signed Kirk was that Keenum was the problem ( (I argued against signing Kirk then for the same reasons I do now, we dont have the OL for an immobile QB like Cousins ) I know the OL was an issue back then, just like I know it is now, and my arguments havent changed because we now have a 2nd GM and Coach that fail to see that the game is won from the trenches and paying big money to a statue pocket passer with a shit IOL is just pissing money down their legs.
as far as wolves at the door, they should be in the fucking house since kirks been here 6 years, we still have IOL issues, except now the rest of the roster ( minus WR ) has gone to shit, and we are much further from competing for a Lombardi than we were when we signed him. Adding Kirk fixed nothing and changed nothing except his bank account. we still need to fix the OL and we still need to be shopping for a QB.
"the line is now complete" are you fucking kidding me? Are you still of the notion that Bradbury is a competent NFL center? We need a new center and likely at least 1 new OG, the line is far from complete, especially when they will need continuity time to really see if they are worth a shit as a unity.
The line was complete two years ago, when every player on it was under 26 and taken in the 1st or 2nd round. Good, bad or otherwise, that’s a rebuild. Now, obviously, not every draft pick in a rebuild is going to be 100% successful. But it’s also obvious that our line is quite a bit better than you think it is. I know you don’t trust PFF but they also ranked top 10 by ESPN, SIS, PFN and Player Profiler, among others.
Either way, the line improved a lot over the last two years, and it’s a helluva lot better than it was in 2018. But as I’ve said before, I think there’s an even chance we release Bradbury and try to upgrade the center position. For whatever reason—maybe the QB rotation, maybe his back—he was a top 10 center the first half of the season and a bottom 10 center the second half of the season.
But even you can’t possibly believe the Vikings would’ve missed the playoffs with a healthy Kirk Cousins, considering he was the NFL’s leading passer at the time and they had just beaten the 49ers and Packers without Justin Jefferson.
I don't give a crap about sneaking into the playoffs, this team was not going to compete, even with Cousins, with our IOL.
And simply having bodies at positions does not make the line complete. This OL, specifically the 3 interior positions are not good, certainly not good enough to win multiple playoff games.
Sneak in? The Vikings almost snuck in WITHOUT Cousins. They were alive in week 18 despite changing their QB FIVE times and losing their best player for 7 full games and parts of 2 others. Ya think they might’ve done a tad better with a healthy Kirko? Yeah, me too. Don’t forget, he had just thrown for 800 yards against the 49ers' NFL-best defense and the Packers in Green Bay.
and they had also started the year 1-what ever, they were not a complete team on the level of those that were playing in the final couple weeks, but if you want to think beating a dinged niners team in the regular season meant we were somehow going to do the same in the post season with what we had.... go right on ahead thinking that. I saw it differently.
Oh that's right. Never mind Justin Jefferson didn't play, the 49ers and were dinged!
wow.... its amazing our trophy case is empty with all the talent you see around this team every single year.
The truth looks like rose-colored fantasy to those who see everything through shit-colored lenses.
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