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Until this happens, no peace
#31
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@purplefaithful said:
Massive failures in Israel on this...Credible reports say Egypt warned them days in advance. 

This is their 911.

 The real war hasn't even started yet - Gaza is about to be invaded. 
Hamas played the long game on this and Israel got complacent. Remember, the enemy is right next door. And they hate each other. And its not just Hamas, its Hezbollah as well: two organized terrorist organizations that are constantly looking for a way to kill Jews....as their families have been killed by Israelis. 

There will never be a resolution. Too many generations killed. 
The amount of “complacency” is statistically
impossible.  The government of Israel let
this happen.
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#32
Quote: @medaille said:
@StickyBun said:
@purplefaithful said:
Massive failures in Israel on this...Credible reports say Egypt warned them days in advance. 

This is their 911.

 The real war hasn't even started yet - Gaza is about to be invaded. 
Hamas played the long game on this and Israel got complacent. Remember, the enemy is right next door. And they hate each other. And its not just Hamas, its Hezbollah as well: two organized terrorist organizations that are constantly looking for a way to kill Jews....as their families have been killed by Israelis. 

There will never be a resolution. Too many generations killed. 
The amount of “complacency” is statistically
impossible.  The government of Israel let
this happen.
Sigh. Yeah, like the U.S. 'let' 9/11 happen. Let the conspiracy theorists rejoice. 

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#33
I don’t think it’s that complicated.  One group of people took the land from
another group of people.  Pushed those
people into a very small amount of land, built a fence around them, and control
all the people and things that may enter of leave their prison area,
while keeping them in poverty and encouraging the jews to “settle” what little
land they have left.  Then if the prisoners
people fight back at all, you bomb them killing innocents and children until
they remember that fighting back is a bad idea.


If you were to draw up a playbook on how to create
terrorists, what Israel has done would be the model.

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#34
am I missing something,  or why dont you ever hear about shit being stirred up by Jordan?  Gaza Strip, Syria, Lebanon, yes pretty frequently,  but whats with Jordan?  its not often you hear of issues stemming from there.  Or am I missing something?
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#35
And no matter what you think of Jon Stewart (who is Jewish), this is what happens when you question anything about what Israel has done and some of its tactics. 

https://twitter.com/Cooperstreaming/stat...4606444847
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#36
Quote: @medaille said:
I don’t think it’s that complicated.  One group of people took the land from
another group of people.  Pushed those
people into a very small amount of land, built a fence around them, and control
all the people and things that may enter of leave their prison area,
while keeping them in poverty and encouraging the jews to “settle” what little
land they have left.  Then if the prisoners
people fight back at all, you bomb them killing innocents and children until
they remember that fighting back is a bad idea.


If you were to draw up a playbook on how to create
terrorists, what Israel has done would be the model.
I'm not personally arguing any of that. I'm disagreeing with your assertion that Israel let Hamas attack purposefully so they could retaliate at full strength. Unless that's not what you are saying? That's how I read it.
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#37
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@medaille said:
I don’t think it’s that complicated.  One group of people took the land from
another group of people.  Pushed those
people into a very small amount of land, built a fence around them, and control
all the people and things that may enter of leave their prison area,
while keeping them in poverty and encouraging the jews to “settle” what little
land they have left.  Then if the prisoners
people fight back at all, you bomb them killing innocents and children until
they remember that fighting back is a bad idea.


If you were to draw up a playbook on how to create
terrorists, what Israel has done would be the model.
I'm not personally arguing any of that. I'm disagreeing with your assertion that Israel let Hamas attack purposefully so they could retaliate at full strength. Unless that's not what you are saying? That's how I read it.
They’re completely separate topics.  I don’t think it’s very contentious to say
that Israel has created an Apartheid and that the Apartheid is creating a lot
of anti-Israel sentiment and is drawing violence towards Israel.


But, yes, I’m saying that Israel intentionally let Hamas
attack it’s own people.  I’m not saying
that they let Hamas attack them so that they could commit genocide against
Palestinians, although there’s certainly enough power players advocating for
genocide (or at the very least the liberal destruction of Gaza with no regard
for innocent deaths).


We’re starting to stack up incidents where “The good guys”
have been informed of the event ahead of time, and then failed to defend
against that event with an incredible series of blunders and coincidences, and
then used that event to get the thing they wanted.  9/11 was one of those.  J6 was one of those.  This is one of those.


We now have a US congressman confirming that he was informed
that Egypt informed Israel of the possibility for the attack, and that plans
for the attack potentially go back a year.

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#38
help me out here,  where was the rest of the world,  particularly those that are supposedly US allies in the middle east,  20 years ago when Israel evicted all their citizens and  pulled their troops out of the gaza strip,  leaving it to the Palestinians?  Who turned a blind eye to a muslim terror cell moving in and taking up residency?
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#39
Quote: @medaille said:
@StickyBun said:
@medaille said:
I don’t think it’s that complicated.  One group of people took the land from
another group of people.  Pushed those
people into a very small amount of land, built a fence around them, and control
all the people and things that may enter of leave their prison area,
while keeping them in poverty and encouraging the jews to “settle” what little
land they have left.  Then if the prisoners
people fight back at all, you bomb them killing innocents and children until
they remember that fighting back is a bad idea.


If you were to draw up a playbook on how to create
terrorists, what Israel has done would be the model.
I'm not personally arguing any of that. I'm disagreeing with your assertion that Israel let Hamas attack purposefully so they could retaliate at full strength. Unless that's not what you are saying? That's how I read it.
They’re completely separate topics.  I don’t think it’s very contentious to say
that Israel has created an Apartheid and that the Apartheid is creating a lot
of anti-Israel sentiment and is drawing violence towards Israel.


But, yes, I’m saying that Israel intentionally let Hamas
attack it’s own people.  I’m not saying
that they let Hamas attack them so that they could commit genocide against
Palestinians, although there’s certainly enough power players advocating for
genocide (or at the very least the liberal destruction of Gaza with no regard
for innocent deaths).


We’re starting to stack up incidents where “The good guys”
have been informed of the event ahead of time, and then failed to defend
against that event with an incredible series of blunders and coincidences, and
then used that event to get the thing they wanted.  9/11 was one of those.  J6 was one of those.  This is one of those.


We now have a US congressman confirming that he was informed
that Egypt informed Israel of the possibility for the attack, and that plans
for the attack potentially go back a year.

This is a massive failure of Netanyahu' decision making and the IDF/Intelligence. I dont buy the conspiracy angel, but to each their own. 
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#40
one question,  why when Israel gets attacked the white house calls for a cease fire and no retaliation,  but when its the Ukraine,  he asked for billions of dollars to fund the war machine?
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