Quote: @supafreak84 said:
Luis Riddick thinks Jayden Daniel's is the "clear cut" number 2 QB in this draft. I think we are starting to see more of a consensus on this. With that said, it would still be tough to see the Patriots passing on whomever the 3rd guy is.
Also of note, Field Yates at ESPN just released his 1st mock draft. He has the Vikings taking EDGE Jared Verse at #11, followed by the Broncos taking McCarthy at #12, and Pittsburgh taking Nix at #20.
I agree that Daniels is trending up and Maye is trending down. Might Maye even drop below McCarthy? Could happen.
New England staying at 3 and taking the QB is still the most likely. But the idea that they could trade down to build their roster is gaining a lot of steam.
I’ll go a step further than Merrill Hoge after my review of Caleb Williams. Not only do I think he “isn’t special”, I think there’s a better than average chance he’ll bust. He’s going to have to work his tail off to be a viable NFL QB.
Why? His decision making is too slow. He will struggle in structure because of it and in the NFL you have to be able to play within structure to succeed. The ball has to be out on time, accurate, and anticipatory. There is very little sign of any of this in his game tape. The things he does to make uo for these deficiencies - run all over the place, is unlikely to work for long before defensive coordinators force him to beat them from the pocket. That will necessitate much faster processing than he has shown thus far.
His arm talent is exceptional so there is something to work with. As a prospect he isn’t terrible, but taking him in the top 10 is crazy risky. Can he get it together? Possibly, but it’s probably dependent on where he goes.
My current QB rankings:
1. Jayden Daniels
2. Bo Nix
3. JJM
4. Drake Maye
5. Michael Penix
6. Caleb Williams
One other thing I’ll add about Caleb Williams:
The first 5 games of the season he played poor overall teams. The vast majority of his positive stats came during these games.
The last seven games, when he started playing some reasonably decent teams, he threw 9 TD’s to 4 Int’s. If you watch the games, he’s lucky it wasn’t 9 picks.
The same trend can be seen in his Heisman year to some extent.
He’s a great college QB, but he’s a 3rd round pick to me.
Quote: @Havoc1649 said:
I’ll go a step further than Merrill Hoge after my review of Caleb Williams. Not only do I think he “isn’t special”, I think there’s a better than average chance he’ll bust. He’s going to have to work his tail off to be a viable NFL QB.
Why? His decision making is too slow. He will struggle in structure because of it and in the NFL you have to be able to play within structure to succeed. The ball has to be out on time, accurate, and anticipatory. There is very little sign of any of this in his game tape. The things he does to make uo for these deficiencies - run all over the place, is unlikely to work for long before defensive coordinators force him to beat them from the pocket. That will necessitate much faster processing than he has shown thus far.
His arm talent is exceptional so there is something to work with. As a prospect he isn’t terrible, but taking him in the top 10 is crazy risky. Can he get it together? Possibly, but it’s probably dependent on where he goes.
My current QB rankings:
1. Jayden Daniels
2. Bo Nix
3. JJM
4. Drake Maye
5. Michael Penix
6. Caleb Williams
I'd agree that Caleb Williams probably has the lowest floor. How he does in the NFL is going to depend a lot on who he goes to and how they choose to play him. But the boom is very high.
And oddly, even though I'm lower on Drake Maye than most, I think he probably has the highest floor.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
I’ll go a step further than Merrill Hoge after my review of Caleb Williams. Not only do I think he “isn’t special”, I think there’s a better than average chance he’ll bust. He’s going to have to work his tail off to be a viable NFL QB.
Why? His decision making is too slow. He will struggle in structure because of it and in the NFL you have to be able to play within structure to succeed. The ball has to be out on time, accurate, and anticipatory. There is very little sign of any of this in his game tape. The things he does to make uo for these deficiencies - run all over the place, is unlikely to work for long before defensive coordinators force him to beat them from the pocket. That will necessitate much faster processing than he has shown thus far.
His arm talent is exceptional so there is something to work with. As a prospect he isn’t terrible, but taking him in the top 10 is crazy risky. Can he get it together? Possibly, but it’s probably dependent on where he goes.
My current QB rankings:
1. Jayden Daniels
2. Bo Nix
3. JJM
4. Drake Maye
5. Michael Penix
6. Caleb Williams
I'd agree that Caleb Williams probably has the lowest floor. How he does in the NFL is going to depend a lot on who he goes to and how they choose to play him. But the boom is very high.
And oddly, even though I'm lower on Drake Maye than most, I think he probably has the highest floor.
There are things I love about Maye, but there are two big concerns I have:
1. Derek Zoolander can’t turn left and Drake Maye can’t throw right. I know someone posted a graphic, but I noticed it awhile ago and it’s a big deal. A team will have to be confident they can fix his footwork at it will make the difference.
2. The other one is against pressure he struggles. There are times when he doesn’t feel backside pressure at all.
There are things I love about him too, but these are the main causes for concern. I think highest floor is Bo Nix.
Quote: @Havoc1649 said:
I’ll go a step further than Merrill Hoge after my review of Caleb Williams. Not only do I think he “isn’t special”, I think there’s a better than average chance he’ll bust. He’s going to have to work his tail off to be a viable NFL QB.
Well if this is all true then I think he's a perfect fit for the Bears! =)
Quote: @Havoc1649 said:
I’ll go a step further than Merrill Hoge after my review of Caleb Williams. Not only do I think he “isn’t special”, I think there’s a better than average chance he’ll bust. He’s going to have to work his tail off to be a viable NFL QB.
Why? His decision making is too slow. He will struggle in structure because of it and in the NFL you have to be able to play within structure to succeed. The ball has to be out on time, accurate, and anticipatory. There is very little sign of any of this in his game tape. The things he does to make uo for these deficiencies - run all over the place, is unlikely to work for long before defensive coordinators force him to beat them from the pocket. That will necessitate much faster processing than he has shown thus far.
His arm talent is exceptional so there is something to work with. As a prospect he isn’t terrible, but taking him in the top 10 is crazy risky. Can he get it together? Possibly, but it’s probably dependent on where he goes.
My current QB rankings:
1. Jayden Daniels
2. Bo Nix
3. JJM
4. Drake Maye
5. Michael Penix
6. Caleb Williams
Which of these QB's is the fastest processer of the bunch? What stands out to me as a special trait for an NFL QB in addition to all else is rapid processing of the defense after the ball is snapped. Knows what he's looking for. Bang bang bang, one read to the next and getting the ball out when he sees it. That is what CJ Stroud has in addition to his other attributes.
Sometimes when a college QB is lauded for his ability to make plays off script it is because he can't process fast enough to deliver the ball on schedule.
Just wondering what your opinion is since you already see this with Williams?
Quote: @jargomcfargo said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
I’ll go a step further than Merrill Hoge after my review of Caleb Williams. Not only do I think he “isn’t special”, I think there’s a better than average chance he’ll bust. He’s going to have to work his tail off to be a viable NFL QB.
Why? His decision making is too slow. He will struggle in structure because of it and in the NFL you have to be able to play within structure to succeed. The ball has to be out on time, accurate, and anticipatory. There is very little sign of any of this in his game tape. The things he does to make uo for these deficiencies - run all over the place, is unlikely to work for long before defensive coordinators force him to beat them from the pocket. That will necessitate much faster processing than he has shown thus far.
His arm talent is exceptional so there is something to work with. As a prospect he isn’t terrible, but taking him in the top 10 is crazy risky. Can he get it together? Possibly, but it’s probably dependent on where he goes.
My current QB rankings:
1. Jayden Daniels
2. Bo Nix
3. JJM
4. Drake Maye
5. Michael Penix
6. Caleb Williams
Which of these QB's is the fastest processer of the bunch? What stands out to me as a special trait for an NFL QB in addition to all else is rapid processing of the defense after the ball is snapped. Knows what he's looking for. Bang bang bang, one read to the next and getting the ball out when he sees it. That is what CJ Stroud has in addition to his other attributes.
Sometimes when a college QB is lauded for his ability to make plays off script it is because he can't process fast enough to deliver the ball on schedule.
Just wondering what your opinion is since you already see this with Williams?
I cant speak for all of them, but as a Penix proponent I have said his process speed has often been a concern of mine, not necessarily because of what I saw him do wrong, but largely because he was so damn comfortable back there that he often was facing pressure pre snap and still stood tall and let things develop down field inspite of what the D was doing, now it typically worked out ok with that OL, but what MI did in the championship had me wondering again, is it comfort and confidence in his protection and scheme, or was it slower to see and read?
Quote: @jargomcfargo said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
I’ll go a step further than Merrill Hoge after my review of Caleb Williams. Not only do I think he “isn’t special”, I think there’s a better than average chance he’ll bust. He’s going to have to work his tail off to be a viable NFL QB.
Why? His decision making is too slow. He will struggle in structure because of it and in the NFL you have to be able to play within structure to succeed. The ball has to be out on time, accurate, and anticipatory. There is very little sign of any of this in his game tape. The things he does to make uo for these deficiencies - run all over the place, is unlikely to work for long before defensive coordinators force him to beat them from the pocket. That will necessitate much faster processing than he has shown thus far.
His arm talent is exceptional so there is something to work with. As a prospect he isn’t terrible, but taking him in the top 10 is crazy risky. Can he get it together? Possibly, but it’s probably dependent on where he goes.
My current QB rankings:
1. Jayden Daniels
2. Bo Nix
3. JJM
4. Drake Maye
5. Michael Penix
6. Caleb Williams
Which of these QB's is the fastest processer of the bunch? What stands out to me as a special trait for an NFL QB in addition to all else is rapid processing of the defense after the ball is snapped. Knows what he's looking for. Bang bang bang, one read to the next and getting the ball out when he sees it. That is what CJ Stroud has in addition to his other attributes.
Sometimes when a college QB is lauded for his ability to make plays off script it is because he can't process fast enough to deliver the ball on schedule.
Just wondering what your opinion is since you already see this with Williams?
I still think they are all projects in their own way. But from what I have seen, if I could take one for the Vikings it would be Maye. He has Herbert part 2 written all over him.
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