Quote: @MaroonBells said:
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@ kmillard said:
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@ MaroonBells said:
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@ supafreak84 said:
Lol yup, this is a strong possibility if Kirk leaves. All I can do is laugh and shake my head. I hate it, but I'd also hate getting bent by Kirk on a multi year guaranteed deal where we are once again deferring money into future dead years. It's a shitty situation but it's the situation those in charge have painted themselves into
Yep. Without Kirk we’re gonna need some kind of miracle to not be terrible. That’s why I think the Vikings will be desperate and ultimately successful in re-signing him. Not my preferred route but I’ll support whatever. I just hope we can fight our way outta this situation since our backs are kind of against the wall. Thankfully it’s the NFL and tides turn quickly.
I don't think a team with JJ, Addison, Hockenson, two elite tackles and B-Flo on defense is ever going to be terrible. Even if you put the worst QB in the NFL on that team they would be modestly competitive.
The Vikings will sign Cousins because he gives them the best chance to win a Super Bowl in the next couple years, short of landing the next CJ Stroud, which seems pretty unlikely. The Vikings, with Cousins, are Super Bowl contenders. The Vikings without Cousins, using a bridge or a rookie, are probably pretty much the same thing they were this year weeks 9 thru 18.
Every scrap of evidence from the past ~6 years says this is not true.
Playoff contenders, not Super Bowl contenders. Big FKIN difference.
What's the big FKIN difference?
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Well we've averaged 8.8 wins/season since Kirk got here and the Chiefs have 3 rings since then. They're a perennial super bowl contender. If you're saying the gap between us and the best of the best isn't wide, you my friend are delusional.
I fully think teams, including us, are capable of a magic season where we catch lightning in a bottle but always counting on that season being just over the horizon is a fool's errand. Let's build something real. That might be with Kirk or it might not I don't really care, but it has not been built in the past 6 years. At all.
Then I'm delusional. Because the gap isn't wide.
But nor do I think it's wide for the Lions or Ravens either. Or the Packers, Cowboys, or Bills. I think if you replaced the 49ers with the Lions it would've been a similarly competitive game. Same if you replaced the Chiefs with the Ravens. Or the Bills.
Watch those highlights. Vikings beat the 49ers without JJ. Chiefs game could've gone either way despite an obvious DPI miss in the end zone and the fact that JJ went down in the 2nd half. So yes, I think if Cousins doesn't go down in Green Bay the following week--a game the Vikings were dominating 24-7 at the time--this team walks into the playoffs.
What I think is delusional is the thought that the Super Bowl winner is far and away the best team in the NFL. I think if the Chiefs and 9ers played that game 10 more times, it breaks even. 5-5. Throw in the Lions, maybe the Chiefs win six. I think if you put Cousins back on the team the Vikings pull out a few too.
I just need one, 1, won...
Until the defense improves, odds are poor. If we had the Chiefs level defense, we win a Superbowl.
Mahomes didn’t make the difference in the game, the defense did. That and the 9ers defense missing an easy pick. In fact, Mahomes quietly had a not so great season overall.
Andy Reid has put together a great all around team and he’s a top notch coach. The Vikings don’t have that balance until the defense is better.
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lol, some seem very disturbed by this rumor. I guess its gospel when you've got that narrative you need to keep propping up.
Just the offseason from Tom Pelissero - no narrative
Coming into the NFL offseason, we’ve known all along that the 49ers would be looking at some changes, whether they’d won the Super Bowl or not. Maybe the most obvious spot for change was always going to be in the 49ers quarterback room, where the team liked Sam Darnold enough to warrant letting Trey Lance go to Dallas in what amounted to a dump-off trade last August.
Now, Darnold is set to move on in search of a starting job. And NFL Network insider Tom Pelissero reported this week that there could be one in the offing—in Minnesota, replacing starter Kirk Cousins.
“(The Vikings) would like to re-sign Kirk Cousins, who is set to become a free agent in March. But my anticipation is that Cousins will have a strong market as a free agent, even at age 35 coming off an Achilles,” Pelissero said. “Minnesota is examining all options in the event that Cousins ends up landing elsewhere. If, in fact, the price tag goes too high, the Vikings would pursue a more economical veteran.
“One guy who is a possibility: Sam Darnold, the 49ers’ current backup here, hoping that he becomes this year’s Baker Mayfield, while also buying them time to maybe also develop a rookie quarterback.”
The narrative from some is this is gospel. Its not. Listen, I'm personally going to get behind whatever direction they choose. Some scenarios I'll prefer over others. I'll complain if the outcome isn't positive, but I'll at least wait to SEE the outcome of those decisions. I won't shit on something before its necessary and obvious. Any kind of wait and see attitude is compared to being PollyAnna, which I'm certainly not.
I'm as long suffering as anyone in this forum or that was here for the sites previous to this one. I'm just not the guy to sit there, pinch faced and arms folded, just shitting on every single thing the team does until a Superbowl is won.
Again, gospel to whom? Narrative to whom? Tom P, posted about Darnold being a possibility and we are responding.
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@ StickyBun said:
@ minny65 said:
@ StickyBun said:
lol, some seem very disturbed by this rumor. I guess its gospel when you've got that narrative you need to keep propping up.
Just the offseason from Tom Pelissero - no narrative
Coming into the NFL offseason, we’ve known all along that the 49ers would be looking at some changes, whether they’d won the Super Bowl or not. Maybe the most obvious spot for change was always going to be in the 49ers quarterback room, where the team liked Sam Darnold enough to warrant letting Trey Lance go to Dallas in what amounted to a dump-off trade last August.
Now, Darnold is set to move on in search of a starting job. And NFL Network insider Tom Pelissero reported this week that there could be one in the offing—in Minnesota, replacing starter Kirk Cousins.
“(The Vikings) would like to re-sign Kirk Cousins, who is set to become a free agent in March. But my anticipation is that Cousins will have a strong market as a free agent, even at age 35 coming off an Achilles,” Pelissero said. “Minnesota is examining all options in the event that Cousins ends up landing elsewhere. If, in fact, the price tag goes too high, the Vikings would pursue a more economical veteran.
“One guy who is a possibility: Sam Darnold, the 49ers’ current backup here, hoping that he becomes this year’s Baker Mayfield, while also buying them time to maybe also develop a rookie quarterback.”
The narrative from some is this is gospel. Its not. Listen, I'm personally going to get behind whatever direction they choose. Some scenarios I'll prefer over others. I'll complain if the outcome isn't positive, but I'll at least wait to SEE the outcome of those decisions. I won't shit on something before its necessary and obvious. Any kind of wait and see attitude is compared to being PollyAnna, which I'm certainly not.
I'm as long suffering as anyone in this forum or that was here for the sites previous to this one. I'm just not the guy to sit there, pinch faced and arms folded, just shitting on every single thing the team does until a Superbowl is won.
Again, gospel to whom? Narrative to whom? Tom P, posted about Darnold being a possibility and we are responding.
Gospel that this is fact. Yes, Tom P. posted its a possibility but some in the thread are like see?? We're fucked now with a guy like Darnold because KAM screwed the pooch. Do I really have to explain it, lol? Any rumor is latched onto as a way to dig.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ minny65 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ minny65 said:
@ StickyBun said:
lol, some seem very disturbed by this rumor. I guess its gospel when you've got that narrative you need to keep propping up.
Just the offseason from Tom Pelissero - no narrative
Coming into the NFL offseason, we’ve known all along that the 49ers would be looking at some changes, whether they’d won the Super Bowl or not. Maybe the most obvious spot for change was always going to be in the 49ers quarterback room, where the team liked Sam Darnold enough to warrant letting Trey Lance go to Dallas in what amounted to a dump-off trade last August.
Now, Darnold is set to move on in search of a starting job. And NFL Network insider Tom Pelissero reported this week that there could be one in the offing—in Minnesota, replacing starter Kirk Cousins.
“(The Vikings) would like to re-sign Kirk Cousins, who is set to become a free agent in March. But my anticipation is that Cousins will have a strong market as a free agent, even at age 35 coming off an Achilles,” Pelissero said. “Minnesota is examining all options in the event that Cousins ends up landing elsewhere. If, in fact, the price tag goes too high, the Vikings would pursue a more economical veteran.
“One guy who is a possibility: Sam Darnold, the 49ers’ current backup here, hoping that he becomes this year’s Baker Mayfield, while also buying them time to maybe also develop a rookie quarterback.”
The narrative from some is this is gospel. Its not. Listen, I'm personally going to get behind whatever direction they choose. Some scenarios I'll prefer over others. I'll complain if the outcome isn't positive, but I'll at least wait to SEE the outcome of those decisions. I won't shit on something before its necessary and obvious. Any kind of wait and see attitude is compared to being PollyAnna, which I'm certainly not.
I'm as long suffering as anyone in this forum or that was here for the sites previous to this one. I'm just not the guy to sit there, pinch faced and arms folded, just shitting on every single thing the team does until a Superbowl is won.
Again, gospel to whom? Narrative to whom? Tom P, posted about Darnold being a possibility and we are responding.
Gospel that this is fact. Yes, Tom P. posted its a possibility but some in the thread are like see?? We're fucked now with a guy like Darnold because KAM screwed the pooch. Do I really have to explain it, lol? Any rumor is latched onto as a way to dig.
I just reread the thread and see no on indicating this rumor as gospel or Kam screwing the pooch. What I do read is some setting up straw man arguments. Oh well, very touchy subject in vikingland.
Lots if talk the Raiders could be on the outside looking in for a quarterback in the draft (much like us) and could make a strong push for Kirk Cousins in free agency.
Going to be very interesting to see what Kirk's market actually is for a soon to be 36 year old coming off major injury. It's all going to come down to the most guaranteed money and most years, not the best situation for him as a player. I dont think that comes as a shock to anyone here. I still have to believe though the Vikings have a hard line in the sand they won't cross on an extension. Unfortunately at least a couple teams will probably cross that line, and I say let them.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
Lots if talk the Raiders could be on the outside looking in for a quarterback in the draft (much like us) and could make a strong push for Kirk Cousins in free agency.
Going to be very interesting to see what Kirk's market actually is for a soon to be 36 year old coming off major injury. It's all going to come down to the most guaranteed money and most years, not the best situation for him as a player. I dont think that comes as a shock to anyone here. I still have to believe though the Vikings have a hard line in the sand they won't cross on an extension. Unfortunately at least a couple teams will probably cross that line, and I say let them.
I still think the Vikings sign Cousins to a three year deal. Just based on the history of what they usually do in recent times.
Quote: @kmillard said:
@ supafreak84 said:
Lots if talk the Raiders could be on the outside looking in for a quarterback in the draft (much like us) and could make a strong push for Kirk Cousins in free agency.
Going to be very interesting to see what Kirk's market actually is for a soon to be 36 year old coming off major injury. It's all going to come down to the most guaranteed money and most years, not the best situation for him as a player. I dont think that comes as a shock to anyone here. I still have to believe though the Vikings have a hard line in the sand they won't cross on an extension. Unfortunately at least a couple teams will probably cross that line, and I say let them.
I still think the Vikings sign Cousins to a three year deal. Just based on the history of what they usually do in recent times.
Solid prediction. And I know you've said you'll support whatever they decide. I will to. But I'm curious. Is signing him to a three year deal what YOU would do?
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
Lots if talk the Raiders could be on the outside looking in for a quarterback in the draft (much like us) and could make a strong push for Kirk Cousins in free agency.
Going to be very interesting to see what Kirk's market actually is for a soon to be 36 year old coming off major injury. It's all going to come down to the most guaranteed money and most years, not the best situation for him as a player. I dont think that comes as a shock to anyone here. I still have to believe though the Vikings have a hard line in the sand they won't cross on an extension. Unfortunately at least a couple teams will probably cross that line, and I say let them.
Curious why people continue to believe this considering the fact that the last time he was a free agent, he took the 3rd best offer on the table because it was a better situation.
Quote: @pattersaur said:
@ kmillard said:
@ supafreak84 said:
Lots if talk the Raiders could be on the outside looking in for a quarterback in the draft (much like us) and could make a strong push for Kirk Cousins in free agency.
Going to be very interesting to see what Kirk's market actually is for a soon to be 36 year old coming off major injury. It's all going to come down to the most guaranteed money and most years, not the best situation for him as a player. I dont think that comes as a shock to anyone here. I still have to believe though the Vikings have a hard line in the sand they won't cross on an extension. Unfortunately at least a couple teams will probably cross that line, and I say let them.
I still think the Vikings sign Cousins to a three year deal. Just based on the history of what they usually do in recent times.
Solid prediction. And I know you've said you'll support whatever they decide. I will to. But I'm curious. Is signing him to a three year deal what YOU would do?
NO absolutely not. I am just saying what I think they will do.
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