Quote: @Vikergirl said:
@ Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikeshrink said:
@ badgervike said:
I know the Republicans and Trump ran on repealing and replacing but the reality is that it's almost impossible to take away entitlements...particularly given the liberal bent of the MSM. How many articles have been written about loss of coverage and how many people would DIE because of the potential replacement bills. The ACA is in a death spiral with coverage options going away and costs spiraling. As that spiral continues this year, those issues will become even more profound. Some early projections for 2018 include total loss of coverage in some areas and increases in costs by 100% or more. This has been pure political theatre...any fair minded individual will tell you the ACA is a bad piece of legislation with its coverage mandates and total lack of cost reduction and options in the bill. My personal opinion is that it is a law that was always intended to fail....
Access to quality, affordable healthcare is not an
entitlement, it’s essential for human dignity and is necessary to promote the
general welfare for you, me and all of our fellow citizens.
If the ACA fails it will be due to two things (in my view). The first is because as you point out, it failed to address the cost of healthcare (which is unbelievably out of control). The second would be due to the refusal by red states to participate--a strategy, by the way that was both brilliant and corrupt on the Republican's part.
1) Refuse to participate in the design, development and rollout,
2) Bemoan it's shortcomings to your voters to undermine the credibility of the program so as to
3) Drive down consumer participation to make it insolvent.
4) Point to the outcome that you helped create as proof that it wasn't going to work anyway.
The results in the blue states make me damn grateful that my red state abstained. I feel sorry for Minnesotans and what the ACA has done to their health care costs.
As far as dignity...where's the dignity in getting unearned things off the hard work of others?
Please don't worry about us Minnesotans, I honestly wish states had more control with issues like this.
Agreed. Minnesota is doing just fine thank you very much. I have no problem contributing to others getting access to healthcare. The health of the nation is dependent on the health of the people. Some people argue that they don't like paying towards education because they don't have kids. Personally, I would rather have less stupid people around. Some people argue against social programs or the amount of defense spending. We definitely need to address the overcharging of insurance, hospitals and big pharma. Also out ranking in healthcare versus cost because as a nation we are lower than we should be.
thats funny because i spent a few days with some minnesota business people last week and they werent singing the same tune regarding health care costs in minnesota and the monsterous rate hikes your state has seen in the last couple years.
just curious, for those of you saying things are just rosy in minnesota regarding health care costs.... how much of your insurance premiums do you personally pay vs your employer/state?
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Why can’t the Senate repeal Obamacare? Because its policies are actually popular.
...90 percent of Democrats and 82 percent of Republicans supported allowing young adults to stay on their parents’ insurance until age 26; 89 percent of Democrats and 77 percent of Republicans approved the elimination of out-of-pocket expenses for many preventive services; 91 percent and 67 percent wanted subsidies for low- and middle-income Americans to purchase insurance; 90 percent of Democrats and 67 percent of Republicans support the Medicaid expansion; 75 percent and 63 percent wanted to prohibit insurance companies from denying coverage because of one’s medical history; and 82 percent of Democrats and 63 percent of Republicans support increasing the Medicare payroll tax on earnings for upper-income Americans...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/07/19/why-cant-the-senate-repeal-obamacare-because-its-actual-policies-are-popular/?utm_term=.901cb1c875d9
Most people are in favor of a lot of shit until they find out they might have to pay for it. It's all good spending if it doesn't raise my taxes.
Why are you so afraid of raised taxes? I would happily pay an additional 10 to 20% extra if I knew it would help pay for the healthcare costs of the poor. Even more if necessary. Have we stumbled upon the difference between left and right? Is this why Ghandi famously said: " I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." I think so.
This has to be one of the most sanctimonious posts I have ever seen on this site.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikergirl said:
@ Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikeshrink said:
@ badgervike said:
I know the Republicans and Trump ran on repealing and replacing but the reality is that it's almost impossible to take away entitlements...particularly given the liberal bent of the MSM. How many articles have been written about loss of coverage and how many people would DIE because of the potential replacement bills. The ACA is in a death spiral with coverage options going away and costs spiraling. As that spiral continues this year, those issues will become even more profound. Some early projections for 2018 include total loss of coverage in some areas and increases in costs by 100% or more. This has been pure political theatre...any fair minded individual will tell you the ACA is a bad piece of legislation with its coverage mandates and total lack of cost reduction and options in the bill. My personal opinion is that it is a law that was always intended to fail....
Access to quality, affordable healthcare is not an
entitlement, it’s essential for human dignity and is necessary to promote the
general welfare for you, me and all of our fellow citizens.
If the ACA fails it will be due to two things (in my view). The first is because as you point out, it failed to address the cost of healthcare (which is unbelievably out of control). The second would be due to the refusal by red states to participate--a strategy, by the way that was both brilliant and corrupt on the Republican's part.
1) Refuse to participate in the design, development and rollout,
2) Bemoan it's shortcomings to your voters to undermine the credibility of the program so as to
3) Drive down consumer participation to make it insolvent.
4) Point to the outcome that you helped create as proof that it wasn't going to work anyway.
The results in the blue states make me damn grateful that my red state abstained. I feel sorry for Minnesotans and what the ACA has done to their health care costs.
As far as dignity...where's the dignity in getting unearned things off the hard work of others?
Please don't worry about us Minnesotans, I honestly wish states had more control with issues like this.
Agreed. Minnesota is doing just fine thank you very much. I have no problem contributing to others getting access to healthcare. The health of the nation is dependent on the health of the people. Some people argue that they don't like paying towards education because they don't have kids. Personally, I would rather have less stupid people around. Some people argue against social programs or the amount of defense spending. We definitely need to address the overcharging of insurance, hospitals and big pharma. Also out ranking in healthcare versus cost because as a nation we are lower than we should be.
thats funny because i spent a few days with some minnesota business people last week and they werent singing the same tune regarding health care costs in minnesota and the monsterous rate hikes your state has seen in the last couple years.
just curious, for those of you saying things are just rosy in minnesota regarding health care costs.... how much of your insurance premiums do you personally pay vs your employer/state?
I guess it sucks to be them, but I consider My health care to be part of my salary, and my employer hasn't put the cost on me.
But again don't worry about us in Minnesota, were doing fine.
Quote: 2@Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikergirl said:
@ Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikeshrink said:
@ badgervike said:
I know the Republicans and Trump ran on repealing and replacing but the reality is that it's almost impossible to take away entitlements...particularly given the liberal bent of the MSM. How many articles have been written about loss of coverage and how many people would DIE because of the potential replacement bills. The ACA is in a death spiral with coverage options going away and costs spiraling. As that spiral continues this year, those issues will become even more profound. Some early projections for 2018 include total loss of coverage in some areas and increases in costs by 100% or more. This has been pure political theatre...any fair minded individual will tell you the ACA is a bad piece of legislation with its coverage mandates and total lack of cost reduction and options in the bill. My personal opinion is that it is a law that was always intended to fail....
Access to quality, affordable healthcare is not an
entitlement, it’s essential for human dignity and is necessary to promote the
general welfare for you, me and all of our fellow citizens.
If the ACA fails it will be due to two things (in my view). The first is because as you point out, it failed to address the cost of healthcare (which is unbelievably out of control). The second would be due to the refusal by red states to participate--a strategy, by the way that was both brilliant and corrupt on the Republican's part.
1) Refuse to participate in the design, development and rollout,
2) Bemoan it's shortcomings to your voters to undermine the credibility of the program so as to
3) Drive down consumer participation to make it insolvent.
4) Point to the outcome that you helped create as proof that it wasn't going to work anyway.
The results in the blue states make me damn grateful that my red state abstained. I feel sorry for Minnesotans and what the ACA has done to their health care costs.
As far as dignity...where's the dignity in getting unearned things off the hard work of others?
Please don't worry about us Minnesotans, I honestly wish states had more control with issues like this.
Agreed. Minnesota is doing just fine thank you very much. I have no problem contributing to others getting access to healthcare. The health of the nation is dependent on the health of the people. Some people argue that they don't like paying towards education because they don't have kids. Personally, I would rather have less stupid people around. Some people argue against social programs or the amount of defense spending. We definitely need to address the overcharging of insurance, hospitals and big pharma. Also out ranking in healthcare versus cost because as a nation we are lower than we should be.
thats funny because i spent a few days with some minnesota business people last week and they werent singing the same tune regarding health care costs in minnesota and the monsterous rate hikes your state has seen in the last couple years.
just curious, for those of you saying things are just rosy in minnesota regarding health care costs.... how much of your insurance premiums do you personally pay vs your employer/state?
I guess it sucks to be them, but I consider My health care to be part of my salary, and my employer hasn't put the cost on me.
But again don't worry about us in Minnesota, were doing fine.
So you don't pay for your healthcare out of pocket...I see.
I work in corporate healthcare, I pay into my account. This is also the first corporate job I have had with a deductible. Took a while to get used to that. So yes I pay out of pocket but my employer contributes as well. I pay into my HSA and my healthcare plan from every paycheck.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
2@ Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikergirl said:
@ Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikeshrink said:
@ badgervike said:
I know the Republicans and Trump ran on repealing and replacing but the reality is that it's almost impossible to take away entitlements...particularly given the liberal bent of the MSM. How many articles have been written about loss of coverage and how many people would DIE because of the potential replacement bills. The ACA is in a death spiral with coverage options going away and costs spiraling. As that spiral continues this year, those issues will become even more profound. Some early projections for 2018 include total loss of coverage in some areas and increases in costs by 100% or more. This has been pure political theatre...any fair minded individual will tell you the ACA is a bad piece of legislation with its coverage mandates and total lack of cost reduction and options in the bill. My personal opinion is that it is a law that was always intended to fail....
Access to quality, affordable healthcare is not an
entitlement, it’s essential for human dignity and is necessary to promote the
general welfare for you, me and all of our fellow citizens.
If the ACA fails it will be due to two things (in my view). The first is because as you point out, it failed to address the cost of healthcare (which is unbelievably out of control). The second would be due to the refusal by red states to participate--a strategy, by the way that was both brilliant and corrupt on the Republican's part.
1) Refuse to participate in the design, development and rollout,
2) Bemoan it's shortcomings to your voters to undermine the credibility of the program so as to
3) Drive down consumer participation to make it insolvent.
4) Point to the outcome that you helped create as proof that it wasn't going to work anyway.
The results in the blue states make me damn grateful that my red state abstained. I feel sorry for Minnesotans and what the ACA has done to their health care costs.
As far as dignity...where's the dignity in getting unearned things off the hard work of others?
Please don't worry about us Minnesotans, I honestly wish states had more control with issues like this.
Agreed. Minnesota is doing just fine thank you very much. I have no problem contributing to others getting access to healthcare. The health of the nation is dependent on the health of the people. Some people argue that they don't like paying towards education because they don't have kids. Personally, I would rather have less stupid people around. Some people argue against social programs or the amount of defense spending. We definitely need to address the overcharging of insurance, hospitals and big pharma. Also out ranking in healthcare versus cost because as a nation we are lower than we should be.
thats funny because i spent a few days with some minnesota business people last week and they werent singing the same tune regarding health care costs in minnesota and the monsterous rate hikes your state has seen in the last couple years.
just curious, for those of you saying things are just rosy in minnesota regarding health care costs.... how much of your insurance premiums do you personally pay vs your employer/state?
I guess it sucks to be them, but I consider My health care to be part of my salary, and my employer hasn't put the cost on me.
But again don't worry about us in Minnesota, were doing fine.
So you don't pay for your healthcare out of pocket...I see.
I also took a job for less pay because it offered health care. You see? It's part of my salary o r do you not agree.
Quote: @Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
2@ Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikergirl said:
@ Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikeshrink said:
@ badgervike said:
I know the Republicans and Trump ran on repealing and replacing but the reality is that it's almost impossible to take away entitlements...particularly given the liberal bent of the MSM. How many articles have been written about loss of coverage and how many people would DIE because of the potential replacement bills. The ACA is in a death spiral with coverage options going away and costs spiraling. As that spiral continues this year, those issues will become even more profound. Some early projections for 2018 include total loss of coverage in some areas and increases in costs by 100% or more. This has been pure political theatre...any fair minded individual will tell you the ACA is a bad piece of legislation with its coverage mandates and total lack of cost reduction and options in the bill. My personal opinion is that it is a law that was always intended to fail....
Access to quality, affordable healthcare is not an
entitlement, it’s essential for human dignity and is necessary to promote the
general welfare for you, me and all of our fellow citizens.
If the ACA fails it will be due to two things (in my view). The first is because as you point out, it failed to address the cost of healthcare (which is unbelievably out of control). The second would be due to the refusal by red states to participate--a strategy, by the way that was both brilliant and corrupt on the Republican's part.
1) Refuse to participate in the design, development and rollout,
2) Bemoan it's shortcomings to your voters to undermine the credibility of the program so as to
3) Drive down consumer participation to make it insolvent.
4) Point to the outcome that you helped create as proof that it wasn't going to work anyway.
The results in the blue states make me damn grateful that my red state abstained. I feel sorry for Minnesotans and what the ACA has done to their health care costs.
As far as dignity...where's the dignity in getting unearned things off the hard work of others?
Please don't worry about us Minnesotans, I honestly wish states had more control with issues like this.
Agreed. Minnesota is doing just fine thank you very much. I have no problem contributing to others getting access to healthcare. The health of the nation is dependent on the health of the people. Some people argue that they don't like paying towards education because they don't have kids. Personally, I would rather have less stupid people around. Some people argue against social programs or the amount of defense spending. We definitely need to address the overcharging of insurance, hospitals and big pharma. Also out ranking in healthcare versus cost because as a nation we are lower than we should be.
thats funny because i spent a few days with some minnesota business people last week and they werent singing the same tune regarding health care costs in minnesota and the monsterous rate hikes your state has seen in the last couple years.
just curious, for those of you saying things are just rosy in minnesota regarding health care costs.... how much of your insurance premiums do you personally pay vs your employer/state?
I guess it sucks to be them, but I consider My health care to be part of my salary, and my employer hasn't put the cost on me.
But again don't worry about us in Minnesota, were doing fine.
So you don't pay for your healthcare out of pocket...I see.
I also took a job for less pay because it offered health care. You see? It's part of my salary o r do you not agree.
i dont care how you want to justify it, your health care costs in minny are shitty and getting shittier under what is called the "affordable" care act. and I dont care how you look at the costs, but if you were writingt that check for the premiums you would see it, and would likely be more upset about it, but hey, you switched jobs to take a pay cut in order to get your increasing insurance costs covered... sure sounds to me like you are doing alright under obama care.
Quote: I@JimmyinSD said:
@ Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
2@ Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikergirl said:
@ Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikeshrink said:
@ badgervike said:
I know the Republicans and Trump ran on repealing and replacing but the reality is that it's almost impossible to take away entitlements...particularly given the liberal bent of the MSM. How many articles have been written about loss of coverage and how many people would DIE because of the potential replacement bills. The ACA is in a death spiral with coverage options going away and costs spiraling. As that spiral continues this year, those issues will become even more profound. Some early projections for 2018 include total loss of coverage in some areas and increases in costs by 100% or more. This has been pure political theatre...any fair minded individual will tell you the ACA is a bad piece of legislation with its coverage mandates and total lack of cost reduction and options in the bill. My personal opinion is that it is a law that was always intended to fail....
Access to quality, affordable healthcare is not an
entitlement, it’s essential for human dignity and is necessary to promote the
general welfare for you, me and all of our fellow citizens.
If the ACA fails it will be due to two things (in my view). The first is because as you point out, it failed to address the cost of healthcare (which is unbelievably out of control). The second would be due to the refusal by red states to participate--a strategy, by the way that was both brilliant and corrupt on the Republican's part.
1) Refuse to participate in the design, development and rollout,
2) Bemoan it's shortcomings to your voters to undermine the credibility of the program so as to
3) Drive down consumer participation to make it insolvent.
4) Point to the outcome that you helped create as proof that it wasn't going to work anyway.
The results in the blue states make me damn grateful that my red state abstained. I feel sorry for Minnesotans and what the ACA has done to their health care costs.
As far as dignity...where's the dignity in getting unearned things off the hard work of others?
Please don't worry about us Minnesotans, I honestly wish states had more control with issues like this.
Agreed. Minnesota is doing just fine thank you very much. I have no problem contributing to others getting access to healthcare. The health of the nation is dependent on the health of the people. Some people argue that they don't like paying towards education because they don't have kids. Personally, I would rather have less stupid people around. Some people argue against social programs or the amount of defense spending. We definitely need to address the overcharging of insurance, hospitals and big pharma. Also out ranking in healthcare versus cost because as a nation we are lower than we should be.
thats funny because i spent a few days with some minnesota business people last week and they werent singing the same tune regarding health care costs in minnesota and the monsterous rate hikes your state has seen in the last couple years.
just curious, for those of you saying things are just rosy in minnesota regarding health care costs.... how much of your insurance premiums do you personally pay vs your employer/state?
I guess it sucks to be them, but I consider My health care to be part of my salary, and my employer hasn't put the cost on me.
But again don't worry about us in Minnesota, were doing fine.
So you don't pay for your healthcare out of pocket...I see.
I also took a job for less pay because it offered health care. You see? It's part of my salary o r do you not agree.
i dont care how you want to justify it, your health care costs in minny are shitty and getting shittier under what is called the "affordable" care act. and I dont care how you look at the costs, but if you were writingt that check for the premiums you would see it, and would likely be more upset about it, but hey, you switched jobs to take a pay cut in order to get your increasing insurance costs covered... sure sounds to me like you are doing alright under obama care.
I didn't switch jobs, I just included benefits in my salary when taking a job, I have friends that get to say they make more than me but there benefits are not as good as mine and in the end I get to bank more than them.
When people start fleeing the state of Minnesota, that's when you should start worrying. But as of now this Blue state seems to be taking care of itself ok.
Quote: @Bolstad79 said:
I@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
2@ Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikergirl said:
@ Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikeshrink said:
@ badgervike said:
I know the Republicans and Trump ran on repealing and replacing but the reality is that it's almost impossible to take away entitlements...particularly given the liberal bent of the MSM. How many articles have been written about loss of coverage and how many people would DIE because of the potential replacement bills. The ACA is in a death spiral with coverage options going away and costs spiraling. As that spiral continues this year, those issues will become even more profound. Some early projections for 2018 include total loss of coverage in some areas and increases in costs by 100% or more. This has been pure political theatre...any fair minded individual will tell you the ACA is a bad piece of legislation with its coverage mandates and total lack of cost reduction and options in the bill. My personal opinion is that it is a law that was always intended to fail....
Access to quality, affordable healthcare is not an
entitlement, it’s essential for human dignity and is necessary to promote the
general welfare for you, me and all of our fellow citizens.
If the ACA fails it will be due to two things (in my view). The first is because as you point out, it failed to address the cost of healthcare (which is unbelievably out of control). The second would be due to the refusal by red states to participate--a strategy, by the way that was both brilliant and corrupt on the Republican's part.
1) Refuse to participate in the design, development and rollout,
2) Bemoan it's shortcomings to your voters to undermine the credibility of the program so as to
3) Drive down consumer participation to make it insolvent.
4) Point to the outcome that you helped create as proof that it wasn't going to work anyway.
The results in the blue states make me damn grateful that my red state abstained. I feel sorry for Minnesotans and what the ACA has done to their health care costs.
As far as dignity...where's the dignity in getting unearned things off the hard work of others?
Please don't worry about us Minnesotans, I honestly wish states had more control with issues like this.
Agreed. Minnesota is doing just fine thank you very much. I have no problem contributing to others getting access to healthcare. The health of the nation is dependent on the health of the people. Some people argue that they don't like paying towards education because they don't have kids. Personally, I would rather have less stupid people around. Some people argue against social programs or the amount of defense spending. We definitely need to address the overcharging of insurance, hospitals and big pharma. Also out ranking in healthcare versus cost because as a nation we are lower than we should be.
thats funny because i spent a few days with some minnesota business people last week and they werent singing the same tune regarding health care costs in minnesota and the monsterous rate hikes your state has seen in the last couple years.
just curious, for those of you saying things are just rosy in minnesota regarding health care costs.... how much of your insurance premiums do you personally pay vs your employer/state?
I guess it sucks to be them, but I consider My health care to be part of my salary, and my employer hasn't put the cost on me.
But again don't worry about us in Minnesota, were doing fine.
So you don't pay for your healthcare out of pocket...I see.
I also took a job for less pay because it offered health care. You see? It's part of my salary o r do you not agree.
i dont care how you want to justify it, your health care costs in minny are shitty and getting shittier under what is called the "affordable" care act. and I dont care how you look at the costs, but if you were writingt that check for the premiums you would see it, and would likely be more upset about it, but hey, you switched jobs to take a pay cut in order to get your increasing insurance costs covered... sure sounds to me like you are doing alright under obama care.
I didn't switch jobs, I just included benefits in my salary when taking a job, I have friends that get to say they make more than me but there benefits are not as good as mine and in the end I get to bank more than them.
When people start fleeing the state of Minnesota, that's when you should start worrying. But as of now this Blue state seems to be taking care of itself ok.
It wasn't to many years ago that businesses (jobs) were fleeing your state to get away from the crazy taxation. If expenses keep rising that may happen again.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Bolstad79 said:
I@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
2@ Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikergirl said:
@ Bolstad79 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Vikeshrink said:
@ badgervike said:
I know the Republicans and Trump ran on repealing and replacing but the reality is that it's almost impossible to take away entitlements...particularly given the liberal bent of the MSM. How many articles have been written about loss of coverage and how many people would DIE because of the potential replacement bills. The ACA is in a death spiral with coverage options going away and costs spiraling. As that spiral continues this year, those issues will become even more profound. Some early projections for 2018 include total loss of coverage in some areas and increases in costs by 100% or more. This has been pure political theatre...any fair minded individual will tell you the ACA is a bad piece of legislation with its coverage mandates and total lack of cost reduction and options in the bill. My personal opinion is that it is a law that was always intended to fail....
Access to quality, affordable healthcare is not an
entitlement, it’s essential for human dignity and is necessary to promote the
general welfare for you, me and all of our fellow citizens.
If the ACA fails it will be due to two things (in my view). The first is because as you point out, it failed to address the cost of healthcare (which is unbelievably out of control). The second would be due to the refusal by red states to participate--a strategy, by the way that was both brilliant and corrupt on the Republican's part.
1) Refuse to participate in the design, development and rollout,
2) Bemoan it's shortcomings to your voters to undermine the credibility of the program so as to
3) Drive down consumer participation to make it insolvent.
4) Point to the outcome that you helped create as proof that it wasn't going to work anyway.
The results in the blue states make me damn grateful that my red state abstained. I feel sorry for Minnesotans and what the ACA has done to their health care costs.
As far as dignity...where's the dignity in getting unearned things off the hard work of others?
Please don't worry about us Minnesotans, I honestly wish states had more control with issues like this.
Agreed. Minnesota is doing just fine thank you very much. I have no problem contributing to others getting access to healthcare. The health of the nation is dependent on the health of the people. Some people argue that they don't like paying towards education because they don't have kids. Personally, I would rather have less stupid people around. Some people argue against social programs or the amount of defense spending. We definitely need to address the overcharging of insurance, hospitals and big pharma. Also out ranking in healthcare versus cost because as a nation we are lower than we should be.
thats funny because i spent a few days with some minnesota business people last week and they werent singing the same tune regarding health care costs in minnesota and the monsterous rate hikes your state has seen in the last couple years.
just curious, for those of you saying things are just rosy in minnesota regarding health care costs.... how much of your insurance premiums do you personally pay vs your employer/state?
I guess it sucks to be them, but I consider My health care to be part of my salary, and my employer hasn't put the cost on me.
But again don't worry about us in Minnesota, were doing fine.
So you don't pay for your healthcare out of pocket...I see.
I also took a job for less pay because it offered health care. You see? It's part of my salary o r do you not agree.
i dont care how you want to justify it, your health care costs in minny are shitty and getting shittier under what is called the "affordable" care act. and I dont care how you look at the costs, but if you were writingt that check for the premiums you would see it, and would likely be more upset about it, but hey, you switched jobs to take a pay cut in order to get your increasing insurance costs covered... sure sounds to me like you are doing alright under obama care.
I didn't switch jobs, I just included benefits in my salary when taking a job, I have friends that get to say they make more than me but there benefits are not as good as mine and in the end I get to bank more than them.
When people start fleeing the state of Minnesota, that's when you should start worrying. But as of now this Blue state seems to be taking care of itself ok.
It wasn't to many years ago that businesses (jobs) were fleeing your state to get away from the crazy taxation. If expenses keep rising that may happen again.
And yet are state is doing really well.
https://www.forbes.com/places/mn/
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