Quote: @MaroonBells said:
The range at which the Vikings will make their 1st pick is huge. I don't think I've ever seen it this wide this late in the ear. Right now the Vikings sit at 15. Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard someone say they could pick as high as 5 if everything, and I mean everything, falls right. And of course 32 if they somehow make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl.
In order to pick in the top 7, some pretty unlikely things have to happen. But picking between 8-10 doesn't require nearly as much help.
I don’t want to mail it in, but we need to figure out how to lose these next 2 games.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
The range at which the Vikings will make their 1st pick is huge. I don't think I've ever seen it this wide this late in the ear. Right now the Vikings sit at 15. Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard someone say they could pick as high as 5 if everything, and I mean everything, falls right. And of course 32 if they somehow make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl.
In order to pick in the top 7, some pretty unlikely things have to happen. But picking between 8-10 doesn't require nearly as much help.
I don’t want to mail it in, but we need to figure out how to lose these next 2 games.
Bring back the Tank!!
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ pattersaur said:
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The plot thickens! Let's see if we can't get this thread to 50 pages by Draft Day lol.
I laughed at this when I saw it. But this is actually more likely than it seems on the surface.
I read somewhere that Wilson's next team will not have to pay much of anything in terms of salary and cap space. Sounds like the Broncos will be on the hook for nearly all of it. Not sure how accurate that is.
But is there a more perfect bridge QB than that? A 7X Pro Bowl QB that you don't have to pay? In a year when you're hit with $28M?
Now...I'm no big fan of Wilson's. He can be a clown and he's not as good as Kirk Cousins. But if we're unable to come to terms with Kirk, and we do draft a QB this spring, Wilson just might be a pretty good low-cost bridge to the post-Cousins, QB-on-a-rookie-deal promised land...(for those who observe). You also have to think the Vikings would be at or near the top of his list of teams.
Just take a breath before you start screaming at me.
Agreed. I think the achilles thing with Kirk is a much bigger deal than fans seem to be making it out to be. Russ for 2 years makes a lot of sense if we draft a rookie. If he plays well for a season he’s a very tradeable asset or you keep him if the rook needs more time.
Russ is the same age as Kirk. Not as good but no Achilles concern. Also likely much cheaper. He makes a lot of sense if he’s fine with a one or two year deal if Kirk is wanting more than that.
Even if Kirk is still the primary target, Wilson’s availability might help the Vikings a bit in negotiations so I see this Denver debacle as a good thing for us.
Quote: @pattersaur said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pattersaur said:
The plot thickens! Let's see if we can't get this thread to 50 pages by Draft Day lol.
I laughed at this when I saw it. But this is actually more likely than it seems on the surface.
I read somewhere that Wilson's next team will not have to pay much of anything in terms of salary and cap space. Sounds like the Broncos will be on the hook for nearly all of it. Not sure how accurate that is.
But is there a more perfect bridge QB than that? A 7X Pro Bowl QB that you don't have to pay? In a year when you're hit with $28M?
Now...I'm no big fan of Wilson's. He can be a clown and he's not as good as Kirk Cousins. But if we're unable to come to terms with Kirk, and we do draft a QB this spring, Wilson just might be a pretty good low-cost bridge to the post-Cousins, QB-on-a-rookie-deal promised land...(for those who observe). You also have to think the Vikings would be at or near the top of his list of teams.
Just take a breath before you start screaming at me.
Agreed. I think the achilles thing with Kirk is a much bigger deal than fans seem to be making it out to be. Russ for 2 years makes a lot of sense if we draft a rookie. If he plays well for a season he’s a very tradeable asset or you keep him if the rook needs more time.
Russ is the same age as Kirk. Not as good but no Achilles concern. Also likely much cheaper. He makes a lot of sense if he’s fine with a one or two year deal if Kirk is wanting more than that.
Even if Kirk is still the primary target, Wilson’s availability might help the Vikings a bit in negotiations so I see this Denver debacle as a good thing for us.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not for it and I hate agreeing with Maroon...but Wilson has put up over 3,000 yards passing and a combined 29 TD's on the season. He can still play and we all know Payton is a douche. Throw in the fact you could likely get him cheap because of the guaranteed money he's receiving from Denver, and there might not be a better bridge quarterback out there. I think KOC also loves the option of having a quarterback that can make plays with his legs so check that box for Wilson.
Would you rather have Wilson on a cheap two year deal, fully healthy, or would you rather have Cousins on an expensive, mostly guaranteed two year deal, where he would likely start the season on IR and his health becomes a question going forward?
Quote: @pattersaur said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pattersaur said:
The plot thickens! Let's see if we can't get this thread to 50 pages by Draft Day lol.
I laughed at this when I saw it. But this is actually more likely than it seems on the surface.
I read somewhere that Wilson's next team will not have to pay much of anything in terms of salary and cap space. Sounds like the Broncos will be on the hook for nearly all of it. Not sure how accurate that is.
But is there a more perfect bridge QB than that? A 7X Pro Bowl QB that you don't have to pay? In a year when you're hit with $28M?
Now...I'm no big fan of Wilson's. He can be a clown and he's not as good as Kirk Cousins. But if we're unable to come to terms with Kirk, and we do draft a QB this spring, Wilson just might be a pretty good low-cost bridge to the post-Cousins, QB-on-a-rookie-deal promised land...(for those who observe). You also have to think the Vikings would be at or near the top of his list of teams.
Just take a breath before you start screaming at me.
Agreed. I think the achilles thing with Kirk is a much bigger deal than fans seem to be making it out to be. Russ for 2 years makes a lot of sense if we draft a rookie. If he plays well for a season he’s a very tradeable asset or you keep him if the rook needs more time.
Russ is the same age as Kirk. Not as good but no Achilles concern. Also likely much cheaper. He makes a lot of sense if he’s fine with a one or two year deal if Kirk is wanting more than that.
Even if Kirk is still the primary target, Wilson’s availability might help the Vikings a bit in negotiations so I see this Denver debacle as a good thing for us.
It's good in that it gives us some flexibility...options where very few exist. I read more this morning that seemed to suggest that the fewer dollars Wilson takes from his new team, the more he sticks it to the Broncos. And it sounds like he might be in a mood to do just that.
But I also read that Payton simplified the offense to cater to Wilson's deteriorating skills, and that he was "grating" in the locker room. No big surprise there, but I have a hard time seeing KOC signing off on that.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pattersaur said:
The plot thickens! Let's see if we can't get this thread to 50 pages by Draft Day lol.
I laughed at this when I saw it. But this is actually more likely than it seems on the surface.
I read somewhere that Wilson's next team will not have to pay much of anything in terms of salary and cap space. Sounds like the Broncos will be on the hook for nearly all of it. Not sure how accurate that is.
But is there a more perfect bridge QB than that? A 7X Pro Bowl QB that you don't have to pay? In a year when you're hit with $28M?
Now...I'm no big fan of Wilson's. He can be a clown and he's not as good as Kirk Cousins. But if we're unable to come to terms with Kirk, and we do draft a QB this spring, Wilson just might be a pretty good low-cost bridge to the post-Cousins, QB-on-a-rookie-deal promised land...(for those who observe). You also have to think the Vikings would be at or near the top of his list of teams.
Just take a breath before you start screaming at me.
Agreed. I think the achilles thing with Kirk is a much bigger deal than fans seem to be making it out to be. Russ for 2 years makes a lot of sense if we draft a rookie. If he plays well for a season he’s a very tradeable asset or you keep him if the rook needs more time.
Russ is the same age as Kirk. Not as good but no Achilles concern. Also likely much cheaper. He makes a lot of sense if he’s fine with a one or two year deal if Kirk is wanting more than that.
Even if Kirk is still the primary target, Wilson’s availability might help the Vikings a bit in negotiations so I see this Denver debacle as a good thing for us.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not for it and I hate agreeing with Maroon...but Wilson has put up over 3,000 yards passing and a combined 29 TD's on the season. He can still play and we all know Payton is a douche. Throw in the fact you could likely get him cheap because of the guaranteed money he's receiving from Denver, and there might not be a better bridge quarterback out there. I think KOC also loves the option of having a quarterback that can make plays with his legs so check that box for Wilson.
Would you rather have Wilson on a cheap two year deal, fully healthy, or would you rather have Cousins on an expensive, mostly guaranteed two year deal, where he would likely start the season on IR and his health becomes a question going forward?
Cousins. How expensive is "expensive?" How guaranteed is "mostly." And why would his health become a question after recovering from the injury? No more a question than anyone else.
There's nothing to agree or disagree with because I'm not advocating for anything. I'm not saying we should or shouldn't do this. I throw the Wilson thing out there because it's one option no one is talking about. And the no-money thing might be pretty tempting for a team who has to absorb $28M dead. But I think it's a pretty severe last resort.
Ideally, the Vikings sign Cousins to a deal that has the injury discount baked in. And then we draft a QB. In terms of what we "should" do, this one is in the lead by a mile.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
The range at which the Vikings will make their 1st pick is huge. I don't think I've ever seen it this wide this late in the ear. Right now the Vikings sit at 15. Not sure if this is true or not, but I heard someone say they could pick as high as 5 if everything, and I mean everything, falls right. And of course 32 if they somehow make the playoffs and win the Super Bowl.
In order to pick in the top 7, some pretty unlikely things have to happen. But picking between 8-10 doesn't require nearly as much help.
I don’t want to mail it in, but we need to figure out how to lose these next 2 games.
Win or lose, I just want Hall to play well.
We're big fans of the Falcons, Raiders, Saints and Broncos today. If those four teams win (and the Vikings lose to Green Bay), Vikings move into top 10.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pattersaur said:
The plot thickens! Let's see if we can't get this thread to 50 pages by Draft Day lol.
I laughed at this when I saw it. But this is actually more likely than it seems on the surface.
I read somewhere that Wilson's next team will not have to pay much of anything in terms of salary and cap space. Sounds like the Broncos will be on the hook for nearly all of it. Not sure how accurate that is.
But is there a more perfect bridge QB than that? A 7X Pro Bowl QB that you don't have to pay? In a year when you're hit with $28M?
Now...I'm no big fan of Wilson's. He can be a clown and he's not as good as Kirk Cousins. But if we're unable to come to terms with Kirk, and we do draft a QB this spring, Wilson just might be a pretty good low-cost bridge to the post-Cousins, QB-on-a-rookie-deal promised land...(for those who observe). You also have to think the Vikings would be at or near the top of his list of teams.
Just take a breath before you start screaming at me.
Agreed. I think the achilles thing with Kirk is a much bigger deal than fans seem to be making it out to be. Russ for 2 years makes a lot of sense if we draft a rookie. If he plays well for a season he’s a very tradeable asset or you keep him if the rook needs more time.
Russ is the same age as Kirk. Not as good but no Achilles concern. Also likely much cheaper. He makes a lot of sense if he’s fine with a one or two year deal if Kirk is wanting more than that.
Even if Kirk is still the primary target, Wilson’s availability might help the Vikings a bit in negotiations so I see this Denver debacle as a good thing for us.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not for it and I hate agreeing with Maroon...but Wilson has put up over 3,000 yards passing and a combined 29 TD's on the season. He can still play and we all know Payton is a douche. Throw in the fact you could likely get him cheap because of the guaranteed money he's receiving from Denver, and there might not be a better bridge quarterback out there. I think KOC also loves the option of having a quarterback that can make plays with his legs so check that box for Wilson.
Would you rather have Wilson on a cheap two year deal, fully healthy, or would you rather have Cousins on an expensive, mostly guaranteed two year deal, where he would likely start the season on IR and his health becomes a question going forward?
Cousins. How expensive is "expensive?" How guaranteed is "mostly." And why would his health become a question after recovering from the injury? No more a question than anyone else.
There's nothing to agree or disagree with because I'm not advocating for anything. I'm not saying we should or shouldn't do this. I throw the Wilson thing out there because it's one option no one is talking about. And the no-money thing might be pretty tempting for a team who has to absorb $28M dead. But I think it's a pretty severe last resort.
Ideally, the Vikings sign Cousins to a deal that has the injury discount baked in. And then we draft a QB. In terms of what we "should" do, this one is in the lead by a mile.
I'm just agreeing that he could be a real option as a bridge QB if the the organization isn't comfortable with Cousins price tag or his age coming off an achillies injury because it plays into the potential for addition injury and that's not what you want with a 36 year old quarterback. It's a risk, and how much money would the organization be comfortable with investing in that risk...? None of us really know. What we do know is we wouldn't sign him to an extension prior to the season, and how does this change now with Kirk being another year older and coming off a major injury? Its going to be a very, very interesting offseason on the quarterback front
Options are good. Options are potential leverage.
Anything that looks, smells or feels like a short-term QB (if the KC thing goes south) is a good thing for the Vikings.
Anyone here on the Penix train? Or JJMc?
Going to be fun watching both tonight.
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